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how to do pat/shh correctly?
« on: February 20, 2015, 16:14:51 pm »
Reading the forum I appear to be doing shh/pat incorrectly. I hold my LO until he falls asleep. At night he seems to mostly be able to self soothe. Of course it's hit or miss. Same with the naps.  It seems odd/awkward to do shh/pat in their bed considering back sleep. And talk about breaking your back to do it in their bed!?
Also I feel like I am going to end up with a light sleeper. Turning off lights and shutting everything down for naps. I would guess if all were having this problem we wouldn't hear so many people being into BW? What am I doing wrong/different other than holding baby to deep sleep? Sounds like some people leave LO in bed when they cry? I can't do that. To me that's CIO even if I'm next to him. I've will now lay him down once he's calm and relaxed and keep my hands on him, but if he cries I plan on PU and soothe. I know it says PU/PD is for older babies, and admittedly not reading the books, I understand it is due to energy they burn. But seems as though laying in bed crying would burn as much if not more and give my LO more gas if he is crying longer.
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Re: how to do pat/shh correctly?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2015, 00:20:35 am »
Reading the forum I appear to be doing shh/pat incorrectly. I hold my LO until he falls asleep. At night he seems to mostly be able to self soothe. Of course it's hit or miss. Same with the naps.  It seems odd/awkward to do shh/pat in their bed considering back sleep. And talk about breaking your back to do it in their bed!?
At 5 weeks, I would definitely do shh/pat in your arms to settle him and then lay him down. He can be all the way asleep, partly asleep, or just drowsy (depending on his temperament and your call). Gradually, as he gets older, you will just do the 4Ss til he's calm and then put him down, going back to shh/pat him in the crib if needed. To shh/pat in the crib, are you able to raise the mattress at all? That's where we always started and it wasn't hard for me to bend over just a bit to shh/pat. I always laid them down on their back and when I needed to shh/pat, I rolled them to their side a bit, holding across their chest with one arm, shhing near their face and patting their back. It really is amazing how well it works. Of course, some babies don't care for it, so you can stroke their forehead, rub their hip, whatever helps them to calm.

Also I feel like I am going to end up with a light sleeper. Turning off lights and shutting everything down for naps. I would guess if all were having this problem we wouldn't hear so many people being into BW?
Again, this is your call. I have read other places where people put LO down in various rooms and environments so he gets used to sleeping with other stuff going on. I think Tracy called for what she did out of respect for the baby. We wouldn't expect a toddler or adult to get restorative sleep in the middle of a noisy room, so I don't know why we expect babies to do the same. I do think there's something to be said for teaching a baby to sleep while out and about and helping them be a little flexible, but honestly a lot of that boils down to personality as well. I have one LO who would happily nap in the Ergo carrier anywhere we went, one who wouldn't sleep for anything while out but happily slept in the car on the way there and back, and one who is a bit of a combination. It's just the way they're wired. At home, they all sleep with the shades drawn and a fan on in their rooms.

What am I doing wrong/different other than holding baby to deep sleep? Sounds like some people leave LO in bed when they cry? I can't do that. To me that's CIO even if I'm next to him. 
You're not doing anything wrong. It's rare to be able to put such a tiny baby down and shh/pat them to sleep. Some people do do shh/pat in the crib while baby is crying (an older baby will do that), but it's not CIO. CIO is leaving a baby to cry without you being there. It causes undue stress on a LO, while if you're there with him, he is reassured by your presence and is not under stress, just communicating that he needs help.

I've will now lay him down once he's calm and relaxed and keep my hands on him, but if he cries I plan on PU and soothe. I know it says PU/PD is for older babies, and admittedly not reading the books, I understand it is due to energy they burn. But seems as though laying in bed crying would burn as much if not more and give my LO more gas if he is crying longer.
Actually, you are doing shh/pat by picking him up and calming him. Have you read the shh/pat link? Shush-pat - How to It IS basically a very modified form of PUPD. However, in PUPD, you don't necessarily wait for baby to calm in your arms and then keep him that way. You put him down sometimes when he hasn't calmed and it is a more stimulating experience.

I highly suggest you read Tracy's books. They are extremely well-written, very insightful, and the best books I can recommend. Continue reading the FAQs on the site as well, but the real philosophy comes from Tracy herself. :)



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Re: how to do pat/shh correctly?
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2015, 01:02:25 am »
He is still sleeping next to us, not in his crib yet. It is raised as high as it can go. It may not be all that bad, especially as he gets more used to self soothing and hopefully continues to do so as he gets older. So far the shh/pat and sitting has been going pretty great for us. The past couple days have been pretty great. No jinx, fingers crossed. Last night we had 4.5 hours sleep and 3 hours with about 1.5 hour wake in-between. The DF is going okay. I can't seem to keep him asleep. If I change him or burp him he throws a fit and then it's just resettling him, but he is doing so well as opposed to when we first started or definitely PRIOR, where he was up for 5/6 hours.

I have been able to work on a couple times in the evening getting him to sleep in the living room with a little noise and I am not tip toeing anymore! Success! I am kind of in love with this method. I have a hard time sleeping with sound and light myself, so Tracy's thoughts do make sense. I also am a horrible napper, my mom claims I never slept as a baby, so hopefully I can get our LO to learn to love sleep and have healthy sleep life long!

Finally, I did order The Baby Whisperer solves all your problems and expecting to come in tomorrow. We were loaned a video and watched it. Tracy was an amazing woman, I am sorry to know that she has past away. But it is wonderful that she left her "secrets" for all us future parents. Thanks again Katie for all the encouragement and patience with all my questions.  ;D

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Re: how to do pat/shh correctly?
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2015, 00:11:05 am »
You'll love the book!! Mine is tattered. ;D Sounds like you're definitely making good progress!

The DF is going okay. I can't seem to keep him asleep. If I change him or burp him he throws a fit and then it's just resettling him, but he is doing so well as opposed to when we first started or definitely PRIOR, where he was up for 5/6 hours.
It might be worth it to try it at a slightly different time. Maybe you're catching him in a light part of sleep. :-\ It's worth it to note, however, that the DF doesn't work for all LOs, so if it continues to be a struggle, you may just want to scrap it and go to sleep a little earlier yourself. :)



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Re: how to do pat/shh correctly?
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2015, 14:25:17 pm »
If I change him or burp him he throws a fit and then it's just resettling him, but he is doing so well as opposed to when we first started or definitely PRIOR, where he was up for 5/6 hours.
I generally avoided changing or burping if possible at DF.    And they don't always stay asleep but generally do nod off during the feed, so maybe if you need a nappy change, do it before the feed? Make life easy for yourself ;)

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