Have we hit the 3-2? Help with a plan please.

[lily_layne]

Naps have been good but on nights when he doesn't STTN he's doing a fairly long NW. I'm not sure if it's UT, OT or just a wonder week. Does anything stand out to you?

Try as I might I can't quite remember the times for Wednesday so I'm not sure if I did something to help him STTN. Naps were similar to Th and Fri but I cannot remember WU at all.

Thursday:
STTN
WU: 6:20 - I left him to chat until he fussed a bit so fed at 6:45
S: 9:20-11
S: 1:30-3:10
BT: 6:40
NW: 1:30 - some chatting and small fusses, I fed at 2 and he was asleep a few minutes after PD.
5:50 - May have been awake for the day but I treated it as NF and put him in the swing. He was back asleep by 6:50. It would have been sooner but I disturbed him by checking on him - oops!

WU: 7:40 (I woke)
S: 9:50-11:20
S: 1:30-3:10
BT: 6:55/7 (I tried pushing it a bit later to see if that helps - he handled it well).

When he wakes at night should I leave him until he starts crying? It seems that he'll just chat/fuss for ages. I have been going in to feed if he's not back asleep after 30 minutes even if he's just fussing (mostly because I am awake anyway and would just like to go back to sleep  )

[jessmum46]

What was Friday night like?

Thursday I would have said OT.  Routines with a longer last A work well for many people but the earlier As tend to be shorter so may have been some OT accumulated across the day.  Just an observation but we often get 1h40 naps when OT.  Friday I would have thought was better for that style of routine?

[lily_layne]

Last night was better but I think he is a bit OT. He fussed a bit at 5 but went right back to sleep. I'm guessing OT as that was 10 hrs from BT. He then woke at 5:50. He didn't really cry but I fed him and popped him in the swing and he was back asleep by 6:40. I woke him for the day at 7:30. Thinking back, he did a 10 hr fuss on Wednesday night too.

I think 1h40 can be OT for him too but lately he's been waking happily. Usually when he's OT he cries a min or 2 and then fusses when he wakes. However, I think he could use a bit more sleep overall as he has circles under his eyes.

What sort of tweaking can I do? I'm pretty sure if I put him down sooner for the am nap he would do a longer nap especially on days when he's up before 7. Should I try that or is that going to encourage the earlier WU? I was thinking back and I realized I've pushed that last A pretty hard (assuming the long NWs were UT but there is a good chance they're ww related). Should I go back to 3h after that last nap making an earlier BT and hopefully, an earlier NF? Or do I temporarily put a CN back in (I can now that DH is home evenings again) to get a later BT which would hopefully get us a better WU?

Things would work a lot better if that boy would just wake at 7 when I want him to! He need to start reading the books so he knows what to do!

[jessmum46]

I think I'd go for the EBT personally - a late CN and late BT has always backfired here. I think an earlier morning nap is ok if he needs it, especially as a one-off catch up, but I'd be wary of going too short on that first A and allowing a full nap as that could well encourage the EWs.

[lily_layne]

Thanks. CN and later BT generally works ok but occasionally BT ends up later than expected but I'd rather have more of the evening to myself so I tend to opt for EBT.

I'm just going to post the next 2 days (more for me to keep track than anything). I think they were pretty good. He did a bit of catch-up yesterday and looked really well-rested today (until the end of the day when the dark circles crept back in). BT ended up being later than I planned last night and we got a decent WU today. We'll see what I get tomorrow am with a slightly earlier BT.

Saturday:
WU: 7:30 (I woke)
S: 9:30-11:30 (I woke)
S: 1:55-3:45
BT: Down at 6:55 - took a while (and some help from me) to settle at 7:30
NF: 2:30 - asleep by 3:15

Sunday:
WU: 6:45
S: 9:30-11
S: 1:40 - 3:25
BT: 6:50

[jessmum46]

Looks good

[lily_layne]

Ugh. Another 5:30 waking, a broken pm nap and a battle at bt With the early morning waking, do you think it's worth trying to leave him and see if he settles on his own? I have been going in as soon as he's the least bit fussy and feeding just so he'll go back to sleep but I'm not sure if that's the best plan

Today was:
5:45 - Fed and back to sleep by 6:30
WU: 7:30 (I woke)
S: 9:30-10:45
S: 1:25-2 (up screaming), 2:40-3:30
BT: started at 6:30 and asleep at 7:10 with lots of screaming. DH gave up and popped him in the swing. OT? What BT would you go for after a pm nap like that?

[lily_layne]

Another drawn out BT today.  Does anything stand out?
WU: 645ish
S: 9:30-11:10
S: 1:30-4
BT: PD at 7:05 (almost asleep from nursing) and then chatted for 20 minutes. I went in at 7:30 when he began to cry and just rocked him to sleep as I didn't have the energy to do otherwise. Asleep at 7:40.
He was starting to fuss when I took him to do WD and nurse at 6:55 but he didn't yawn until 7:30. I'm not sure what's up as 2 weeks ago if I put him down a bit UT he would just play a bit and then drift off.
NF: 2-3

[jessmum46]

If anything I'd say too much day sleep for a 'normal' day.....but I wonder if he was falling asleep at BT feed whether he is super sleepy for some reason?  Teeth?  GS?

[lily_layne]

He is cutting his first tooth right now. I think that's causing some of our problems. I  was beginning to think we had an IS issue going on as he was hard to settle for a nap yesterday but then he put himself to sleep with some chatting after his NF.

Yesterday was:
WU: 7ish
S: 9:30-11:10
S: 2-3:30 (PD at 1; OT fuss at 3)
BT: 6:30
NF: 4:30 - for the first time in ages he woke crying, not chatting but he chatted for 20 minutes after he ate.

I have been rushing in when he's having trouble settling. I should just leave him to it if he's just chatting/fussing, right? When he's really crying what you would recommend trying? (I have just been rocking him). I don't think he needs PU/PD but I don't think patting would work either. Should I just stay near him?

[jessmum46]

Was it the second nap he was hard to settle for?  I'm not surprised if you put down at 1pm after only waking from the first nap at 11.10.....seems a bit early to me......

If he's chatting or fussing yes I would try to leave him to it.  If he is struggling then you have to use your judgement but personally I wouldn't want to do anything like rocking which could become an issue.  With DS I just had to sit with him in the end next to the crib, sometimes shhing and sometimes rubbing his back a little, but mainly just waiting for him to give in and do it himself.  PUPD definitely wound him up.  DH had success a couple of times just holding his hand. 

How's the tooth?

[lily_layne]

I'm not surprised if you put down at 1pm after only waking from the first nap at 11.10.....seems a bit early to me......

1 would have been way too early - that should have said 1:35.

Yesterday was a bit goofy. He was up at 6 and had a long am nap and then a broken pm nap. I think he was a bit UT from the long am nap.He settled well at BT but had a long chatty NW. It seems he either STTN or has 1 long NW and I can't figure out why. I am slowly trying to stretch that last A to as close to 7 as he'll allow in the hopes that will cut down the nighttime chatting and/or stop some of the EMWs.

The tooth looked like it was about to pop on Thursday and today I can't see it at all. Silly teeth!

[jessmum46]

Ah I see

I think probably worth getting BT stretched out to 7 then and if you are still getting the NWs a bit more of a tweak/cut in daytime sleep may be the way to go.

Oh and sympathise with the teeth - DS has picked the week he starts nursery to cut two canines and his fourth molar  

[lily_layne]

Oh, yuck!

[lily_layne]

Just a quick wwyd (or I guess in this case, a what would you have done.)
Yesterday was a bit wonky as we went out in the am:
WU: 620ish
S 910-1015 - I woke him to go out
CN 12-1215 - He feel asleep in the car and I woke him
S 145-330
BT 645 (I was aiming for 7 but he was yawning and I just did have the heart to keep him up longer)

Would you have let him sleep when he fell asleep in the car and seen where the day took you or woke him to keep pm nap? I'm never sure what to do.

I keep aiming for pushing BT to 7 but I'm not doing very well. I really am very bad at stretching A time - I cave easily to yawns and other tired signs