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Short sleeper-please help
« on: June 24, 2015, 11:59:50 am »
hi,
I'm new to bw and have been trying the pu/pd technique on my baby who is 3.5months old.

We had a couple of problems that needed fixing, he sleeps well during the night generally only waking once at about 4am after a dream feed at 10.30. However, his day time naps had become more and more of a problem. He has always only ever slept for about 25mins in a row but his sleep aides had become lying on me and regularly only sleeping if he was latched onto my boob! I know this was bad, hence we started with easy. We have been successful in that he now goes into his Moses basket to sleep but remains only sleeping for the 25mins. Can someone please advise me on how to help him with this. Would like to nail it as he is such a happy baby when not tired. I would class him as a mix between touchy and grumpy baby.

Thanks so much in advance!

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Re: Short sleeper-please help
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2015, 13:27:15 pm »
Hi :D welcome to the boards

25 minutes sounds like he is overtired. Nothing that can't be fixed. Is he asleep when you lay him in his basket, or does he fall asleep in there? If you could post a typical day like this (below) that will help us see what is going on:

A = what time does he wake in the morning
E = what time does he breastfeed on waking
S = what time does he have his first nap and for how long
etc for the whole day.





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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2015, 13:37:56 pm »
Hey.
Thank you.
So far today we had
Awake for day-8am
E-8.15ish
A-8.15-9.45
S-9.45-10.15
A-10.15-11.15
E-11.15
A-11.15-12.45
S-12.4-1.15 then a battle to get him to go back to sleep with pu/pd and he went back to sleep at 1.45 and still asleep now at 2.37 even tho he is now overdue a feed.
We would normally then tend to have activity time with one more sleep before bath at 6 and bedtime, usually by about 7.30
I can keep a better log tomorrow though, just had a horrific time with last nap and wanted to reach out for some help and encouragement.
When I put him into the basket he is usually awake and takes about ten mins with a few pu/pd to settle.
Thank you
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Re: Short sleeper-please help
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2015, 13:41:40 pm »
His A times aren't way off, but he may be a little overtired. A is 'awake' rather than 'activity' really - so it's everything from the moment he wakes until he goes to sleep. It seems like his A times are around 1hr 45 mins in that case, which might be just a tad too long. You could try pulling back to 1hr 30 and see what happens?

The other thing is, short naps are hugely developmental. babies around 4 months just do not want to do long naps. Mums do everything they can  but it is often a case of just ride it out and trust that they will lengthen out eventually.





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Re: Short sleeper-please help
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2015, 14:01:15 pm »
Thanks. Will start on that timetable tomorrow I think and go for 1.5hrs. Is that in bed by 1.5hrs or chilling to get off to sleep then?
Can I coax him through 25min mark? Have read that a few people do that by stroking baby, he has never napped for long and was hoping baby whisperer will sort it for us both.
I know it all takes time tho, suppose I should be thankful he goes into his basket without being attached to me after just 2 days.!
Maybe he is just too nosy to sleep!!
is it ok if I update you tomorrow/Friday with full days easy to get your opinion ?
Thanks.
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Re: Short sleeper-please help
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2015, 14:49:26 pm »
1.5 A time means 1.5 hrs awake, so if he's up at 7 he's in the cot at 8.15 and asleep at 8.30. Yea pop back and update us!





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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2015, 17:08:44 pm »
Ok, thank you, will try putting him down after an hour and 15mins.
Fingers crossed although due to be out tomorrow which will no doubt cause issues as he doesn't really sleep when out!
Really appreciate the help.
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Re: Short sleeper-please help
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2015, 17:43:11 pm »
:) good luck with it. We'll be here when you get back ;)





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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2015, 07:38:22 am »
Hi,
Here is yesterday's schedule. Was a bit off as we went out mid morning.
I'm on day 5 of pu/pd and seems to be taking a step backwards is that normal? Still only having
Thanks
Kate

2.22-2.43 eat
2.53-6 sleep
6.00 eat
6.30-sleep
7.45-wake up for day
8.15-8.25 eat
9.35 sleep (tried to settle from 9) includes coaxing at 20 mins
10.25 awake
11.40 eat
1,15 sleep
1.45 awake
2.15-2.45 sleep
2.45 eat
3-awake
4.25 sleep
4.45 awake
5.20 - 5.30 eat
6.30 bath and relax
7.00 eat
7.45 sleep  (know this is against bw advise but works for us)

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Re: Short sleeper-please help
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2015, 08:09:15 am »
Meant to put only having 25min naps! Baby brain!!
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Re: Short sleeper-please help
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2015, 08:16:55 am »
When you say PUPD is taking a step backwards, you mean it is taking longer for him to go to sleep? That could also be a routine issue although yes some regression is normal. It's a bit difficult to make sense of your routine, could you add the total A times? They seem to vary a lot?





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Re: Short sleeper-please help
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2015, 08:56:08 am »
Yes, took 25 mins this morning when it had gone down to ten min 😳

This morning I had him up for an hour and a half before trying to settle him back in bed.

The activity time was a bit out yesterday as we were at friends house so no where to put him down.
However, it was
A-1.45
A-2.15
A- 30mim
A-1.30
A-3

The 30mins was because we were in car and he had had a long session before I think.
Before bath I think we need to squeeze in an extra nap but finding it difficult due to not feeding before sleep. Also cos the naps are short it's hard to  know if I need to shorten a as he gets more tired?

Can s be in pram/car seat as well as bed as when we go out hard to stick to schedule?
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Re: Short sleeper-please help
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2015, 09:22:27 am »
Naps can be in the pram or car for sure, sometimes they have to be! I know it is hard when you have places to be etc. I don't think we can draw any conclusions from yesterday because it was kind of 'messy' in terms of some very long and some short A times. I'd give it a few days and see how you get on.





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Re: Short sleeper-please help
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2015, 09:37:55 am »
Thank you. Hoping today will be easier.
It's much better when your in charge of the schedule..! Haha.
Will update with today's schedule later.
xx