8 months frequent night feeding

[Alisa masik]

hello girls,
your advice needed. my baby girl 8 months old still breastfeeding , waking every 3 hours to eat .and actually eats both sides. it began more frequent since the solids and the teeth came. past month. but since she was born she never made it trough the al night.
she is with a paci' when she wakes i try to give her paci for long time 30 min; but she wont settle down and cries till i feed her.
she wakes almost in the same hours: 10,1,4-5,7  .i used to give her NF at 10:30 but now she wakes early before- at 10.
is there anything i can do to reduce the feedings?
she still sleeps in our bedroom m will it help to put her in her brother's room?  i moved him at 5 months and he sleeps trough since then.
easy:
7 wakes
8 bf
9 solids
9:30-10 Sleep for 45 min
12 bf
1 solids
1.30-15 sleep
16: bf
17:30 solids
7 Bd
10,1,4-5  bf

thank you
 

[jessmum46]

Does she have another BF before bed?  I'd be aiming for four daytime feeds if not. 

Is she an independent sleeper??

[Alisa masik]

o ofcourse she has bf before bed. sorry forgot  she have 4 hours between the bf.
she has a paci so i guess not  independent. she fell asleep with it.

[Alisa masik]

Any insights ?

[*Ali*]

My bet would be a mix of paci prop dependency and UT/OT cycle. Is she just having 2hr15 of daythe sleep every day? Her first A time is very short so I wonder if you would get a longer nap if you pushed the first nap about 30 mins later. You might have to do it more slowly.

Can she replug her own paci?

Maybe also look at how much solid food she is having and cut back a little if it is a lot. She could be filling up on solids and not leaving room for milk during the day so she is making up for it at night.

How old is her brother? Personally I wouldn't put a baby in with an older sibling just yet unless he is much older.

[Alisa masik]

hi'
thank you for replying.
she cant plug he paci cause she throw it on the floor every time.
her brother is 1.8 years old.
she lately goes for the second nap at 10:30 , 11  and still naps for 45 min.
solids: she really eats very little ' she doesnt like it very much.

[jessmum46]

I wouldn't put her in with a sibling that young either. 

I think this is probably a prop issue rather than a hunger one.  If you want to keep the paci you could do use shh pat or gradual withdrawal (or a combination) but as the paci is likely part of the problem I'd be tempted to get rid of it and use PUPD or shh pat to help her learn to settle alone.

You could maybe do a dreamfeed at 10/11 then not feed again until say 5am?

[Alisa masik]

I do a feed at 10. But she wakes up by herself. It used to be a dream feed.  But then she wakes again at 2 and 5 both times to eat
She wakes up at night not because of the paci. She is eating, she would not exept the paci instead. 

[jessmum46]

But it could be a habit feed, that's the point I'm trying to make.  A dependence on the feed to go back to sleep, a learned hunger rather than genuine need to eat every 3h overnight.  She shouldn't need to feed more frequently at night than in the day and 3h is the time they come into light sleep between deeper sleep cycles.  I've been there hun with DS, putting in a bit of effort to resettle him made a lot of difference here x

[Alisa masik]

thats what i though about the 10 o'clock feed, so i tried to resettle her but whiteout luck and also she eat  both sides every time she is up.
u think i can drop the 2 oclock feed?
we had it one night but she continue waking up every hour since that till i fed her.

[*Ali*]

If she is that hungry at night then I'd say you need to add in at least one extra feed in the day to move those calories to the daytime. It could be that she is unable to get what she needs from 4 BFs. Depending on your storage capacity she may need more frequent feeds. Does she have both sides in the day too for every feed? What about topping up after a (or each) solids meal?

I'd also get rid of the paci so she gets used to going to sleep without sucking. Does she have a blankie/lovey she could hold to her mouth instead perhaps?

[Alisa masik]

during the day she soetimes eats frequent because she refuses to eat both sides but then she cries and eats again,
i will try your advice about the solids after bf, although she isnt a fan of solids as well

she doesnt have any other prop she like ,except of the paci.
the paci come her down also during the day because she is teething' so is it smart to take her paci away?

[*Ali*]

Sorry, I meant adding in an extra Bf after you give here her usual solids. Might not have made that clear.

You can of course keep the paci if you want to. She will likely still need help getting back to sleep each time she stirs at night though. Unless of course the change in feeds helps.

[Alisa masik]

o i understand, but again somedays like today she was very picky about bf. she ate both sides only in the morning, all the rest of the feeds' were after 2-3 hours she wasnt very hungry so she ate less , every feed.i belive its because of teething , although as you know it can continue forever    , so we had  much more bf than 4 but not very efficient. and so she woke up at 9:30 to eat. ate  fully and now she is up again but not eating just stirring .
so i m really concern about her day calories  cause she refuses to more BF and solids as well.

[*Ali*]

You might have to just ride it out if it is caused by teething.

Have you tried medicating if she is in pain? Or other things like a frozen wash cloth, chilled teether, teething powders etc.