As if newborn terrible sleep isnt enough

[Florena49]

Hi Ladies,

So we have 2 under 2 now, im trying to figure out NB sleep, meanwhile Oskars sleep has become worse. His routine for a while has been

7wu
1nap-2.30/3
7.45/8BT

We had ups and down developmental messing about etc.

Now he is generally a darling at BT and will settle no problem, sometimes needs a cuddle ones.
But his nap started being cut short.
So today was :
7.10wu
1.10nap-2.25 he woke crying so i took him and put him in our bed and he drifted off i know he wants more sleep, so im letting him sleep. Well before we would get 1.30-2 hours of solid sleep without any wakings. So im baffled, does he need later nap now?
He still wakes ones in the night...he is 22 months today

[michaeljacknnugg]

Our nap certainly pushed out before it got dropped, so worth a try I'd say!

[cath~]

I agree with PP.  But if he's waking unhappy and wants more sleep, could something like teeth be bothering him?

[trimbler]

Another option could be to push BT a little so his night is a tiny bit shorter and then he'll be more tired after 6h A and might nap longer... But on balance I think I'd push the nap as PPs have said

[Florena49]

Well if all fails teeth will be my anwser, fornthe last coie of days Maks strategically starts crying when Oskar is asleep, he has woken him up 2 in a row now

[cath~]

Oh no

((Hugs)) you must be shattered.

How are things going?

[Florena49]

Medicated Oskar to see if that makes a difference for a couple of days, it doesnt. He wakes after 1.20 mins and cries, as i have Maks either strapped to ne in ergo or i leave him in his seat and take Os and snuggle him on our bed and he will sleep another 40 mins easily.
So i guess my next step is to move nap by 15 mins and see what that does.

So wu 7 ( 9 times out of 10 he will wake at 7)
Nap 1.15-3
Bt 8

And ill see what that does.

[trimbler]

Let us know how it goes

[cath~]

how are things going with the later nap?

[Florena49]

Havent managed a later nap, had doctors appts for the kids, i dont think anyone considers toddler sleep when they give out appt tomes in the middle of the day. So we will try for the next couple of days. Would u do a later nap even if Oskar woke earlier in the morning , so say 6.30 and not 7 am

[michaeljacknnugg]

I would tend to. My DS was regularly up at 5.30am or earlier and still didn't nap until 2pm.

[cath~]

Would u do a later nap even if Oskar woke earlier in the morning , so say 6.30 and not 7 am

yeah, I would try and stick to it

how are things going?

[Florena49]

Oskar has been waking at 6 or even before that in the last couple of days, which is so unlike him, and now i know why he has come down with a cold, needless to say he barely makes it to 1 at the moment, went to sleep at 12.50 and slept for 2 hours.

[trimbler]

Aw poor thing, hope that decent nap did him some good

[cath~]

Hope he's over it and feels better soon x

[Florena49]

He seems to be better but his sleep is worse, he will be 2 in october could this be developmental?
 He staryed waking earlier, which means that he can barely make to 1 and he is OT bu then and usually wakes after 50 minites crying, easy to resettle though. He has also started crying ay BT, i mean he messes about sometimes and calls for us, but mever genuine tears, DH was putting
Him to bed yesterday and he just wouldnt let him go, everytime he left the room he burst into tears.
Today was
 6wu
1-3nap
8bt

He settled ok, but woke 8.40 and wanted to get into bed with us, he was sobbing bless
Him

[cath~]

Hi there

DD1 has always had a bit of wonky sleep/BTs just before her birthdays so it could certainly be that.

he just wouldnt let him go, everytime he left the room he burst into tears.

This could certainly be developmental. My DD1 had much more SA at BT just before her birthdays.

6wu
1-3nap
8bt

This doesn't look bad but was he asleep at 8pm or was that when you put him down?  How was the night and what time was WU the next day? I did wonder if he could also be a touch UT at BT with just 5hr A time after a 2 hr nap.  Might not be enough at this age... You could be in an UT/OT loop with long naps leading to short nights and then him being tired the next day leading to another long nap..

How is he when he's awake?  Any SA or signs of anything going on?

[Florena49]

Hi Cath

Ues asleep at 8, generally it isnt a problem, sometime he will call me or DH ones and it just takes laying him down and kissing him good night and he is off to sleep.

Today was 7wu, nap 1-3 (woke after 1.10mins, but easily resettled and asleep straight away) will aim for 8pm BT but will see how it goes tonight.

His cold is gone, so providing he wakes 7ish tomorrow and has a decent night will move to 1.15 and see how that works out.

His nights have become worse, he is very restless and will cry out often, which again is unusual for him. Generally he woke once around 3am and it would be very easy to resettle and he would sleep until 7.
Today after 2 hour nap he was happy didnt cry when he woke, wanted to get out of the cot straight away and go downstairs, if he only has 1.10 mins he is whiney and tearful. So i guess it is a matter of shortening the nap for him and seeing if the nap waking goes.

[cath~]

Hi - so sorry I haven't made it back to this for ages (birthday celebrations in our house took up more time than expected!).

Pleased he's over his cold. How has the last week been?

His nights have become worse, he is very restless and will cry out often, which again is unusual for him.

This was how my DD1 was with dev leaps around this age.

Does he have any SA during the day or just at BT?  I wonder if some of his insecurity could be adjusting to the new baby too?  It's a lot of change for them when a new sibling arrives isn't it.

[Florena49]

He is adjusting to a little one in the family and i guess it doesnt help that there is some developmental stuff going on. I wouldnt say he has SA during the day, but he has become scared of things that never bothered him before. Any loud noises, bangs, even the hoover. We dont scare him, we just dont play games like that you know, so im not sure where did that come from. Could this also be developmental and his imagination playing tricks, as it develops.
He woke at 7 today
Webt to bed at 1-3
And now ready for bed with DH, hopefully asleep by 8.

So im wondering if it all to do with his development rather a need to change the routine. But i will see what time he wakes tomorrow

[cath~]

he has become scared of things that never bothered him before. Any loud noises, bangs, even the hoover. We dont scare him, we just dont play games like that you know, so im not sure where did that come from. Could this also be developmental and his imagination playing tricks, as it develops.

Yeah, I think it's pretty typical/common.  Esp during dev leaps with L I see she's a lot more sensitive too/scared of loud noises, for example.

It does sound to me like a lot could be developmental.  I think IIWM I'd keep his routine as it is for now as it looks pretty good.  Maybe once he's sleeping more soundly at night again though he might need a tweak.