10 month old troubles

[babyrose]

Lewis and Leo are now 10 months (10 wks corrected) for the past couple of months we have been doing

7:00 wu
7:30 eat
8:30 b/fast
10:25 sleep (1.5)
12:00 eat
13:00 lunch
15:20 sleep (1.5)
17:00 eat
18:00 dinner
19:45 eat
20:15 bed

Most of the time the morning nap is the best one but recently the cry when I put them down but still sleep. The afternoon nap is the the same but then wake 45-1hr later and can't settle them and nw's are increasing and ew's are getting earlier are they are not settling. Before they would wake and go back to sleep til I got them up at 7.ive been trying to hold on to this as long as I can but they don't like it!

Thanks Nicola

[becj86]

Hi Nicola,

I reckon you're heading into nap capping territory. Its best to keep one nap unlimited (though if >2hr, that can be capped), so you can pick one to chop. I think its safest to have a longer first nap pushed later and then cap the second nap short to preserve BT. Pushing that first nap later should help with the EW as would capping it. That gives the best chance at getting at least one good nap in each day because you can always try again in the PM is AM goes to pot

Sometimes its a matter of deciding what fits best with your family. DS did really well for a time with 2 x 1hr nap but we struck some issues with extending either nap before going to 1 nap and that made it tricky because he was out of the habit of sleeping 1.5hr+ Some LO's do better with a short CN in the AM and then a long PM nap.

Either way, I'd increase that first A time pronto

[babyrose]

Hi, thanks for replying so quick😀 it does sound like things are needing a change with the sleeping but I knew how tricky things can get.

I think long am nap and short pm would be fine, I'm heading back to work in a couple of wks so df will be in charge! So better for him to get them a longer sleep in the morning (he 4:30pm til 2:30 am) so he can chill for a bit.

So where do you think we should go with how much sleep and A times etc?

[becj86]

Perhaps moving with incremental increases towards something like this:

7 - WU
11 - nap (1.5-2hr)
12:30/1 - wake
4/4:30 - CN (start off at 45min but the can be cut as time goes on)
7/7:30 - BT (depending on how they are going)

I reckon that transition could be done in a couple of weeks ready for you to go back to work if you do it in 10min increments. WDYT? That sort of routine should then be able to stay pretty static for another month or two at least I'd imagine.

[babyrose]

Sounds good to me and hopefully another couple of months out of this new routine!

Do you think 15 min increments would be too much for them?


Do you think this would workout with milk and solids,

7:00 wu
7:15 eat
7:45 b/fast ( I need to leave house at 8:45 for school)
11:00 sleep (1.5)
12:30 eat
13:30 lunch
16:00 sleep (45mins)
16:45 eat
17:15 dinner
? Eat not sure about our b/time routine yet if it was a 19:00 it can take 45mins to 1hr to bath them both and feed them.

What do you think?

[becj86]

Yep, looks like it should work. I think 15min increments should be ok by 10 months. They're really starting to get closer to their chronological age now wrt routine aren't they

[babyrose]

That's great will head for that routine. It certainly looks like it!

[babyrose]

I thought I would drop in with an update. So yesterday we got up to 4 hrs two naps where they don't wake and no fussing when I put them in the cot.

But still getting ew's anytime from 4:45 to 6 and its more lewis but Leo still wakes once or early.

Not sure what to think really!

[becj86]

How's the routine looking now?

How are they behaving when they wake?

[babyrose]

Yesterday finally got a 7am wake up

7wu
7:15 milk
7:45 b/fast
10:15 (I've had to add in milk feed here as I find they are super hungry with rushing to get ready)
11 sleep 1.5
12:30/45 lunch
14:30/45 milk
16:30 sleep 45 mins
17:30/45 dinner
19:15/30 milk
20:15 bed

They seem quite happy but its hard to know as they generally are happy chilled babies. They do get a bit grumpy around 10 that's where I've added that extra milk feed and are fine after it.

[becj86]

They do get a bit grumpy around 10 that's where I've added that extra milk feed and are fine after it.

Yeah, little people need snacks or they get cranky from hunger. DS used to do that if he hadn't eaten in 2.5hr once he was active!

Maybe see how your routine settles now you've made it to 4hr, it can take a couple of days before it really has an effect on the EWs - be prepared to increase a touch more but it looks a very pretty routine for now

[babyrose]

Thanks, had a better night last night but 6:20 wu, I managed to settle them and get rhem up at 7. I get up at 6:15 and our stairs are quite creaky sometimes I think its that it just seems so much of a coincide that they wu at that time.

I will give them a few days to settle and see how we go.

[babyrose]

I think we are in for another change!  Refusing afternoon naps taking at least 10 mins for Leo and 15 for lewis.

How much increase do you think another 30 mins? And if so the afternoon nap will be cut again to preserve b/time.

If I move our day 15 mins I can still get in 30min nap and keep the same b/time?

And what about shifting the day later by 4.5 hrs we would be looking at 17.00 for cat nap bit how long do you think and also b/time?

[becj86]

You could probably start just by making the CN 15min later and waking them still at the same time, so changing the first 15min of the CN to A time which should preserve everything else ok.

[babyrose]

So the cn would be 1645 meaning 4hrs A time?  Is that what you mean?

7wu
11:15-12:45 sleep
17:00 sleep or is it 16:45 and for how long? And b/time 20:15 again?