Author Topic: Nap capping for 1-0 (Read 4735 times)

Mandy.kamal · « **on:** May 01, 2015, 08:22:38 am »

Hello! Finally, we have had 3 good days and back on a routine. Here is our day now:
Up 6:45/7:00
Nap 1-2:45
BT 7:45/8:00

So it's only been 3 days of this (prior was chaos as I missed his cues and was in the OT/UT loop) but pushing his nap to 1:00 gave us great naps again and he was finally tired enough to take one. I let him sleep and wake on his own to ensure he was finally caught up on all OT plus I wanted to move BT closer to 8:00pm- which now we do so it's great.

But! Tonight and the night before we've had some UT, chatty NWs. Tonight for sure the worst (which is why it's 4:00am and I'm typing this!). Multiple NWs and this one now has been 30+ minutes and still talking.... So I'm assuming I need to cap the nap since our day is right at 13 hours. I just don't know by how much? He goes to bed immediately (used to take 30+ mins) for nap and BT now so I know the timing and A time is right but I guess he does need more A time before bed.

Should I cap by 15 mins or 30? I know it's all trial and error but just don't want to mess up! Advice?

Martini~ · « **Reply #1 on:** May 01, 2015, 09:59:26 am »

You may start from 15min capping so 2:30pm in your case and let a nap of max 1,5h. However you may also push BT hon. Many mothers claim that their children cope better with uncapped nap and shorter night. Until the nights are 10-10,5. It all depends on what he copes with better as some children are not happy with waking from a nap.

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #2 on:** May 01, 2015, 11:13:08 am »

Thank you. I'll start with 15 mins.

Just odd that he's acting very tired for BT and falls asleep within 5 minutes without a peep. And now he's sleeping still and it's 7:10 am so he's acting like he needs the sleep (11+ hour night), just waking up chatty at night?

I'll try capping by 15 and see what happens.

To update- he's still sleeping so it's almost a 12 hour night. With the 1.5+ nap yesterday. But I guess the 30+ min NW made him tired enough to sleep in?

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #3 on:** May 04, 2015, 18:10:51 pm »

Thank you again. The capping worked and now he is waking on his own after 1.5 hours. Yesterday the A time for bed was a little longer than 5.5 hours and he was OT. One OT NW and an EW of 6:15am (after going to bed at 8:30pm).

Today he refused his nap- turns out he had pooped so he was restless and refused to lay back down and was way OT after I changed him. Looks like today will be a NND....

What time should I do BT? He was bordering OT mess from yesterday and now with NN, I don't want to make it worse. BT has been 8:00pm. Should I do 6:45 or so and hope he's asleep by 7:00pm?

Martini~ · « **Reply #4 on:** May 04, 2015, 19:14:31 pm »

Do as early as you can Honey.

Re nap times, have you considered going for set times instead of caluclating A times? At that age it maybe be a better solution. Even if he sleeps in the morning nap and by are the same.

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #5 on:** May 04, 2015, 19:30:11 pm »

I set his nap for 1:00pm but was being cautious about capping and length of time before bed because OT sneaks up quickly around here. Since I'm capping at 2:30pm latest, he usually needs to be asleep by 8:00pm latest. He does better with about 5ish hours before bed.

Not sure how today will go but worried about what time to do bed. Don't want it too early but for sure don't want it too late....

Update- little stinker fell asleep in the car. He's asleep now- I am sitting in the driveway while he finishes his nap! He's going on 30 mins now. I'll let him sleep a bit longer and will just have to guess on BT based on his mood. I have a feeling I'll be doing a lot of car naps during this 1-0!

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #6 on:** May 07, 2015, 19:07:32 pm »

So we had a few really lousy days. Then he caught up on sleep and ended up a little UT. Yesterday was our first 'normal' day and was back to:
Up 6:45am (10hr night, I think)
Nap 1:00-2:30 (capped)
BT 7:45 asleep in minutes.

Woke today at 7:15am
Tried nap at 1:00pm and he refused it. I let him lay in his bed for 1.5hrs and got him up and will just lightly play. I'll shoot for 7:00pm BT.

Is this just part of the 1-0? With a set nap of 1, do I still lay him down even when he doesn't seem tired (like today)? I never know if I should go by his cues or stick with set times. Is there something I'm not seeing?

Update: I did 7:00pm BT and he went straight to sleep and is still sleeping at 7:10am.....I'd totally drop the nap if I knew he would tack on a do 12 hour nights!

Martini~ · « **Reply #7 on:** May 09, 2015, 10:31:35 am »

Great news Hon.

I would still be offering a nap and even is he refuses you may just go for quiet time, maybe cuddling on sofa with you when you watch a DVD and he nods off. It's great he can catchup after a NND, but it's worth mentioning that when some kiddos may go from napping to no napping in one day, some will need a transition period and a NND firstly once a week, than twice, every other day etc. Try to remember how it was with 2-1 transition - did he go through it just like that or was is a long process?

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #8 on:** May 10, 2015, 02:01:44 am »

He's had a nap the past 2 days but I capped at an hour. He seemed to do better when I pushed it out to 1:30pm now. But I'm waking him at 2:30pm to preserve BT by 8:00pm and when I wake him he is a total mess. He seems very tired and needing more sleep. I may let him sleep 1.5hrs tomorrow and see what happens. He had a little OT behavior going on so I'm hoping it works itself out without too much of an issue.

I guess now I know the occasional NND is possible and it's okay! I think he may have just needed it pushed a little later. If I lay him down too UT, he will get OT and refuse a nap too! So I need to keep that in mind as well.

I'll see how things go and keep this up for now. Honestly the 2-1 was a blur but I remember the 3-2 lasting ages!!!

Martini~ · « **Reply #9 on:** May 10, 2015, 06:12:34 am »

You may also consider pushing BT later and keep the nap of 1.5h. some kiddos are just shattered with capped nap - but if you started capping, I would try for couple more days - maybe he gets used to it.

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #10 on:** May 10, 2015, 10:31:06 am »

He's never seemed to mind when I wake him but has recently. He had 3 short NWs and was up at 5:00am and never quite resettled and up, up at 6:30

Yesterday was
Up 7:00am (11hr night)
1:30-2:30 cap
7:50 (took him 30 mins to fall asleep) seemed OT a bit?

Now up at 6:30am (10 hour night)

Martini~ · « **Reply #11 on:** May 10, 2015, 11:03:46 am »

I would personally try to go for capped nap and reasonable BT for at least 1-2 weeks. If he is OT, maybe go for EBT here or there to let him catch up. If after 1-2 weeks he is just more tired, I would try back to the routine of uncapped or capped at different stage nap and later BT.

If he was ok before with capping the nap, hopefully he will get the message this time:).

I am also thinking - what kind child is he? Some children tolerate well EBT, some will sleep in in the mornings and some will always like to long naps. Can you somehow based on your experience assess what type is he:)?

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #12 on:** May 11, 2015, 11:00:33 am »

Thank you. I capped at 1.5 hours yesterday and he was screaming when I woke him. Took an hour to calm him and then everything went well and he went to bed great for BT. Still only a 10ish hour night last night. But no NWs and he woke up happy.

I guess I'll play with nap between 1:00/1:30pm and always cap by 2:30pm so he will be asleep by 8:00ish.

He is spirited

Not fully- may be mixed a bit. He has never, ever been upset when I've woken him from naps so this is all new- he's acting like how he does when he's way OT and does the 30 min OT nap in the car and woken up. Very odd for him but I know if I don't cap then nights are bad.

I think an hour nap and 11hr night (13 hour day) is best for him now but I'm not quite sure! I'll throw it the extra 30 mins of nap sleep occasionally if I feel he needs it??

Truly Blessed · « **Reply #13 on:** May 11, 2015, 12:57:47 pm »

Extra ((HUGS)) Hun, with this transition the goal posts are constantly changing, which made it the hardest for us and many I have helped through it, it sucks!

I agree I would cap also, but be aware things won't necessarily be the same each day, even if you do the same each day

. Finger's crossed the shorter nap works, and sticks for a while.x.

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #14 on:** May 11, 2015, 17:19:59 pm »

Thanks!

Yeah, I'm seeing that every single day is random now. It would be fine if I knew he handled OT better. But like today, I just laid him down at 1:00pm (chose 1:00pm instead of 1:30 today hoping he was a little undertired and would take a shorter nap himself) but looks like he is way, way UT and playing and laughing in bed. I can tell, there will be a full nap refusal today so EBT for sure.

I'll keep doing what we've been just to give us some kind of game plan and give or take 30mins and just let him do his thing!

I just wanted to make sure you all didn't see something I was missing. I tend to miss huge red flags

...quite often!

Thanks again! Xx

Truly Blessed · « **Reply #15 on:** May 11, 2015, 17:27:15 pm »

Quote from: Mandy.kamal on May 11, 2015, 17:19:59 pm

I just wanted to make sure you all didn't see something I was missing. I tend to miss huge red flags ...quite often!

No, I'm afraid not Hun

I wish! I think it's important to try and chill during this transition, because it can be so looooong. The stressing really gets to you, and for us, it really was to a great extent out of my control. Sam didn't refuse naps, he just stayed up later and later and later at night, it was not good.

It might be worth thinking about the odd no nap day, if things don't get any better.

((HUGS)) x.

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #16 on:** May 11, 2015, 17:50:16 pm »

You're absolutely right. You're so kind and thank you again.

One thing that has been a major issue is that we are potty training. He hates pooping in the potty so he holds it unless he has pull ups on (which he only wears at nap). So now he poops as soon as I put him down and sometimes it keeps him from falling asleep (assuming it's uncomfortable!) and I'll go change him quickly and lie him back down and by then he's full blown OT and worked up and won't nap at all.

This is what has just happened today and most other days he refuses his nap so there's definitely a correlation. If he's super tied he will sleep with a poppy diaper but most days he refuses his nap because too much time has passed.

Any suggestion with this issue? I give him so many chances to go and unless it's urgent, he will hold it until nap...

Truly Blessed · « **Reply #17 on:** May 12, 2015, 09:14:42 am »

Hi Hun,

How old is he? Do you think he is absolutely ready to get rid of nappies? I know the age when LO's are ready for potty training varies hugely. Another thought may be whether he would prefer to poop on the toilet? I have a friend who's LO hated the potty and went straight to using the loo from the start, maybe something to think about. If not, how about changing him into a pull up an hour so before his nap, in the hope you can change him before you put him down? x.

((HUGS))

x.

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #18 on:** May 12, 2015, 14:05:47 pm »

Bless you! Yes, Creations gave me similar advice on the PT board. I have told him to let me know if he needs to go and let him have the option of going in the pull-up if he needs to.

He has pooed in the big toilet about 5-10 times and never has gone in the little potty. He only uses the little potty when he doesn't feel like going all the way to the bathroom (we have 2 pottys that move around our house

)

He is almost 28mo. He is definitely ready but he is stubborn and prefers to hold pee and poo vs going in the potty. I'm going to offer the pull-up around lunch time (which will give him an hour before nap) and finger crossed he goes. This 1-0 was hard enough without throwing this huge PT issue in the mix $:-\$

Truly Blessed · « **Reply #19 on:** May 12, 2015, 17:23:34 pm »

Quote from: Mandy.kamal on May 12, 2015, 14:05:47 pm

This 1-0 was hard enough without throwing this huge PT issue in the mix

Oh for sure, timing is wonderful, as usual with these LO's!

Quote from: Mandy.kamal on May 12, 2015, 14:05:47 pm

He has pooed in the big toilet about 5-10 times and never has gone in the little potty. He only uses the little potty when he doesn't feel like going all the way to the bathroom (we have 2 pottys that move around our house )

Here's another thought, I don't know much about his personality, but if he is anything like DH who started out angel then turned very spirited! This may work:

Pretend you need the toilet yourself and tell him you would love his company, then put his potty in the bathroom with you while you sit. Make it seem like you are going (sorry, trying to put this politely

lol) and maybe just maybe he will go with you. I would just sit there for a while, and have a happy chat. Even at age 5 Sam hates, I mean fights with everything he has not to go to the bathroom alone

He is extrovert so he gets all of his energy from others particularly me, so for him having company is a HUGE deal, and anything we do 'together' with me makes him happy.

How old is he Hun

What's his personality

We're mashing all of these subjects up now aren't we!? lol

x.

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #20 on:** May 13, 2015, 00:56:56 am »

Haha! Yes we are but all this things go together

He is almost 28 months and spirited (on the lower end). I always stay with him while he pees and poos. He prefers the big toilet and he's still too small to get on and off by himself so I stay with him and read or we chat but lately he wants NOTHING to do with it at all.

But! Since he skipped nap yesterday- he slept great today! I let him sleep from 1-2:45pm and woke him. He was in a better mood finally and then I put him down for bed at 8:00pm and he was asleep before I made it down the stairs!! Woohoo.

Bad news is that he didn't poo at all today. I know he had to go after dinner but would go in the small potty, big potty or a diaper so there's nothing I could do for him. Hoping he can hold in in until tomorrow morning...

Truly Blessed · « **Reply #21 on:** May 13, 2015, 12:15:20 pm »

That's good news Hun, maybe if he has the odd no nap day he will be one of the LO's who can self regulate! You never know

. Finger's crossed his bowel held on until morning

x.

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #22 on:** May 13, 2015, 16:27:23 pm »

I am hoping the same about self regulating. It does seem when he has skipped, he catches up the following day and actually seems in a better mood that all these odd naps.

He held his poo until morning but it was way early! 6:00am after an 8:00pm BT and he was not happy about being awake. But now he seems tired for nap so hopefully it'll all work itself out today!

Truly Blessed · « **Reply #23 on:** May 13, 2015, 16:44:58 pm »

Hope so Hun.x.

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #24 on:** May 20, 2015, 01:23:09 am »

Vicki- I remember before you saying something to me about his settling times. He's taking quite awhile to go to bed (30+ mins). Just playing and talking, not crying. Is this UT or could it be OT? I can't remember what you told me before...

I've been caping naps by 2:45pm and putting down 5 hours later and he's doing 10 hr nights so maybe more capping? Although, he is usually extremely upset when I wake him. It's 50/50 shot if he wakes happy or screaming...

Also to note, he's pooing EVERY day at nap. Within 10 mins of putting him down. He holds it until I lay him in bed and then will go. If I notice he's taking 30+ mins to sleep for nap, I go in and change him and sometimes he goes to sleep and sometimes he's too worked up and refuses it. So this is wrecking our nap times. He's also waking and pooing as soon as he wakes in the a.m too....

Martini~ · « **Reply #25 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:51:01 am »

What time do you give lunch before a nap? Can you bring it a tad earlier? Have you started to him him his pull-ups slightly before a nap to let him poo:)?

30+ at BT can be both but I would say that he is rather UT. Or he just needs it to wind down. Many mums say that their kiddos will need some time to go to sleep, no matter what time they put them for a nap.

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #26 on:** May 20, 2015, 10:57:56 am »

Thank you! Yes, I have put him I pull ups an hour before nap. Offered the potty and to relax with books on it. Made lunch earlier.....he just holds it until I lay him down. It's rough...

He usually goes to sleep quickly for nap and BT when I have his schedule right and this long settling time for BT is usually the precursor for night wakings $:-\$

I feel he's UT as well but sometimes I'm wrong with that and it's hard to do much adjusting with his routine when his naps are all over bc of the poo!

I'll stick with it for now since things are okay and no NW or super EW....yet

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #27 on:** May 22, 2015, 00:29:28 am »

I've played a little with capping naps and also letting him sleep until he wakes on his own and he has been taking 30/45 mins to fall asleep. Our days are pushing 14 hours recently because of his settling time. Should I be putting him down 30/45 mins earlier to give him that settling time so he's asleep closer to a 13 hour day? Tonight was almost an hour of him winding down in bed (although I let him sleep 2 hours today) so he genuinely may have been ut tonight

Truly Blessed · « **Reply #28 on:** May 22, 2015, 12:33:10 pm »

Hello Honey,

Can you remind me what time his nap is at the moment, and what length you are allowing him. Also WU and BT.

The long settling time is typical of the 1-0, it a PITA! I'd say it was probably time to cut the nap back again and stick with it for a few days, sorry

.

x.

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #29 on:** May 22, 2015, 17:26:12 pm »

Our days have been about like this:

Up at 6:30/6:45am
Nap 1:30-2:30/45 capped
BT 7:45 (8:15/8:30)

It's odd because when I cap most days he almost seems OT wild before bed and takes a long time to settle. Right when he's tired he gets really fussy and he hasn't been like that so I know it's OT wild stalling or UT stalling at BT.

Naps have been hit or miss bc as I posted before- he has been pooing the minute I lay him for nap. The past 3 days we have avoided that issue so I'm hoping that's resolving.

Today he was clearly tired around 12:30 so I laid him down at 1:15pm and he was out within seconds. Maybe I can try keeping nap at 1:00 and not 1:30 and cap at 2:30 still?

Let me know what you think! You've been right at everything else so far! Our routine is fine with me- I know during the 1-0 things will be random. I just know it's odd for him to take so long to fall asleep and once that becomes the normal then NW and EW begin

Truly Blessed · « **Reply #30 on:** May 22, 2015, 17:45:22 pm »

Quote from: Mandy.kamal on May 22, 2015, 17:26:12 pm

Maybe I can try keeping nap at 1:00 and not 1:30 and cap at 2:30 still?

I think as long as he can handle the A time, that could be a good call Hun, just suck it and see.

Quote from: Mandy.kamal on May 22, 2015, 17:26:12 pm

Let me know what you think! You've been right at everything else so far!

Oh Honey, now you've said it!!!

ha ha

Good luck, hang in there!

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #31 on:** May 23, 2015, 00:01:26 am »

I'll see how it goes with the 1:00 nap. I let him do 1:15-2:45 today and he seemed tired for bed at 7:45pm. We shall see!

And I mean it! You've been so incredibly wonderful!! Xx

Truly Blessed · « **Reply #32 on:** May 23, 2015, 06:31:32 am »

Bless you, it's a pleasure Hun. I'm afraid the 1-0 is just a tiring transition

no matter what we did Sam was ZZZZZZZZZZZ until he finally dropped it!!!

x.

Martini~ · « **Reply #33 on:** May 23, 2015, 18:13:33 pm »

Will be popping here to support Vicky a bit, as she is busy! If you have any questions, just ask:)!

Mandy.kamal · « **Reply #34 on:** May 23, 2015, 23:59:42 pm »

Thank you so very much!! Xx

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Author Topic: Nap capping for 1-0 (Read 4735 times)