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Re: Early morning drink milk- AP I think :-(
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2015, 09:05:21 am »
How old is she? If >14 months, I wouldn't backtrack now you're on one nap. She could be wanting more sleep to make up for poor night sleep while away from home or she may be ill. Those morning wakings sound developmental to me :-/

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Re: Early morning drink milk- AP I think :-(
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2015, 20:21:18 pm »
Hello, yes she's 14 months. She has stayed on one nap and I let her sleep for 3 hours (I have to wake her as she would sleep on).
She's done the odd STTN from 7.30pm to 0630am but then other nights she might wake for some milk (immediately go back to sleep after it) and then again at 0600. She's eating a lot during the day too so I wonder if I need to give her some more food in the day.
Perhaps, as you say it's developmental?

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Re: Early morning drink milk- AP I think :-(
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2015, 19:20:31 pm »
I would say if she is waking for milk and going back to bed that it is more of a habit than anything...have you still been doing a bottle right at bedtime too? This was about the age that we pushed that back to before bathtime. If she is eating plenty in the day nw & ew now are usually down to development or discomfort, not hunger. If you want to stop the ew habit the only option with a toddler is just to decide to stop and follow through with whatever sleep training method worked before (like wi/wo or gw).
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Re: Early morning drink milk- AP I think :-(
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2015, 19:53:20 pm »
Thanks. Y
es she still has a bottle of milk just before bed, in fact its part of her bedtime routine and the last thing (before brushing teeth) that she has before bed. What would you recommend regarding the night bottle? Should I try and get rid of it?

I really want her to STTN so I will try and give her milk and then have some time before bed.
How long would be long enough?

Today I put her in her pjs, sleeping bag and gave the milk in our bedroom. I was intending to keep her up for a while but she kept signing to me that she wanted to go to bed (and she was tired) so I took her into her room/bed and she went straight down to sleep. I know it does't sound a big improvement but the last time I tried this she would't settle so in a small way it's an improvement.

I will try for her nap tomorrow as well.

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Re: Early morning drink milk- AP I think :-(
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2015, 20:12:07 pm »
I've just re-read the Wi/Wo link that was sent to me in an earlier response and I'm just wondering which will be best for my lo. And it's also made me question her bedtime routine and whether I'm doing the right thing.

The final moment before putting her in her cot is her sitting on my lap having her bottle of milk (we're now brushing teeth too). She goes into her cot awake but obviously sleepy. Is this suitable? or am I being a prop to her? Does it sound like gradual retreat or WI/WO would work best for her?

She has never loved nursery (only goes for two days a week) and the best she has slept there is 1 hour (normally sleeps 3 hours at home). Since the time of her 2-1 nap transition she has slept even more badly at nursery and is only sleeping for only 20mins. She works herself up so much that she is making herself sick and this breaks my heart. Do you think I am doing damage to her by keeping on sending her there?

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Re: Early morning drink milk- AP I think :-(
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2015, 20:24:15 pm »
I reckon if she's sleeping so little at nursery, can you get them to do 2 naps? Just for nursery. The idea there is that she is probably very overstimulated and overtired by nap time there and if she can have two naps, she may cope better. My DS certainly did. He was solidly on one nap at home long before one nap at daycare.

I think if you can gradually move milk earlier in the routine, perhaps read a book (if its not too exciting) on your lap before bed rather than milk? or do milk, then PJs and teeth, then bed... ie. drop milk earlier and earlier in the BT routine til its gone.  Then I reckon GW is possibly more suitable given your current practice.

Can you expand a little on what's happening at nursery? What are they saying to you about her? How comfortable to you feel sending her there? For me, your mothers' instinct is the key part of this - do you feel right leaving her there? What are your reasons for sending her to nursery? Are you working? Concerned about her socialisation? Can you find another place? I guess I speak from the experience of having DS in a daycare where he was happy and then going to a place he was miserable after we moved and it really did make a big difference to him. Had I not known he could be happy at daycare, I may not have taken him out so quickly but he was much better within a week or two of leaving that daycare for another.

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Re: Early morning drink milk- AP I think :-(
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2015, 20:42:20 pm »
I'll give that routine a go and keep my fingers crossed :-)

Re: night wakings: In the baby whisperer book it said to try and avoid picking her up or eye contact. Is that correct for her age? As I've said she normally wakes once for milk so should I offer water instead or just go cold turkey and give nothing? how would gradual retreat work over night?

She goes to the nursery that is linked to the hospital I work in. I work two days a week but don't have to for financial reasons which makes it an even harder decision. She's in a small class and when she started there might only be her or 1 or 2 other children on some days. Now more have joined so average is about 6 children I think. They say that she has fun there and they certainly sound like they do fun activities. What makes me sad is that they take pictures of her to show the fun things she has done but she's not smiling like she does at home (or at all) in them and in some she just looks so tired and flat that it makes me feel upset (it's making me feel teary just writing that). She often cries when I drop her off and clings to me like a little monkey (as I carry her in) and other times is ok and waves goodbye, but never over joyed. My instinct is that we just love being together, I know that sounds really stupid but we are like 'best friends' and have so much fun just the two of us. I hate leaving her and it looks like she feels the same. To be honest I think that even if she went to the best childcare in the world she always prefer to be at home with me.

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Re: Early morning drink milk- AP I think :-(
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2015, 21:32:29 pm »
Would daycare be willing to offer her two naps until she adjusts to the stimulation? If she is just tired there but still enjoys it (I know nothing is like being home with mom though!) then I would see what they can do to help.

For the morning milk - not sure I would sub water at this point unless you put a spill proof sippy you know she can work in her bed at night and while you do gradual withdrawal just point her to it if she wants a drink. Mine had a sport type sippy at that age for water. Something she can control that you don't have to bring to her, it is already there.
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Re: Early morning drink milk- AP I think :-(
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2015, 01:12:15 am »
Sounds like she could really do with two naps at nursery - its not unusual and may help her. 20min nap sounds like she's OT or OS or both by nap time, poor little thing. DS having two naps worked really well for him, he was better rested, got a bit of time in the room almost one on one with a carer when the other kids were all sleeping so wasn't on the go all day (by his standards).

Would they maybe help her with somewhere to do a quiet activity as wind down before bed? I know a lot of daycares do lunch then wash everyone then put them all in bed and its chaos! Letting her go first or last to bed may help too...

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Re: Early morning drink milk- AP I think :-(
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2015, 08:00:15 am »
*becj86* the routine you wrote is exactly what they do with my dd at nursery but at home she would have her nap at about 1045-11. I will ask them to do two naps as that sounds like a good idea.

*MasynSpencerElliotte* when you say the morning milk do you mean the 0600ish milk? I did wonder if I could put a cup in her room for her to drink from but didn't know the age from which she would manage, so you think now would be ok (she's almost 15months).

She actually did very well last night. I wasn't feeling very well and she had been a bit poorly in the day so I didn't have the energy to do the full night training but I did give her a lot less milk when she woke at 2am, she protested but I said goodnight and walked out and within a few minutes she had stopped complaining and gone back to sleep until 0600. So this is a good start and I will give her milk in her sip cup downstairs before her nap today.

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Re: Early morning drink milk- AP I think :-(
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2015, 09:00:59 am »
Hi honey, sorry I've not been here as I've been away. You've been getting fab advice from the others though, so just adding some ((hugs)). Sorry to hear you've been feeling unwell, I hope you get well soon. N x
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Re: Early morning drink milk- AP I think :-(
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2015, 10:36:31 am »
aww, thanks for the lovely message :-) yes I've had some great advice!

I've just have logged on to say that my dd just went down for her nap after having her milk and snack down stairs, bit of a pause as we were having a cuddle then I took her upstairs put her in her sleeping bag and into bed. She sat up at first and I thought she would need more milk in bed but I lay her down, said goodnight and walked out and I could hear her chatting away to her teddy, next thing silence and she's asleep!! yay!! I'll keep increasing the gap between milk and nap/bed. x

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Re: Early morning drink milk- AP I think :-(
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2015, 12:45:45 pm »
Yes I meant the 6 am milk...does she use any type of sippy cup currently that is no spill? I think DD1 was between 18 months-2 years when we put the cup in her bed with water, just propped it in the corner with her pile of soothers so she knes where it was.
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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2015, 18:49:32 pm »
yes she uses tommy tippee sippy cup for water and I've just bought another bigger non-spill cup for milk so we will no longer use a bottle.

I've just put her to bed with the new bed time routine and touch wood it went well and she is sleeping now.
She had a snack downstairs whilst reading a book with dad. Then milk on dads lap downstairs. Then we went up and brushed teeth, put her into her sleeping bag and into bed. I will keep moving the milk a bit further away but today she has managed it for nap and bedtime :-) . Unfortunately tomorrow is nursery so I can't keep going with it but at least she has done it today. Really hope it helps the overnight wake..fingers crossed!

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Re: Early morning drink milk- AP I think :-(
« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2015, 20:08:23 pm »
Fingers crossed for you, sounds like she is going along fine with the change!
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