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Re: Getting very bored of NWs now.....7mo
« Reply #60 on: January 12, 2015, 20:27:20 pm »
So what is your routine looking like last couple of days?
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Re: Getting very bored of NWs now.....7mo
« Reply #61 on: January 12, 2015, 21:17:14 pm »
Thanks for being so patient with me!  Feeling a bit clueless right now...actually thinking about it we haven't had a 2h nap in the last few days, so possibly that's more of the issue  :P but fwiw:

7/1:
Up at 6.35, not entirely sure when WU was as a bit unsettled from 5.15 onwards
Nap 9-9.45
Nap 13.10-15.10
BT 18.45
Long NW 02.45-04.15 (I guess bt was too early after a good nap....)

8/1:
WU 6.35 (woke him....a short night, less than 10.5h)
Nap 9-9.45
Nap 13.10-14.25 - had to resettle at 45m & 1h
BT 18.45
Essentially STTN - brief noises but no help needed

9/1:
WU 6.25
Nap 9.10-9.50
Nap 13.15-15.00, was not happy when he woke
BT 7pm

10/1:
WU 5.15, back to sleep 6-6.30
Nap 9-9.45
Nap 13.05-14.45
BT 18.50
Brief NW 22.30

11/1:
WU 6.05
Nap 9.05-9.50
Nap 13.15-14.40
BT 18.40
Unsettled around 3.30-4ish, needed help

Then today's mess......

Looking at that it appears we got into a mess after that long NW/short night....so maybe he could manage the 4h or so last A time if he does a 2h nap, but really can't with a shorter one.  Either way does that mean cutting the morning nap shorter? 



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Re: Getting very bored of NWs now.....7mo
« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2015, 17:33:41 pm »
Was wondering how it's going? (I read about your bad night in the birth clubs). Do you think it's possible that yesterday was just a one off day, or something else like illness or teeth bothering him? With these LO, it's so hard to know.

It sounds like you want to take 15 min off your first nap and add it to your night (earlier bt)? So overall same amount of sleep.

I don't really have any advice, but wanted to add some hugs and vibes for more good nights.

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Re: Getting very bored of NWs now.....7mo
« Reply #63 on: January 14, 2015, 07:58:39 am »
Thanks hun, appreciate you thinking of us :-*. It's not brilliant to be honest, he's very very tired by bedtime, we've been trying to do around 4h A after second nap but haven't managed a 2h second nap since a week ago so I think it's just too much.  Last night he was losing it by about the 3.5h mark, we pushed on anyway and got a EW today at exactly 9.5h :(. He did resettle eventually but lost about an hour's sleep in the process. 

You ladies have been right on in the past with making me push things where needed....a week or so ago we were doing about 3h25 A after a capped 45 min nap and getting 2h.  Since then he's appeared OT overall but second nap has been 1h25-45....do you think he's UT for that nap again?  I find it hard to see past the overall tiredness to see what needs tweaking.

Oh yes and if it makes any difference to your thinking, I think his sleep cycles are 50 mins rather than 45, so a 1h40 nap is two cycles :)

Thanks in advance xxx
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Re: Getting very bored of NWs now.....7mo
« Reply #64 on: January 14, 2015, 17:07:02 pm »
Do you think he could do another 15 minutes before that morning nap? Just wondering if that would help shorten the last A time  little bit, and potentially make him more tired for that second nap? If you do it and either nap shorten then at least you'll know where you are....



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Re: Getting very bored of NWs now.....7mo
« Reply #65 on: January 14, 2015, 17:20:26 pm »
He probably could....although that would make second nap later, then I'd end up capping it shorter otherwise we're back to the UT at bedtime problem.....

What do you make of today?

WU 6.45 (12h night but with a 1h(ish) NW 4-5am so about 11h sleep)
Nap refused in cot!  In car 9.30-10am
Nap 13.15-14.55 (so 1h40 - 2 sleep cycles)
Going to aim slightly less than 4h A to bed and see what happens.....

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Re: Getting very bored of NWs now.....7mo
« Reply #66 on: January 14, 2015, 18:07:17 pm »
Go for 7pm BT Katherine, don't put him down earlier as his day started at 6:45.
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Re: Getting very bored of NWs now.....7mo
« Reply #67 on: January 14, 2015, 18:58:21 pm »
Have done, he was coping ok x

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Re: Getting very bored of NWs now.....7mo
« Reply #68 on: January 14, 2015, 19:42:22 pm »
Oh yes, I was thinking that if he was struggling with a 4hr last A then you could shift everything later and shorten it, but I forgot you'd recently extended it to try and sort the nws.

If he's refusing that first nap it sounds like he could do with a bit more A time then anyway though? Depending on how tonight goes, do you think you could try something similar tomorrow to how today went, but maybe with a shorter first A cos hopefully you wouldn't have nap refusals to deal with....  Maybe something like :

WU: 6.30
A: 3hr 15
S: 9.45 - 10.15 capped
A: 3hr 15
S: 1.30 - 3.10 most likely
A: 3hrs 50 - 4
S: 7ish

Do you think something like that would work? Or maybe reserve judgement til you've seen how tonight goes, lol!



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Re: Getting very bored of NWs now.....7mo
« Reply #69 on: January 14, 2015, 19:51:38 pm »
Thanks hun yes I think the 30 minute am nap is probably what I need to be brave enough to do.  Ugh, the thought of capping to that length at this age scares me!  Have been avoiding it for probably too long....we'll see how tonight goes and maybe give it a whirl :)

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Re: Getting very bored of NWs now.....7mo
« Reply #70 on: January 14, 2015, 20:51:31 pm »
Katherine I capped at 30min at 4,5mo if that helps:). And around 6mo I had to cap till 20min.
And than I have no experience with this routine as F went to nursery and everything just went nuts:))).
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Re: Getting very bored of NWs now.....7mo
« Reply #71 on: January 14, 2015, 22:05:17 pm »
Yeah, we were capping the morning nap at 30 minutes at 7 months, and Jack had his first one nap day at 8 months.... just so you know what might be coming.... ;)



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Re: Getting very bored of NWs now.....7mo
« Reply #72 on: January 15, 2015, 14:25:28 pm »
We are definitely OT now :(. 7pm BT, lots of cry-outs overnight and awake just after 5.30am.  Back to sleep 6.15am after a feed and I woke him at 6.45am.  He's only getting around 13h15 total sleep right now, whereas I would have said 14h is usual/what he needs.  I have capped to the morning nap to 30 mins today just to see and he's currently 1h15 into his pm nap.  If it's anything less than 2h I'm going to do a shorter A to bed, I know that might mean a short day but he's got to catch up somewhere?

Two questions:
 - could this all be related to WW/crawling?
 - is it possible that all his long afternoon naps are OT and he's just crashing through sleep cycles each time?

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Re: Getting very bored of NWs now.....7mo
« Reply #73 on: January 15, 2015, 16:44:05 pm »
Katherine,
Firstly I strongly agree that this OT is because of WW/crawling so it's probably just a phase and he will go out of it on a sunny side, with longer A probably. Maybe his short pm naps OT him a bit, but he already had a CU nap/day/nights so he should be back to normal. If he is not,  probably some WW craziness is going on!

I think that you will have to work slightly on DS routine as noy only nights were bad, but also your routine with 2h nap stopped working because of UT I guess as second nap started to be shorter and shorter. But thanks to that you knew that less day sleep will mean better nights - but you have to find right balance. In my opinion you should look for more than 15min cut in total day sleep if you want to get 12h nights as 15min cut will solve the N2 being too short but not change much his daytime sleep. You know that he sleeps nice at night after 1:15+0:45 = 2h and not sleeping well on 2:45 - so your great solution is somewhere in between.

So my ideas:
1. You may consider capping N1 to 30min (putting him down 15-30min later if you want). However I wouldn't bring N2 earlier as this way you just neglect the effect you want to achieve with cutting first nap. However I fear it maybe not enough so either hope for 1:45 not 2h on second nap or make your day 12h+ with this solution.
6:30
9:00 30min
13:00-14:45  1,45h
18:30 BT 3:45h
2. You may consider keeping 45min in the morning but push it a touch later and than work on good A to have 1,5h second nap. This gives you 2:15 total day sleep. Of course I would say that A after that shouldn't be 4-4,5h as this can be too much but still you have to aim for at least 12h day. Sample routine as showed below.
6:30 WU
9:30-10:15 after 3h
13:15-14:45 after 3h
18:30 BT (3:45)
3. You may go for long am-short pm nap solution - but here you know that's not the best for you... so :).

WDYT?
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Re: Getting very bored of NWs now.....7mo
« Reply #74 on: January 16, 2015, 13:09:55 pm »
Marta you are a star, thank you.  Really appreciate your perspective :) We essentially did your first suggestion yesterday, still had some OT cry-outs overnight but around an 11h15-20 night.

I'm trying out the 30 minute am nap for a bit.....though DS seems to have a bit of a fever today and is super grumpy tired despite a reasonable night.  I'll go with it a few more days and then come back if no joy.  Though think we may just need to follow cues for a day or two after the disaster of today - he's a wreck poor poppet :(  Actually I'd be better to start a new post in a while wouldn't I?  Just aware this is getting long and not wanting to burden you with it.  Thanks for all your help and suggestions hun xx
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