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Re: Need some BTDT and sympathy from parents of EWers!
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2015, 21:17:50 pm »
And hugs to you both for last night too.  Fx tonight is more peaceful for everyone
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Re: Need some BTDT and sympathy from parents of EWers!
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2015, 22:07:58 pm »
Hi lovely, sorry I'm joining late to the party, and please do forgive me if I'm going over already covered ground. Did you think any more about Annabel's nap situation? Are you still trying for two naps (one long and one shorter)? I know teething and illness is going to make a big difference and you wouldn't really want to shift anything while she's unsettled anyway, but those longer early wakings for us were always teething (so we gave meds) or E's nap being too early in the day.

I'm just remembering how much we said they (A and E) seem quite similar from a sleep needs point of view so thought I'd mention it.

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Re: Need some BTDT and sympathy from parents of EWers / long NWers
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2015, 08:12:05 am »
So last night was 7:30-7 with a NW 2:30-4. Not quite as bad in terms of length but she was really upset last night, which is unusual. She generally fidgets and fusses and only cries when she gets stuck standing. Last night she was crying hard when she was up, down, and in between. All that still makes me think teeth are the main culprit atm, but it still took her a while to settle after we gave her meds.

Sorry, I feel like I'm changing the goalposts a bit with this thread as I was really after some hugs and solidarity (which I've got, thanks!), but actually I feel like I could really use some help if anyone has any bright ideas? Heidi and MJN were helping me before and made me realise that she is likely LSN (gets about 13hrs in 24 and that seems fine for her). Part of me thinks that if she'll do 11hrs overnight she only needs 2hrs of naps, which is going to be easier to consolidate when she's on one nap and I might just need to put up with things until we get to that point.  So yes Naomi, pretty much what you were saying about E.  She does still need 2 naps for now though, especially if she has an early start. I possibly need to cap one or both of them more, but it's so hard to cut sleep  when there's so little of it going around.

ETA also since I started this thread she's had long NWs every night and no EWs so it's all still all over the place!
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Re: Need some BTDT and sympathy from parents of EWers / long NWers
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2015, 08:53:56 am »
What naps did she do yesterday??

I think one thing that BWer 'misses' a lot is that some kids really do need a long A before bed (that is the basis of many more structured routines). At this sort of age my DD was having a capped 30 min am nap, and a lunchtime nap. She isn't very LSN, but those long pm naps (and 3hrs total a day) used to kill her night sleep completely.

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Re: Need some BTDT and sympathy from parents of EWers / long NWers
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2015, 10:19:01 am »
Yes I wonder with hindsight whether the pattern that Liz is suggesting would have worked for E. I was always a bit nervous to try and work out the A time following a shorter am nap, but it would certainly have made socialising a whole lot easier for a while there ;)
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Re: Need some BTDT and sympathy from parents of EWers / long NWers
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2015, 14:43:58 pm »
No more bright ideas to fix the NW, but sympathy :)  Lately my 10 month old has been taking an hour to fall asleep (which has her going to sleep at between 8 and 8:30).  Doesn't matter how much A time she has had before.  I notice that if she has had a long A time, she cries during this hour and requires more shh/pat, but if she has less A time, she just jumps around during this hour.  Then she sometimes has a NW (usually around 2-3, right when motrin wears off). 

One suggestion I have for you- last night she woke at 2:30, and I knew she would prob be up for a while.  After giving her Motrin, I put a down comforter next to her crib and layed down there using her boppy as a pillow.  I put my hand in the crib and shh/patted her that way.  Still took an hour to get her to sleep, but I wasn't killing my back standing over her for an hour MOTN.  Of course, she stood up a few times and I had to lay her back down, but overall the NW was more tolerable laying down LOL. 

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Re: Need some BTDT and sympathy from parents of EWers / long NWers
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2015, 19:28:39 pm »
What naps did she do yesterday??
1.5hrs in the morning and 45mins in the afternoon.  This is fairly typical.

I think one thing that BWer 'misses' a lot is that some kids really do need a long A before bed (that is the basis of many more structured routines). At this sort of age my DD was having a capped 30 min am nap, and a lunchtime nap. She isn't very LSN, but those long pm naps (and 3hrs total a day) used to kill her night sleep completely.
Im wondering if this way round might work better for her too.  I've been going with long morning nap because her naps were unreliable for so long I figured at least she'd have some good sleep under her belt, but
Yes I wonder with hindsight whether the pattern that Liz is suggesting would have worked for E. I was always a bit nervous to try and work out the A time following a shorter am nap
This! I'm worried that if I cap her morning nap I'd end up with 2 short naps.  I also hate the idea of waking her when she's had a bad night, but atm they're all bad nights so maybe it's the only way to break the cycle.

Cbusmama - thanks, I already have a makeshift bed on the floor in her room.  It doesn't seem to make any difference to how she settles but yes, slightly more comfortable for me.
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Re: Need some BTDT and sympathy from parents of EWers / long NWers
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2015, 08:06:59 am »
I need some eyes for today please! Got a WU of 7:40 after the usual NW, nights are not getting any better so I do think I need to change something. Maybe she does need a long A time before bed and at the moment she's not getting that with a pm CN. I don't know if she's going to bed OT because she only gets a short sleep all afternoon, or UT because it's not too long of a stretch to BT.  Either way its not working, so I'm going to bite the bullet and try short am, long pm today. I am scared to wake her up when her morning nap has been so good!

So I was thinking:
WU 7:40
Nap 10:45-11:15 (she would usually have a longer A time but I'm hoping she'll go down and not mind being woken if she's not so tired to start with)
Nap 1:45-3:15 (is 2.5hrs A ok after a 30min CN? I did this routine with DD1 but I can't remember how it went)
BT 7:15

Then if she STTN (ha!) we'd get WU probably around 6:15 and do two good naps but with a longer day to keep the A time to bed. Or if we get NWs and a later WU I'll keep trying with the capped morning nap. Any thoughts please?
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Re: Need some BTDT and sympathy from parents of EWers / long NWers
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2015, 08:37:50 am »
I don't have advice honey as I was never any good at working out A times after short naps, but I do agree you should try something different. Lots of vibes xx
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Re: Need some BTDT and sympathy from parents of EWers / long NWers
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2015, 17:56:38 pm »
Looks like a decent starting point. I woke thomas after an hour this morning (to take jacob to football  ::)), and he did another 3 hrs A afterwards. But it would be more like 2.5 after a 30-45min nap.

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Re: Need some BTDT and sympathy from parents of EWers / long NWers
« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2015, 08:33:33 am »
Uuurrghhhh 3hr NW last night :(

Yesterday went ok, she went down with a little persuasion in the morning and was perfectly happy being woken after half an hour. Settled ok in the afternoon but woke herself after half an hour, so maybe a little OT as she's not used to having her morning nap capped. But she was back asleep after less than 5 mins and did 1.5hrs total, went to bed easily at night. Then she was awake 10:30-1:30 ??? What is up with this girl? She dropped off for 10mins or so here and there during that time but just wouldn't stay down.  She is mostly  calm and quiet and lying down when DH or I are in there with a hand on her, but not always. She just starts fidgeting and fussing over and over. I don't think it's SA as I spent a while on the floor, she knew I was there and still cried on and off. But when we left the room she stood up and really cried. It seemed like she couldn't get comfortable and yes she's teething and we medicate, but we can't keep shoving calpol down her throat every time she wakes up. I don't think she has any other discomfort - no reflux etc. Her routine may not be perfect but it's not that bad to cause endless wake ups every night. I am frustrated and exhausted with this. I don't know what to do. I hate to say I left her to cry for a bit last night, and you know how hard it is for me to do that. I think it's a horrible thing to do for all the reasons we all know about, but I just couldn't take it any more and I felt like if I stayed in there I would yell at her or be less than gentle lying her down  :-[ :'(
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Re: Need some BTDT and sympathy from parents of EWers / long NWers
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2015, 10:34:28 am »
Hugs hun, you did the right thing stepping away until you could go back calmly :-* :-* sorry for the rough night xxx

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Re: Need some BTDT and sympathy from parents of EWers / long NWers
« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2015, 12:06:08 pm »
I agree, it's absolutely the right thing to do in those circumstances. (((Hugs))) lovely xx
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Re: Need some BTDT and sympathy from parents of EWers / long NWers
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2015, 20:39:52 pm »
Hugs!  If it makes you feel better, my babe will be 11 months next week and we went through HORRIBLE sleep for the past month or so.  She had an ear infection at her 9 month appointment, then she had a cold, then she got in her top 2 teeth.  Your LO's age is also a wonder week.  BUT- mine has just in the last few days started STTN again.  I hope this happens for you soon!  Hugs.

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Re: Need some BTDT and sympathy from parents of EWers / long NWers
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2015, 05:55:47 am »
Bit late joining you here, but I wanted to offer hugs and sympathy. Annabel sounds just like Jack - we had awful long nws until he was 13 months, and he's always been prone to EWs too. In fact, they've generally stopped but are back right now cos we're away, and that is enough to disturb his sleep. Like you say, it's every little thing....

Anyway, in terms of actual advice,  I found J needed one very long A in the day to sleep better at night.  At 9 months I'm pretty sure any sleep after 2.30pm made nights worse.  That's with a 7pm bedtime. He's very lsn though so the time may be different for you, but the principle of needing a decent A before bed may still apply.  He also needed around a 13 - 13.5 hr day, and a decent first A too, unless he had a very short first nap.  I also found that he could do almost a full A after a short nap, so if you did want to do long AM, short pm, you might find that your cn still needs to be done by mid afternoon in order to keep a decent A to bed.

We were in the last throes of the 2-1 at 9 months - I'll try and dig out what our day looked like....