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Persistant ENW's
« on: June 17, 2015, 17:25:18 pm »
DD2 is 10 months old on Sunday. She is always great at naps but terrible at night, we have NW's from 1 a night to every hour. But no matter what we do, we always get ENW's. From the time she goes to bed she will always wake either every 36mims to a 1hr until around 23:30 then the rest of the night is hit and miss.

Our usual day is this:

WU 7:30 (I wake)
S 11:00 - 13:00 (I wake)
S 4:30 - 5:10 (I wake)
BT 19:55/20:00

We have tried a loner 2nd nap 55mins -1hr then a 3hr A time
We did short am nap, long 2hr pm nap then full A to BT
Shorter CN 36min (she woke herself) then 2hrs 40 mins to BT

But we still get ENW's every single night.

Today we pushed our A time a bit.

WU 7:30
S 11:15 - 12:45 (she woke herself)
S 16:20 - 17:00 (I woke)
Going to try BT at 20:00 but I am pretty sure we will still get ENW's.

It's bad enough all the normal NW's but when I don't even get a couple of hours in the evening either it's beginning to feel like its never ending. I just need a little break and a bit more sleep please. I cant even imagine a few nights of STTN.

I think she is teething, she already has 8 teeth but we never had a night with no ENW's since she was tiny so I cant blame that. Any help would be great x


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Re: Persistant ENW's
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2015, 12:25:52 pm »
After the early night wakes does she STTN after that?? Or still lots of NWings?

If I remember correctly she is prone to being a pest at night and then happily sleeping all day.

Fully independent to sleep? Eating well? Any night feeds left?

When my DS goes to bed a bit OT he can be quite unsettled in the evening, but he tends to sleep more soundly if I pop some white noise on.

Anything silly like being too warm?

I know this has been going on for ages - but happy to try and chat through it and see if any ideas come up  :-\ :-*.

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Re: Persistant ENW's
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2015, 12:51:52 pm »
Thanks for popping on honey. No she doesn't always sttn after that in fact she still usually wakes once or twice.

She does sleep well during the day. Eats solids really well and milk is ok,  she goes for all naps and BT no problem independently. I do feed her at night at the 3 or later nw if I can't settle her.

Her room is pitch black with white noise. I don't think she is too warm. I'm giving meds incase of teeth. I just don't know what it is? It seems too many nw's


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Re: Persistant ENW's
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2015, 18:13:29 pm »
Hugs Gail, sorry this is still going on :( if it's any consolation B is very similar. It's rare we have a night that is properly settled. Not sure I have anything to add routine-wise, other than I can only guess it's a bit of an OT spiral that she never quite gets out of because she is woken up.

What about a day where you just don't wake her? Can't make it any worse?

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Re: Persistant ENW's
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2015, 19:05:47 pm »
Hi Katherine, Sorry to hear Ben is not sleeping well either, do you think its due to starting nursery?

I keep looking at her and thinking she is not OT as she doesn't show OT signs at all. But then I think she has been more clingy and crying more and today we were out in the morning and she fell asleep In the car after 2.5hrs A time so maybe she is (but I'm not sure how good a sign car naps are).

I worry about not waking her at all for morning and naps because I think she would actually sleep until about 8, nap for 2.5hrs (maybe more) then nap for another 1hr plus which make her last A time longer also so BT could be near 9:30/10pm. That doesn't bother me as a 1 off but I worry about then undoing all the catch up but waking her the next morning as it would be a very short night if I wake her at a reasonable time.

I sometime wonder if I am way off and actually she needs a lot more A time but the ENW's throw me. Surely ENW's wouldn't be UT as she settles with a little cuddle in seconds. Last time she was UT our NW's lasted for hours at a time.


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Re: Persistant ENW's
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2015, 20:21:20 pm »
Its hard isn't it? With DD I did a short am and longer pm nap. I did power through to one nap at about 10/11 months though. She isn't particularly LSN but I just got to the point where it was easier to have her on one nap and tired enough to sleep at night. She often used to have a quick late afternoon nap on the sofa though  :-[ ::).

Is she breast or bottle fed?

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Re: Persistant ENW's
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2015, 20:29:46 pm »
She's bottle fed honey x


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Re: Persistant ENW's
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2015, 06:24:25 am »
I'd do a day of not waking her from naps and still try for a normalish BT. She may need more sleep than usual for a catch up day x

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Re: Persistant ENW's
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2015, 09:03:50 am »
I always used to try catch up days before cutting naps. Easier to exclude OT iyswim.

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Re: Persistant ENW's
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2015, 11:35:33 am »
Ok I'll try that tomorrow.  We have gone a bit pear shaped today. She nodded for 5 mins in the car at 3hrs a time so I put her down after 4hrs total as she seemed happy but she woke after 35 mins.

WU 7:35
S 10:35-10:40
S 11:40 - 12:15

When would you try a second nap and if she takes a long 1.5/2hrs would you do 3.5hrs to BT or a bit shorter? Xx
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Re: Persistant ENW's
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2015, 12:54:52 pm »
On an off day (every day here ::) but hey) I'd just follow cues x

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Re: Persistant ENW's
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2015, 21:18:30 pm »
Well winging it seems to be going well.

Did 2nd  nap at 15:05 ( 2hrs 55 A time). I woke after 1hr 40 mins to keep BT reasonable.  Then tried BT 3hrs later but was actually 3hrs 30 mins before I got her to sleep.  But no ENW's for the first time ever.

Last time we did a long 2nd nap and tried 3hrs 30 before bed we had lots of ENW's and NW'S.

 Not sure what to take from today, maybe she needs a shorter middle A time or if a long am nap, short pm nap possibly shorter A to BT than the usual 2hrs 45mins.  I'm not sure but we'll see how the night goes.




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Re: Persistant ENW's
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2015, 21:21:16 pm »
Good luck Hun, no ENWs so far here either but in our case I think B crashed big style..... ::)

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Re: Persistant ENW's
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2015, 21:30:53 pm »
Hey maybe they are in cahoots and we are both going to get a good night's sleep tonight  ;D x


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Re: Persistant ENW's
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2015, 05:19:29 am »
How was it?  We got a good night but awake at 5.10 ::)