I'm unsure can someone take a look?

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I might be too late for tomorrows Wu and E but perhaps you can do it the next night if I'm too late...
Just that I would suggest doing that first WU feed in dim light with no stimulation if you think the first nap is a tack on of the night sleep. If you treat as a NW and put them straight back down they might clue into the idea more quickly.

Hope you have a decent rest yourself honey x

[Buttonbobs]

This is a good idea

[babyrose]

Thanks creations, this is what I done with Leo yesterday morning. I've noticed over the last few nights that they both seem to be crying for their dummy starting around 12, not even awake just unsettled. They used sleep straight through 7/7:30 til 3/4 is that a sign of OT?

[babyrose]

Morning, this is yesterday's EAS

Leo

6:30 feed 7oz (back to sleep)
7:45 wu
09:00 sleep 1.5 (I woke him as he was due a feed)
10:40 feed (4)
11:55 sleep 2.5
14:40 feed (4)
15:45 sleep 1hr 45 (very unsettled dummy kept falling out)
18:30 feed (7)
 Bed 18:40 but very very unsettled  crying etc had to settle him in the cot and would have got them both to bed sooner if my sister wasn't in.

Nw's  had to re plug dummy a few times after 12.   &3:15 (4oz)

Lewis
07:30 wu & feed (7)
08:45 sleep 1.45
11:05 feed (5)
12:15 sleep (2hrs 15)
15:10 feed (7)
15:45 sleep Leo woke Lewis
19:00 eat (4)
19:15 sleep
Nw's had to replug dummy after 12 a few times. 3:30 (5oz)

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09:00 sleep 1.5 (I woke him as he was due a feed)
10:40 feed (4)
11:55 sleep 2.5
14:40 feed (4)
15:45 sleep 1hr 45 (very unsettled dummy kept falling out)

OK, do bare in mind I am not there and not seeing their cues. Just from times it looks like there is a slightly longer A before this really long nap. Then the A that follows the long nap is shorter and leads to a restless nap (from memory this was also similar on a previous EASY you posted but I admit I did not look back to double check).  It could be that the long nap and the slightly shorter A time following it are just not enough for the next nap to be a relaxing sleep, instead he is unsettled.
I also wonder if the unsettled at midnight could be a little bit of UT because they are getting a good amount of day sleep.
What do you think?
I would be tempted to try either capping the nap at 2hrs to allow for a longer A to follow or if you do not like to cap then to stretch the A another 10 or 15 mins if he seems he could do that with some delaying tactics.

If Leo continues to wake at 6 something for a feed how about treat as NF as you did, straight back to sleep, and then on WU give a top up feed to let him know in the morning (7.30/7.45) there is milk available and also so he can take a 2hr nap if needed/wanted in the morning before his next feed is due? What do you think?

[babyrose]

I'm still trying to figure them out at the moment as its been such a long time since they have been home and grown so much, I do think they are high sleep needs not sure if its a catch up thing or not.

When they have a short sleep say under 2hrs they both get very restless and if I'm feeding/changing one then the other one gets restless and falls asleep in the bouncer before bed or a nap.


Also I think I need to set a time for a set wu eg 07:30 so I can get Leo a feed as you say if he does wu at 6 so its not such an early rise (for us all) its also a better time as I can get ayden up and have b/fast etc

So let's say we have that routine like

7:15 wu and feed
09:30 sleep 2hrs
11:15 feed
12:45/13:00 sleep 2hrs
15:15 feed
16:15 sleep 1.5
19:00 Feed
19:15 bed

What do u's think?

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Think you made a typo there, the first A is showing as 2hr 15
Did you mean something roughly like this:

WU 7.15/7.30
E
A 1hr 15/30
S 9.00 - 11
E 11.30
A 1hr 15/30
S 12.30 - 2.30
E 3.30
A 1hr 15/30
S 4.00 - 6.00
E
BT 7.15

[babyrose]

Oh yes definetly a typo!

Yes that looks good, I wasn't quite sure about the last nap and b/time when I posted earlier. Hopefully things will settle down a bit and we can work on things a bit more.

Today's has been a complete disaster. Tuesday's is ayden's football day so we leave home at 10, that's when Lewis and Leo were sleeping and they were both due a feed 11/11:30 and df works nights so with him also sleeping or trying to sleep their sleep went on a bit longer than planned (4hrs but very unsettled he had to keep settling them and obviously didn't realise what was going on with how long they had slept. The nap after that was short because of that long sleep and so when I went to settle them they were both wide awake and I ended up getting them up and 30 mins after they were up they both wanted back to sleep. Complete disaster of a day!

[Buttonbobs]

Sorry to hear it's not been a perfect day lovely, tomorrow is another day. (((Hugs)))

Let us know how the night goes xxx

[babyrose]

I'm sure their will be plenty more days like that to come Not sure what the night will bring but I hope it's good!


Thanks xx

[Buttonbobs]

Hope the night as ok for you xx

[babyrose]

OK so last night wasn't too bad. A couple of dummies to reokug. Nw of 2am which they both fed well and again Leo stirring around 6, I gave him his dummy and made my way to the kitchen to make some milk( the monitor is in their,) but I never heard anything so made my way back he was still sound so I went back to bed to wake up to them both cooing and laughing at 7:30)

So not too bad a night but still this waking at around midnight.

[babyrose]

I put them down for their nap at 9 after 7:30 wu. Leo woke at 10 and is still awake just lying quite happy. Lewis has done nothing but cry for his dummy the past hour. I thought maybe after a reasonable sleep last night maybe 1.5 A time is a little too short?

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Great that Leo managed without his 6am feed and went through to 7.30! And what a lovely way to find them cooing and laughing

Gosh, not sure if the 1hr 30 was UT.  You've been generally putting them down at 1hr 15 I think so I'd prob more wonder OT from them not being used to the slightly longer A time. I could be wrong, sorry, these things tend to take a bit of experimentation don't they, and you are there with them seeing their mood and feeling your mummy instinct too.
If you are not sure then how about sticking to the 1hr 30 another couple days and see if they settle into it?

[babyrose]

I'm feeling it could be OT as well and mummy instinct says cut back a little on the A time. Perhaps start from an hour and work it a few days at a time.

I've been thinking what's changed, we used to have the cot down the stair, so instead of me reading their sleepy cues  ( and getting it totally wrong!) they would just nod off when they wanted.