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Re: Nap Refusal - Any advice for today if poss
« Reply #75 on: January 21, 2015, 07:07:57 am »
Hi Honey,

Ah bless her, teething can make LO more clingy too, it sounds like she needs lots of cuddles right now. Can I ask did you put your hand on her when she was in the bed before she wanted to get onto your knee  ???  If not I would do that when in the chair, even with a gentle pat or rub to comfort her. I agree that keeping her in the bed is the main thing, so if she needs to see and feel your presence that's fine, it's all stages and little steps. What happened last night Hun  ???

Just quickly checking in before work this morning Hun, but I'll try and be back tonight  :) Hope you have a good day  :-*

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« Reply #76 on: January 21, 2015, 12:34:44 pm »
Hi!

Last night I tried to move into the chair after her bedtimes songs, but she wouldn't let me even start them and was more upset then yesterday, she was very teary! I tried to reassure her from the chair, cuddling her from there and telling her I was right here and she could cuddle me whenever she wanted to. She still was very upset and I sat back in the bed as she was asking me to. Thinking back, I've realised that for some reason when she gets upset it's after we have read her stories and I start to sing her bedtime songs. Not sure why but perhaps she's anticipating me to leave afterwards and begins to feel anxious, not sure.  So perhaps I should just skip that bit, the thing is sometimes she wants to sing the songs and other times she doesn't. I think I'll just ask her what she wants from now on and perhaps at this point it is not the best time to move to the chair. I have also tried starting the bedtime settling in the chair to read her books from there, but again she wants me to sit on the edge of the bed. Anyway once I had moved back to the bed I tried to sing the songs and she then got out of the bed. I could tell that this was just an impulse response and when I called her back she immediately got back in. I then just told her she needed to stay in her bed but could continue looking at her books until she was ready to sleep. I just wanted to make it really relaxed and low pressure.  She did this without even trying to engage me and when she put the books down I said, why don't you try to see if you can sleep now. She did, asked me to cover her with the duvet and went to sleep very quickly. I was really pleased!!

This was here EASY yesterday:
WU 7:10
S 10:45 -11:15
BT 7:50 (asleep by 8:05!! - wow!!)

WU: 6:30

We gave her meds before bed and she slept for 10 hr 25 mins. There seems to be a pattern of this being the longest amount of sleep she can do at the moment. Will this change or just be something which hopefully will happen once we are ready to drop the nap? She has always only ever managed an 11 hr night and this hasn't happened, unless she has been ill for perhaps nearly a year!

So basically I'm so pleased with how far we have come. She is tired in the day but is managing. I definitely think that SA is in the mix so do want to take the sleep thing really slowly and at her pace. She has really struggled with teeth in the past and SA has been in the mix then too. She has been an independent sleeper since 6 months old but when she was teething her first set of molars and canines I used the pushchair to get her to sleep for bedtime, naps and night wakes as she could not settle on me to sleep back then and refused to lay down so I could not place a hand on her for extra comfort etc. My sister and husband could put her down for naps but she was hysterical with me. All of the APOP actually went on for probably 6 months, each tooth came up very slowly, one after the other and I didn't want to put us both through the ordeal of WI/WO any more than necessary.  (Gosh, glad we are not back there, it was awful with many long night wakes)! Anyway once she had her teeth,  I settled her with WI/WO and she was back to sleeping independently within 3 days with not too much distress at all, so guess it goes to show that like you said sometimes you've just got to do what needs to be done.

I think I may try the chair again but at a different point during the routine. The thing is I have never used it before and when and have done GW in the past, I have always sat on the floor, so I am wondering if perhaps it feels too new to her. Last night I was remembering reading somewhere that some mummies tell their little ones that they are leaving the room and will be back shortly, not sure how it works, do you? I was actually thinking that perhaps this would work better but at a point when she is ready and SA is not so prominent, guessing when all her teeth have come. I know you mentioned you were cuddling your little one to sleep for about 3 months, how did you manage to resolve that?

Thanks for your help, good to know you are here!! xx
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Re: Nap Refusal - Any advice for today if poss
« Reply #77 on: January 21, 2015, 16:16:06 pm »
I then just told her she needed to stay in her bed but could continue looking at her books until she was ready to sleep. I just wanted to make it really relaxed and low pressure.  She did this without even trying to engage me and when she put the books down I said, why don't you try to see if you can sleep now. She did, asked me to cover her with the duvet and went to sleep very quickly. I was really pleased!!

I think this is great, and it's important to take her lead if you can ie: try something again if it works YK  ???

If she's not keen on the chair at the moment, don't worry about it, if you feel it's fine to sit on the bed for now, I would just do it.

Last night I was remembering reading somewhere that some mummies tell their little ones that they are leaving the room and will be back shortly, not sure how it works, do you? I was actually thinking that perhaps this would work better but at a point when she is ready and SA is not so prominent, guessing when all her teeth have come.

Yes I've done this quite often, even at the moment with DS. It's basically WI/WO with vocals ;) it may even be worth a try at the moment. You could tell her she can read her books like last night and then say "Mammy's just going to the bathroom and I'll be back" or whatever, and see what happens, just stay out 2 or 3 minutes and see her reaction, especially as you have used WI/WO successfully before.

I think you are a Mammy that reads her LO very very well, and TBH I am inclined at this point to ask you to take the reigns and go with your gut feeling, you're Mother's Instinct. I know you won't do more than you believe is necessary, but I'm sure you will give her enough so she is not upset.

Let me know how tonight goes  :-*

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Re: Nap Refusal - Any advice for today if poss
« Reply #78 on: January 23, 2015, 10:59:36 am »
Good Morning Hun,

I hope things are going well? Just checking in as I haven't heard from you in a couple of days.

I think you are a Mammy that reads her LO very very well, and TBH I am inclined at this point to ask you to take the reigns and go with your gut feeling, you're Mother's Instinct. I know you won't do more than you believe is necessary, but I'm sure you will give her enough so she is not upset.

I hope you didn't think this was me signing off ^ :(  ???

What I was trying to say perhaps badly  :-\ :-\ is that you are clearly an awesome Mammy with great instincts, and just to encourage you to trust them a bit more. Sometimes we forget to do that, and it's so important to trust yourself. I hope to hear from you soon Sweetie.x.



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« Reply #79 on: January 23, 2015, 17:32:38 pm »
Hi there!

Oh no I totally got what you were saying - that's such a nice thing to say!! 

I was crazy busy at work yesterday and then had a super early night as I had a bad headache and was really shattered.  My dd has been very clingy this morning and had people over too so just not had a minute to reply. Anyway turns out she has another tooth cutting so think this explains why she is so clingy!! Also where her last tooth is due she now has a hole in her gum and it looks like that tooth will break through soon too. So potentially that means she may have three on the move at the same time soon - yikes!! She is holding things together so well right now during the day and bedtime has greatly improved too. Yay!! Let's just hope it stays that way!!

I've continued with sitting on her bed until she is asleep. I read her books with her and tell her that she can then keep looking at them until she'd is ready to sleep, but she must stay in bed. She does this and then asks me to cover her with the duvet when she is ready and falls asleep on the bed. Think as so much is going on with teeth right now, I will keep things like this and start trying to get out of the room when it's a better time for her. I'm not sure she would respond very well right now. Think she really needs my physical presence.

What happens with leaving the room then? You leave and then go back a few mins later and then say you are leaving again. Do you just stand by the door or actually go back in the room?

Her EASY hasn't been too bad either but her nights are only around 10 hrs - 10 hrs 30 maximum. Do you think they will start to lengthen or will that only happen once she drops the nap? xx


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« Reply #80 on: January 24, 2015, 08:24:55 am »
Hi!

She went to sleep really well last night. Fell asleep at 8:30 and slept all night, but she woke at 6 am! This is really early for her! I think it is likely her teeth causing the early wake. She is tired and very grumpy. Going to give her meds to try to help. The thing is my in laws are coming today and was hoping for an 8 pm bedtime. Do you think I could try a 45 min sleep with this bedtime or is it just best to stick to the 30 min sleep with an earlier bedtime if I think she needs it?

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« Reply #81 on: January 24, 2015, 08:27:54 am »
Also meant to add that her last tooth is now cutting through the gum so we have three on the move right now - yikes!!

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« Reply #82 on: January 24, 2015, 09:39:21 am »
What happens with leaving the room then? You leave and then go back a few mins later and then say you are leaving again. Do you just stand by the door or actually go back in the room?

There's no hard and fast rules really, I tend to just pop my head in, if he is awake ask him if he is okay, then tell him what I'm going to do next and that I'll be back again.


Her EASY hasn't been too bad either but her nights are only around 10 hrs - 10 hrs 30 maximum. Do you think they will start to lengthen or will that only happen once she drops the nap? xx

Yeah, it's a killer, some LO's only clock up 9.5/10 hours total! Sam slept 11 hours absolute max, and then when he finally dropped the nap completely he went to 13.5 hour nights, had a massive catch up, reduced to 13 hour nights for quite some time. That's the good bit ;)

Do you think I could try a 45 min sleep with this bedtime or is it just best to stick to the 30 min sleep with an earlier bedtime if I think she needs it?


It's stressful when others are around, IIWM, and she isn't coping well, I would let her have that longer nap and just deal with what happens at BT. The teething will be making her extra tired, so there is a possibility that as long as you give her meds before BT she will still go over, but you don't know unless you try. Take the route of the least stress Sweetie, I would.

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« Reply #83 on: January 26, 2015, 10:08:08 am »
Hi Vicki (just noticed your name on your signature)

Hope you had a good weekend. We did but finding things hard again right now. We did manage to keep to 30 min naps and her usual bedtime, but she is beginning to become getting resistant to napping in the car. Think she is realising that we are trying yo get her to sleep and it is a struggle to get her in. She had also been taking longer to fall asleep at bedtime. Last night she didn't fall asleep until 9:30and she was awake at 6:30, so only a 9 hr night! My sister has her today and I have just told her to stick to the 30 min car nap. I'm thinking that perhaps I should try a no nap day tomorrow though. What do you think? Teeth are obviously in the mix but I'm not sure that is the root of the problem. I'm so nervous about no nap days though. How does it work? What should her day length be? Trying EBT has never worked in the past and she I can't remember the last time she even managed an 11 hr night to be honest - yikes!!

Thank you again for all your help and support, I really appreciate it!!

Hayley

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« Reply #84 on: January 26, 2015, 10:55:58 am »
Hi Hayley,

I agree it sounds like time to try a no nap day. WRT how it works, just see how she handles it and try and get her down at BT as soon as you can, even if it is super early. Remember with the 1-0 what has happened before tends to go our of the window, so she could well pull her first long night in a long time. Also if she wakes very early, then you can treat is as a NW, keep her in her bed and APOP until a reasonable wake up time. I'd include meds at that time too.

How does that sound  ???

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« Reply #85 on: January 26, 2015, 12:31:23 pm »
Hi

Thank you! I shall try a no nap day tomorrow then! If she has another short night again, is it still a good time to do it? I'm thinking the idea is she just needs a push in the right direction to help her increase her night sleep, right? And perhaps she may only start having short nights with the nap now?

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« Reply #86 on: January 26, 2015, 14:14:28 pm »
I think you might have to take it one day at a time Honey. It may be that she has a short night anyway, but crashes out unavoidably on day 2. Or she may go 2 days, but on night 2 she sleeps a good long night, you really don't know until you try. Just watch her and trust your instincts rather than having a solid plan. I wish I had a definitive answer for you, but unfortunately I never found one either.

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« Reply #87 on: January 26, 2015, 16:59:28 pm »
Ok, thanks! Will see how it goes then.

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« Reply #88 on: January 27, 2015, 14:35:39 pm »
Hi Vicki

So last night she didn't fall asleep until 9:30 which was to be expected as my sister let her have a 30 min nap in the morning. I heard her at 5 in the morning but thankfully she went straight back to sleep until 7:20. I was really pleased we had a better night with a later WU as it seems like a good place to start a no nap day.

This morning I was thinking about a 6:30 bedtime. It's 2:30 now and although she nearly fell asleep in the car earlier she is doing well so far, perhaps a little more wobbly on her feet. Is 6:30 too late to aim for, obviously I don't want it to be too early either. I will just see how she is as the afternoon progressed but just wondering if you see this post in time, if you have any thoughts?

Thanks, Hayley xx

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« Reply #89 on: January 27, 2015, 16:56:28 pm »
6.30 sounds good to me Hun, if she looks ready, go for it! Good Luck.x.