Author Topic: Night time (Read 2756 times)

Florena49 · « **on:** June 03, 2015, 21:19:04 pm »

I think we need help.....

I havent been around for a while, getting ready for the new arrival. But the other little nugget who is 19 months now is throwing some curveballs with his sleep. We had the 18 month regression where he messed about at Bt but got over that after 3-4 weeks and now he falls asleep like an angel for his nap and bt. The problem we have is that he wakes 25 min sometimes 30/50 mims after BT, and i just cant figure out why!!!!
We do set nap at 12.30 and bt 7.45-8
He wakes and he is inconsolable for some time, he jusy wants to ho to sleep but he cant seem to. The other night after i calmed him he just stayed awake for an hour just lying there quetly. Its been going on for a couple of weeks, calpol doesnt help 😭

MasynSpencerElliotte · « **Reply #1 on:** June 04, 2015, 04:29:07 am »

Hi Viktoria! What time does he wake in the morning and how long is the nap? Kind of seems undertired if he lays there quietly?

Florena49 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 04, 2015, 06:39:05 am »

His wu time is always different. Originally we aimed at 7wu 12.30-2.30 nap and then 7.45-8 bt.
Most of the time ge wakes at 6.30/40.
I have tried waking him at 2, but it makes no difference and he doesnt do well when woken up, it takes him a good hour to return to normal self, he just whines and doesnt want to do anything.

Yesterday he fell asleep immediately at 7.45pm, woke at, 8,05 crying, resettled him, he woke again at 9.30, same thing and then around midnight and daddy brought him to our bed, as we both have work today and need to get some sleep. os woke at 7.20 this morning, which is unusual for him.

Its confusing because he falls asleep so well in his cot on his own within seconds

Florena49 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 04, 2015, 19:42:11 pm »

The same thing again, im clueless really. Wu 7.20, i still pit him to bed at 12.30 he slept until 2.10 and Bt at 8, settled no problem for both, but up crying at 8.35, husband resettled, but im just at loss!

MasynSpencerElliotte · « **Reply #4 on:** June 05, 2015, 09:26:11 am »

Weird question but do you know if he actually is totally asleep at 8 or could he be quietly laying there? When did he go to one nap and has it been a 2 ish hour nap for quite some time? Sorry for more questions! Teething at all?

Florena49 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 05, 2015, 10:00:13 am »

Oh he is out totally, snoring away, i go back 5 mins later to check, he is teething, i giess im stumped because for lunchtime nap i dont give him any calpol and he sleeps no problem.
I will try ibuprofen tonight, thays better for teeth right?
Its not always a 2 hour nap, sometime its only 1.20 or 1.40, we go with what we get, as BT hasbt been a problem before, so shorter or longer nap wasnt a big deal really.

Yesterday bt8pm, lots of wakings early on and up at 6.30 this morning.

Martini~ · « **Reply #6 on:** June 05, 2015, 10:17:34 am »

That's a good point - he maybe not asleep and just start messing after 20min. I would consider also OT as his A till BT is long - maybe the nap should be later and longer A in the morning? Usually nap is at 12/12:30 with a 7pm BT and later BT is usually together with a later nap.
Second idea as Heidi suggested - maybe it's time to cap the nap, but frankly speaking it would mean a really low sleep needs as go to bed 8/8:30 (if we say he is not asleep) and gets up 6:30 most of times it's 10h night and 1:30 nap which gives max of 12h. I would say that it's low but maybe he always was very lsn.

Last idea - any AP involved? You wrote that you took him to bed finally, does that happen often?

Florena49 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 05, 2015, 10:49:30 am »

I would say there is no AP, yes he come to our bed in the morning, but before this started he would happily sleep in his bed until morning.
He is asleep, as i go in and check, he wakes crying, but all he wants to do is go to sleep, he doesnt even want to come out of his cot for a cuddle, he kust pushes me away and wamts to go back into his cot and go to sleep.
We have done set naps and Bt for a while now. The only reason we moved Bt to later was because of 18 month regression, as he would mess around at BT and not go to sleep until 8 anyway.

So would u suggest 12.30nap and then 7.30 BT?

Martini~ · « **Reply #8 on:** June 05, 2015, 11:59:55 am »

I would try earlier bt - you will see what you get quite quickly. Or you may think of pushing nap a bit if you think that 8pm BT suits you all well. I would try to keep day up to 13h max and cap the nap if needed if you ask me. If shortening his afternoon A will not help rather than make things worse you have your answer that he needs rather less sleep and probably shorter nap.

Florena49 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 05, 2015, 12:23:04 pm »

If he woke at 7regularly i wouldnt mind pushing the nap, but with the 6.30 wu most mornings, he is so ready for a nap at 12.30, he is still asleep, he doesnt cope well with being woken up, so i will let him sleep and see if we can do earlier Bt tonight, he would be pk going to sleep at 7.30 i reckon, which is our preference in terms of BT anyway.

Florena49 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 06, 2015, 09:47:03 am »

Same nonsense last night, but for some reason was messing about until 8pm anyway and woke 20 mins later screaming. Woke at 6.40 this morning. So will do a 12.30 nap anyway and will tru for a 7.30BT. Have given him nurofen before bed yesterday, made no difference. Is it just a phase?
What are the avergare sleep time in 24 hours for 19month old nuggets?

MasynSpencerElliotte · « **Reply #11 on:** June 06, 2015, 21:37:45 pm »

Typical Amounts of Day and Night Sleep

This is typical amounts but in saying that DD3 is 21.5 months and her sleep amount in 24 h is more like the 4 year old amount on that page! DD2 at that age was getting 14-15 hours in 24 at that age.

Florena49 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 06, 2015, 21:50:21 pm »

So 13-13.5 is optimal, well today was 6.40wu, 12.30-2.20nap and 8pmBT. And nowakings so far, still asleep. I did nurofen him up 30 mins before Bt, so not sure if that helped.

Hopefully wont have an early waking tomorrow morning and this has just been a phase of some sort.

Second LO is due mid july, i really wouldnt want to deal with 2 kids waking all night long

MasynSpencerElliotte · « **Reply #13 on:** June 06, 2015, 23:28:01 pm »

Yeah that is no fun (I speak from experience, DD1 & DD2 used to tag team when they were small to make sure I was up all hours of the night!). Optimal is different for every child - some might do fine with less, others need loads more sleep!

Florena49 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 07, 2015, 06:07:32 am »

Up at 1.30am and 6.10 for the day, that is just way too early for a sunday.

How best to shift the day to at least 6.30, better 7. Does that mean shifting his nap?

Martini~ · « **Reply #15 on:** June 07, 2015, 10:06:16 am »

I would do so. But try to keep the same BT of 8pm even if you don't cap the nap. If he will mess for a longer spell and finally goes to sleep past 8pm, it would means that he clearly needs more A after his nap.

Florena49 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 07, 2015, 12:51:32 pm »

Would shifting it 15 mins to start with work?

7wu
12.45nap-
8bt

And then shifting to 1 if it doesnt help shifting wu.

Generally 5.30-6A in the morninh is good for him he went for a nap Ot today as was up early.

Im just worried about shortening his night as well, so i will stick to 8pm bt, although i have a feeling he wont settle until a bit later. I guess we shall see

Florena49 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 18, 2015, 19:29:30 pm »

Do kids ever stay consistent for a period of time, it seems its always something doesn't it.

So we got over the long Bt nonsense, only to find ourselves a week later in the same boat. Yesterday it took me 45 mins to get him off to sleep, its crazy and has been like this for the past 4 nights! So i cut down his daytime sleep a bit more, surely thats the problem! So today was

7wu
12.40-2 nap
8BT

I started bt a bit earlier, just to make sure that he is nice and calm we read books in his room, no silly games.
So he goes into his cot at 7.50 and lies there quietly yawning his head off, and im thinking i won! He gets up a couple of time asking for a different duvet, so i change it because he is right and he needs a thin summer one

. And then he falls asleep at 8pm!
And u make myself a drink and get comfortable and he wakes at 8.30 crying! In just at loss now!

Help us!

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 20, 2015, 06:20:03 am »

Hi honey, hugs and no things don't stay consistent for us for very long....guess just the nature of young developing munchkins. Now DS is 3yrs old things are better (a bit lol)

How old is your LO now?

Florena49 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 20, 2015, 09:35:08 am »

He will be 20 months in 5 days...apparently he settled absolutely fine yesterday and thats after a failry long sleep during the day, as we were deiving for a bit he had 12.20-2 and settled at 7.50 for BT and woke around 2.30am and then slept untik 6.40. Go figure then..... I feel cruel cutting down on his daytime sleep when he settled so well for the night.

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 20, 2015, 11:45:24 am »

Maybe it was overtiredness and he needed a catch up nap. x

Florena49 · « **Reply #21 on:** June 22, 2015, 19:55:40 pm »

Thats the thing there is just no pattern and im 37 weeks pregnant and my brain is just not functioning properly to even adjust hos routine to make things work.

Went to bed at 7.45 yesterday, cried out briefly after an hour, then slept until 3am and then took him into our bed and he was up at 5.40! Put him for his nap at 12.15, he was exhausted and barely standing up, not sure how he lasted until then tbh. Woke at 2pm and today in bed by 7.45 and now up and crying. So if we avoid the lengthy BT battles we have this nonsense an hour or so after BT, and i cant figure out is he OT Ut, does he need nap cutting down or earlier BT.....

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 22, 2015, 20:38:43 pm »

Hugs u must be tired. Any teeth moving about?
I'd probably try an Earlier BT if he's up at 5.40 is try 7pm to be asleep at latest then you rule out OT x

Florena49 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 22, 2015, 20:54:54 pm »

Hi Zoe, im pretty exhausted and have a trapped nerve in my lower back which makes it difficult to get by day to day, its my brain that isnt functioning and im just getting frustrated with myself that i can figure it out.

So would u say 7wu
12.30nap-2
I dont think he will settle for 7pm, but coukd certainly try 7.20-7.30 tomorrow.

Ocassionaly he does sleep longer that 2pm, but i never know if i shud let him or not.

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 23, 2015, 05:17:37 am »

Oh bless you sounds so tough, sometimes we can't figure these lo's out and all the messing just passes...we did have sleep messing at this age and I never did work it out...put it down to molars, and coming up to birthday developements!

Yeah looks good, if he has a longer nap you could shift BT a bit later etc. xx

Florena49 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 28, 2015, 20:15:26 pm »

Oh its not really getting better, not the BT or my back for that matter.

Woke up late today

7.30
12.30-2nap
Didn't settle until 8.25 and up crying at 9.10

This just isnt fun.

The thing is if i ask him if its time to go to bed he says yes and kisses daddy night and his toys and goes i to his cot and the. The messing about starts and i just dont k iw what to do, how to adjust his day so we dont have this 30-45 mins of messing about.

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 29, 2015, 06:02:42 am »

Oh no your poor back

Does he seem OT/UT at BT? My DS did always have a 13 hour day at this age of nap was 1.5 hrs x

Florena49 · « **Reply #27 on:** June 29, 2015, 19:13:27 pm »

The thing is he behaves very similar when he is ut or ot, he doesnt cry he just messes around.
Its 8.15 and he is finally asleep, again we started BT at 7.45, so 30 minutes of messing around, getting up, calling for me, calling daddy, moving pillows, taking his nappy off, anything not to sleep and now he is out!

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #28 on:** June 29, 2015, 19:19:09 pm »

They are little monkeys sometimes aren't they...

Once he's settled is he out all night, no wake ups?x

Florena49 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 29, 2015, 21:30:44 pm »

Generally he wouldvwake around 3 sometime later but with this messing around he usually has another waking, so he was up at 10pm, just needed to be put back down and he is out again.

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #30 on:** June 30, 2015, 15:23:29 pm »

Hmm hard to tell, I'd say OT with NW but then sleep is good with naps etc! Could just be developmental at BT x

Florena49 · « **Reply #31 on:** June 30, 2015, 16:15:00 pm »

And i would say that too, but he just doesnt settle any earlier and je sleeps so well for his nap, no messing, just put him in his cot and close the door, he is asleep within seconds or couple pf minutes and i wake him at 2 on the dot.

I hope its developmental with bt and nw, as this other baby isnt going to stay in my tum forever and will be out in 3 weeks. Ill scrap today, as he has been at the childminders and probably skipped jis nap, as he often does, so on tuesdays ots a matter of trying to het through the evening and getting to bt.

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #32 on:** June 30, 2015, 17:51:11 pm »

Hopefully he will be tired and go straight off. Bet your getting ready for lo2 to come with only 3 weeks left x

Florena49 · « **Reply #33 on:** July 01, 2015, 19:25:35 pm »

We are trying to, but by the time evening comes and i have spent an hour rrying to get him to bed we dont really have the energy for anything and still the nursery to sort.
Today has been

7wu
12.45-2 nap
And he is still awake in his cot, hopefully done by 8.30.

Can it be that he needs that long in the afternoon now to get tired?

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 01, 2015, 19:37:21 pm »

I can imagine I bet your shattered!

It seems like quite a long A to bed but maybe he needs it unless he's OT and that's what making him unsettled x

Florena49 · « **Reply #35 on:** July 01, 2015, 19:51:33 pm »

I agree that it seems a long time to BT, and it never used to be, maybe i have cut his nap short too early and should let him sleep a bit more but not more than 2 hours and see how he settled for BT then. Will keep BT at 7.45-8pm

7wu
12.30/2.30 nap
8 BT

And see if he manages an 11hour night, let hope thst works, its way to hot to share a bed with anyone let alone a toddler!

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #36 on:** July 02, 2015, 05:53:41 am »

Sounds like a good plan, Oh I agree way to hot to share a bed! x

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Author Topic: Night time (Read 2756 times)