Persistant ENW's

[jessmum46]

If you are waking from first nap I'd pull the first A back to 3h if she'll go for it, there's no point in pushing that one if you are going to cap it x

[Eva's Mummy]

Thanks Katherine and Liz. I put her down after 3hrs this morning and I still had to wake her.  Should I reduce more or stick with it a few days and shorter a to BT to see if it balances out?

Also I wake after 2hrs for the 2nd nap should I keep doing this to get a longer night or let her sleep till she wakes herself? X

[jessmum46]

So you're doing WU, 3h, 30 mins nap, 3h, 2h nap, then ?  I would have thought 2h should be enough for the second one but she's always been HSN right?  Maybe 30 mins is too short??

[Eva's Mummy]

No we are doing.

WU
A 3HRS
S 45MINS
A 3HRS
S 2hrs
A 3HRS 30 MINS
BT

She's always been hsn. I'm just scared of reducing too much and getting it night.

[jessmum46]

You never know until you try I've been getting it wrong constantly with my two for months but they seem to be doing ok......mummy's sanity on the other hand

[Eva's Mummy]

And having said that she's just woke after 1hr 25 mins  ( maybe that's her catching up after the shorter 1st a today). And she had a good night last night. 

[Eva's Mummy]

Well I think its time for a push. We have been doing:

WU
A 3hrs
S 45mins (I wake)
A 3hrs
S 2hrs
A 3hrs 10mins
BT

With that we get 1 ENW 45/1hr in and a WU at 23/00 then she STTN. So I'm ok with that. However the last 2 days her 2nd nap has been 1hr 30mins then today it was 1hr so I guess we are ready for a push.

So do I just push the 2nd A time or do I cap the 1st nap and I assume i'll keep the 1st A and BT the same for now?

[jessmum46]

I'd be tempted to shave a few mins off the first nap then bring the second one earlier by the same amount is keep a similar second A time and see what that does for you x

[*Liz*]

Yes, you usually cut the first nap to 30 mins to keep the second nap long and at a sensible time.

[Eva's Mummy]

Ok so this or reduce 2nd a to 2hrs 45mins?

WU
A 3hr
S 30 mins
A 3hrs
S hopefully 2hrs
A 3hrs 10 mins
BT

[jessmum46]

I think if you are cutting to 30 mins that's quite a difference from 45.  I would be prepared to put down from about 2.5h onwards if she looks like she needs it, she may handle 3h but 45 mins is a full sleep cycle so more restorative than just a catnap x

[Eva's Mummy]

Hi,

Sorry ive not been back in a while my internet keeps crashing. So DH has been off so we have not been in much of a routine so we are going to start today. We have been doing:

WU
A 3hrs
S 45mins
A 3hrs 20/30mins
S 1hr25mins
A 3hrs 20
BT

Getting 1/2 ENW's the 2 NW

So we are getting back in track now. Going to cut the CN to 30mins and 2nd A of 2hrs 30-3hrs see how she goes. If she does 1.5-2hrs would you do a 3hr 20mins to BT?

[jessmum46]

I'd have thought 3.5-4h for most babies, you may need to play around with it x

[Eva's Mummy]

Well today is not going so well. We did the usual 3hrs 1st A time then a 30min nap, she was so tired when I woke her. We were out and about but at 2hrs 25mins in the car almost home she was having a total meltdown, screaming, crying, tears, runny nose, cough so I put her down as soon as we got in at 2hrs 39mins and she just sat up and wouldn't go to sleep. I ended up getting DH to hold her while I put DD1 down for her nap so I could try again. I eventually got her down at 3hrs 15A time and she was still sound asleep at 2hrs but I woke her.

She is yawning now after 2hrs 15mins A time so I think I will go for 3hrs before BT and hope for the best. Do you think I missed her window for the 2nd nap this morning or could I have been trying too early and the outburst In the car was just by the by?

[jessmum46]

From her behaviour I'd have thought missed the window?  But if that's the case I think 30 mins may be too short of a morning nap for her right now as I think you'll end up with a very short day.  What if you go back to 45 mins but push the second A a bit instead?  Or stick with 30 mins but maybe allow a longer second nap, ie don't wake at 2h?