Author Topic: Help - Think we have hit 1-0 hard! (Read 4405 times)

Eva's Mummy · « **on:** January 09, 2015, 18:25:53 pm »

DD1 has always been a great sleeper. Just last week or a wee bit longer I cut her nap from 12:30 - 14:30/15:00 an BT 7 to nap 13 - 14:30 so get a later WU. This had been creeping forward from 7/7:10 to 6ish so this worked. Now she went back to the CM's on Wed and they now have a nursery drop off in the pm so they walk to the nursery and drop off at 1 then walk back so she gets a nap around 13:30 and only been sleeping for around 30/40mins so today she was home and I thought she would get a better nap as WU has been creeping earlier again which I thought was OT but she would not nap at all today. After a 6:20 WU she is still awake now refusing to go to bed.

**After lots of crying, asking me to come back for a pee, cuddle me mummy and eventually me lying on the floor next to her holding her hand she fell asleep at 7:40

I just know that will be an EW tomorrow. If it is what do I do about naps and BT?

Naps the last week have gone from quietly going to sleep to moaning for 10mins before falling asleep then today and BT I have needed to resettle a few times straight after BT as she has been crying for me so that has been taking about 30mins.

Surely she cant have gone from a 2.5 hr nap 2 weeks ago to dropping it now and how do I handle this I don't have a clue, was not expecting it at all.

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #1 on:** January 10, 2015, 21:19:01 pm »

So she slept until 7:40

I had her jumping on the bed for ages then we went out to the shops then home for her nap and after a bit of cajoling she went to sleep at 13:15 - 14:45

BT however was terrible we tried at 19:15 and she just kept shouting mummy, mummy, mummy. I didn't go in until she started crying (DD2 has also been up and down like a yoyo at BT so I was in with her a lot). Anyway I ended up lying on the floor next to the bed holding her hand again then when I got up she called back for me to hold her hand again. I told her mummy was going to bed night night and she went to sleep. Must have been around 19:55

Not sure what I should be doing with either naps or BT at the moment.

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 11, 2015, 08:41:43 am »

Hugs hun my DS started refusing naps in bed around that age and now only has a nap in the car/buggy if were out or will sometimes rest and nod off on the sofa if we are at home. I totally didn't expect it we went from 1.5 capped nap to refusal but then wanting a nap at 4pm which I didn't want as would be up till 10pm.

12 hour night is great though for us with 1-0 nights have got much shorter. If you think it's the 1-0 have a read of this link it's great The 1-0 transition...Advice and Tips to help you through.

Could she just be feeling a bit off colour as that affects my DS say if a cold is on it's way!? Or has language exploded as we have a total chatterbox now like non stop and proper understanding of things, imagination is is through the roof and the last 3 months have been weird sleep and behaviour all I'm sure related to brain activity. xx

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #3 on:** January 12, 2015, 11:53:14 am »

She had a language explosion at 2 and I would say another 1 now and her understanding in so much better. Usually she tells me she is going to the CM but today she said she is going to see Barbara (CM) to play with Millie and Quinn then she will come back to see me and her wee sister then daddy will come home and take her to Auntie Ellen's

She is such a chatterbox now. We managed to get another nap yesterday. It is so hard when I hear her shouting on me but I didn't go in as she was just shouting and not crying and she nodded off within 10mins.

BT is horrible though, don't know if I'm creating a rod for my own back as we do everything the same then she shouts on me to come back and lie down next to her and rub her back (as that's what I did the last time). So I let her shout but eventually that escalates into crying so I do go in and lie down on the floor for a little while holding her hand then I tell her mummy needs to go to bed too and I get up and leave. Sometimes this works sometimes only for 5 mins then she is crying again. Unfortunately DD2 is terrible and going to bed as well at the moment so I'm literally going from 1 room to the next. Its driving me potty.

Do you think I should just ride it out or try a new tactic?

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 12, 2015, 13:28:06 pm »

Ha ha thats so funny, they are cute little beings.

We are having lots of calling back for reassurance at BT, could you perhaps try saying I'll be back in 2 mins to check on you, or maybe say you will sit outside the door for a few mins so she can keep checking you are there?
Not sure thats possible with 2 Lo's x

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #5 on:** January 12, 2015, 14:39:11 pm »

They certainly know how to play the cute card don't they.

I can try that tonight assuming DD2 goes down ok.

Today at the CM's she nodded off at 14:20 but they had to leave for the school pick up at 14:30 so only a 10mins nap. What would you do with BT. She surprisingly woke at 7:10 this morning.

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 12, 2015, 18:39:34 pm »

I'm not sure if it's too late but I'd prob try 6.30/7pm if you can....x

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #7 on:** January 12, 2015, 20:43:31 pm »

Her behaviour was getting really bad by 5:20 but I tried 6:30 and OMG she cried and cried every time I left the room, when i went in it was rub my back, hold me hand. When i told her mummy needs to go to sleep too she said sleep on my floor. She was so upset tonight and eventually went to sleep at 8:20!!!!!

Thankfully DH was home and DD2 was up and down too. I don't think she can cope with no nap yet.

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 12, 2015, 21:07:23 pm »

Oh bless her and you, fingers crossed for a good night and see what WU you get! If it's any consolation BT here has been a nightmare x

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #9 on:** January 12, 2015, 21:16:05 pm »

She used to do great with EBT if early enough. But dh doesn't get home until 6 now (used to be 4; 30) and she won't entertsin going to bed without seeing him and also dd2 would still be up so I can't leave her that long especially if it goes pearshaped like tonight.

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 13, 2015, 07:57:24 am »

Maybe try it on the weekends when DH about? How was your night?x

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #11 on:** January 13, 2015, 08:58:03 am »

It was good, she woke at 7:20 but she still tells me she is tired so hopefully she will nap today. She is home with me today.

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #12 on:** January 13, 2015, 13:02:09 pm »

This is hell. I nap today she told me she wanted her nap, so I took her up did her nap routine then as soon as I went to put her down in began. I pee in toilet, my cough mummy, rub my back, I lie on sofa, cuddle me.

I told her it was snooze time then left. DD2 woke up so I was sorting her and a I could hear DD1 shouting on me, she wasn't crying just shouting but I didn't go it and she went quiet after 10 mins and is now asleep.

I don't know what to do, I don't like leaving her shouting (even though she is not crying) but when I do engage her and go back or repeat though the door its sleepy time it seems to make her worse as she knows I am there like last night. I really don't know if I am doing the right thing or not. I would never ever leave her crying but is shouting ok to just ignore id my attention makes her worse?

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #13 on:** January 13, 2015, 18:34:16 pm »

It's almost that time and I'm dreading it. She even told me today she was going to cry at bedtkme! Only napped 30 mins and the bad behaviour has started.bi just don't want to be stuck up there for 2 hours again.

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 13, 2015, 19:06:45 pm »

Sorry hun got caught up at work!
We have so many excuses at bedtime too, if she is shouting ie she is mad then I would leave her but like u say if crying go back. I'd tell her that you'll be back in 5 mins and see what happens.
Keep strong hun don't let it worry you or it will rub off on her.
Would she look at a book alone in bed if you said you'd be back to check in her?x

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #15 on:** January 13, 2015, 19:35:42 pm »

Sitting between the 2 doors dd1 & dd2 just now. Her room is pitch black at bt I think having a light on would make her think she doesn't need to sleep. Might work at nap time though to try to get her to take quiet time.

I'll be back with an update soon, it seems to be going well tonight ( well apart from the ot baby). But Eva is doing well

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 13, 2015, 20:45:23 pm »

We've recently had to have hallway light on so there is light in the room and it was previously black. I've just had BT from hell so hope yours is going good!?x

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #17 on:** January 13, 2015, 20:58:36 pm »

Mine was great. I started telling her this afternoon what was going to happen. So stories, cuddles then into bed. I told her I would set my alarm for 5 mins and for those 5 mins I would stay with her and rub her back and when the alarm goes off it was time for mummy to leave and she was to go to sleep.

So we did this and I said goodnight, she asked me to stay and I told her I was going to check on Ella but I would come back I to check on her. She said ok but come back mummy.

So that's what I did, I came back in a few mins and said I was in to check on her. Then I said I had to go and switch a light off but I would come back in to check on her again, so she said ok and I never heard a peep from her since.

I think she needed to know I would come back like I said, instead of just telling her I was going and that was that. I was so happy.

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 13, 2015, 21:07:44 pm »

Fantastic I love a good update, well done you and hope she sleeps well...sounds like you did a great job x

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #19 on:** January 13, 2015, 21:37:09 pm »

Thanks honey let's just hope it works again tomorrow night. Don't think it will work for naps though. Why was your bt so bad

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 14, 2015, 08:10:34 am »

I've kind of given up on the naps now and just go for a walk.
My DS has a cold and having a clingy phase plus the great OT I think so he's finding bit hard to settle....lots of sitting in the doorway last night

x

michaeljacknnugg · « **Reply #21 on:** January 14, 2015, 10:37:58 am »

Hi Gail, I wonder if you need to abandon the nap in her bedroom? My Spirited one totally refused to nap from 2-2.5 (totally dropped by 2.5) but would fall asleep on the sofa with cuddles and a DVD on. Not ideal I know, but it was the only way to get him to stop!

So we would have lunch, stick a DVD on, get a cup of tea and just cuddle. Actually we still do on a lot of Saturdays after a busy week and a morning at swimming. If he slept, all good, if not he had at least had a rest.

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #22 on:** January 14, 2015, 11:03:22 am »

I think you might be right as trying to get her to nap is getting quite stressful for me and her. The only issue is if she lies on the sofa and DD2 is awake she just wants her to lie back with her or if I am playing with DD2 she gets up as she wants to play with her. If DD2 was sleeping it might be easier.

I'm still so chuffed about last night I was dreading it. I had been reading through all the other posts (seems to be a lot of 2.5 year old BT antics) and I don't know who it was that suggested saying to LO they were away to do something then go back and keep doing it till they were asleep but i'm stunned it worked.

I have her home on Friday so we will try a sofa nap then. Maybe I will just forget about a certain time and just do it after I put DD2 down for her nap and hope they both have a decent sleep.

michaeljacknnugg · « **Reply #23 on:** January 14, 2015, 11:24:52 am »

Yes, that might work!

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 14, 2015, 13:45:00 pm »

Definately not worth the stress, We often have a cuddle and tv programme and like MJ&N says at least its a rest if not a sleep.

We have started to forget about the time more and just go with the flow, certainly helps if you have another LO. x

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #25 on:** January 14, 2015, 14:00:46 pm »

Seems like she is sleeping well on the sofa at the CM's today so hopefully a good night for her. Sorry you had a tough night Zoe. SO any idea how long it takes from the beginning of nap dropping until it all settles down and they can handle no naps full time?

Also please tell me once the nap is dropped that is most of the sleeping issue over, I'm hoping that by the time DD2 get to 2.5 DD1 will just be a wee kiss and tuck in bed and that's it

michaeljacknnugg · « **Reply #26 on:** January 14, 2015, 14:02:20 pm »

Yeah, it's a lot easier once the nap is fully gone. It took about 6 months for us, but then DS was a lot younger (and we were in the throes of PT, moving to BBB also).

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #27 on:** January 14, 2015, 14:03:52 pm »

We just started PT's at the end of Dec but she seems to be there. Oh I hope it not 6 months, I might have a breakdown before then

jessmum46 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 14, 2015, 14:24:51 pm »

Gail just a thought of something that worked for us when we had a lot of nap refusals. I stopped telling J it was nap time and just said we were going for quiet time in her room. I made her a special bag of quiet toys (and really bigged it up lol!) and let her have those to play with on her bed. She was very excited about them and it kind of took away the pressure to nap. I dimmed the lights/drew curtains but not really dark and said I would be back when quiet time was finished. Gave her 45 mins to begin with (had to pop in once or twice until she got used to it) and worked up to an hour or more. Sometimes I found she did fall asleep if she needed it, but if not at least both of us had a break

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #29 on:** January 14, 2015, 15:57:36 pm »

Thanks Katherine, So what would you class as quiet toys?

jessmum46 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 14, 2015, 16:01:48 pm »

I had a whole list somewhere....but from memory we had stickers and paper, Aquadoodle pictures, lacing cards, couple of books, magnetic drawing board, set of Russian dolls, some number cards, colouring book and crayons.....I put 3-4 things in the bag and tried to vary it each day x

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 14, 2015, 16:24:30 pm »

That's a lovely idea Katherine

. Hope your night goes well after the sofa nap at CM x

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #32 on:** January 17, 2015, 17:11:37 pm »

Typical, we wen to softplay this morning then nap at 1:30 she went down no bother and woke just before 3. Then she was inconsolable, crying her eyes out. I don't know what to do for the best now.

jessmum46 · « **Reply #33 on:** January 17, 2015, 18:54:44 pm »

We'd have done usual BT on days like that, 7pm for us x

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #34 on:** January 19, 2015, 13:54:33 pm »

We did 7 and she was fine. Funnily enough the last couple of nights once she has been tucked in she has been saying "mummy monkey's no get me" so I wonder if she is having bad dreams?

jessmum46 · « **Reply #35 on:** January 20, 2015, 19:06:25 pm »

Could be, I remember something about dragons at that age with J x

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #36 on:** January 25, 2015, 14:01:07 pm »

Not sure if I have been wrong all along.

Friday
WU 6:10
Nap 13:25 - 15:25 I had to wake, I was going to wake her but thought she might need it as she usually wakes herself
BT 19:30

WU 7:20 (been nearer 6 lately)
Nap 13:25 - 15:25 Again I had to wake her
BT 19:20

WU 8:45 (I was asleep and almost fainted when I saw the time, I went and woke her)
Nap Thought she wouldn't take 1 today but I was going to try at 14:00, 13:30 she told me it was her nap time and off she went. Not sure how long she will sleep for.

So my question is, do you think I have pushed too hard. She used to nap at 12:30 - 14:30 then I pushed to 13:00 only for like a day or 2, but she was refusing so I jumped to 13:30 hoping she would be more tired. But now we have a new way of putting her to sleep a nap and BT she is not resisting. So maybe it was more developmental than needing a big push. Also at the CM's they do a nursery drop at 1, so can only nap when they get home around 13:30 but they need to be out again at 14:30 so by the time she nods off its more like 13:50 - 14:30 3 days a week. So could she be catching up at home.

Don't get me wrong I am loving the lie in and long nap but in all reality do you think I need to make some changed again?

jessmum46 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 25, 2015, 14:04:17 pm »

Any chance she could be ill hun? That's a lot of sleep all of a sudden....but as you say it could also just be catch-up. If you and she are happy with things then maybe leave it be.

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #38 on:** January 25, 2015, 14:10:28 pm »

That was my first though but she seems fine, eating well and full of beans. (but you never know, something could be lurking). So you don't think its making her too OT, or its ok as she is catching up on the days she is home?

jessmum46 · « **Reply #39 on:** January 25, 2015, 14:14:26 pm »

We always had longer sleep at home to catch up from nursery....until we dropped the nap

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #40 on:** January 25, 2015, 14:17:15 pm »

Ok, we will stick with what we are doing. Thanks again honey x

Eva's Mummy · « **Reply #41 on:** January 25, 2015, 19:42:54 pm »

I'm worrying now. She napped another 2 hrs then asked for bed at 7. Asleep for 7:20

She bumped her head at the CM's on Thursday its a huge lump do you think it could have anything to do with that. She does seem otherwise fine though.

jessmum46 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 26, 2015, 09:14:41 am »

Oh dear sorry about the head bump. It's probably co-incidence unless it's a truly massive bump but if you're worried, why not get her checked over for peace of mind? I'd have thought if that was it she'd be showing other symptoms other than sleepiness but perhaps a check-up would tell you if anything else going on eg ears/throat?

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