9 month old EW, NW, 2-1 and daytime savings time

[Bella89]

Hi, that's me again;)

So there is really not much that has changed with us unfortunately :/

5 WU but plays in the cot until 6
6:00 get dressed
7:00 bottle
10-11:30 nap1
12:30 bottle
2 lunch
3:30 or 4-5 nap 2 1h long
5:30 dinner
7:30 bottle
8:00 asleep

I am still trying to push that first A time, but it's not really working. He is not OT but rather falls asleep wherever he is like on the playmat:)
I made a rule, no sleep before 10 am. It's 5h for him since 5am, but I hope maybe it will turn to 6 or 7 one day:/

He also wakes up at night 5-6 times. I have to put him down, words do nothing:( Do you think I should just teach him for a few nights?

[Kellyjs]

Ok, if pushing that first A time isn't working, we could try plan b and make the pm nap the longer one. Wdyt? Is he back to taking that pm nap consistently now?

So what we could do is cap that first nap back to 45mins for now, but still pd at 10am. Keep the second nap at the slightly earlier time of 3.30pm amd hope for a longer nap there. I have a feeling we will need to cap the first nap further but it's a good starting point to see?

I would keep with what you're doing with the pd at night. As lomg as you're just putting him back down and not rocking him back to sleep or anything I doubt you'd cause an issue. I do think that is developmental and being consistent  telling him it's still night time and to go back to sleep will eventually work itself out xx

[Bella89]

Yes, he is now taking 2 good naps. But there is no rule, to be honest when it comes to afternoon nap. One time he would be sleepe at 3:30, yesterday fell asleep at 5:/ Morning nap is 1.5h (no need to wake him past 3 days) and afternoon nap (1-1,5h I almost always have to wake him up)

I think I found a source of NW, and I have to say, I feel ashamed. It was COLD:( My DH pointed out, that we like colder air at night, but we have each other and we use extra blanket. DS only had regular sheets. I combined 2 blankets for him and dressed him well. 1NW and slept 8:30-6:30. I learned from my mistake I think, sadly. Or maybe it was just coincidence, we will see...

So it's now 11.10 he is asleep. That's why I don't know what to do anymore. There will be days A and days B I think:/ To my son's choosing and mood:p

I think I will still try to push first A time for a week. I will see what will happen. I know there will be good and bad days. I will keep you posted:)

PS. How is it that yesterday was a diseaster and today I am so well rested and ready to work again. It's a rollercoster with them, isn't it?

[Kellyjs]

Always a roller coaster!! And we keep second guessing ourselves too..

Yay to the lack of NW's. These DH's have a use don't they  . Don't be ashamed at all hun, we're constantly told not to let them overheat, so it's really hard to know. I've just gone through this recently with choosing a new duvet for DD, I have no clue  .

Do keep me posted hun and I hope it continues to get better for you xx

[Bella89]

Hi,
I wanted to update you and ask for your opinion. I don't know if we moved from our previous place, but there is no EW anymore and only 2 NW where there is definite improvement on getting him back down.
We still use paci, but he is less dependent on it I think. There are day naps when he falls asleep without it. At night, he needs it when NW.
We're in the process of erupting second upper one. Teething is much worse now, with upper teeth. His solids intake dropped and we rely almost completely on bottle:/ He would take few spoons and turn his head.I don't push him:/

This is our routine.
This is when his teething is worse. He is very sleepy then, so I let him sleep as long as he needs:
6:30 WU, potty, getting dressed
7:30 8oz bottle
9:00 solids
11-1 nap1
1:30 8oz bottle
2:30 dinner
4:30-6 nap 2
6 supper
7:30 bath
8:00 8oz bottle, BT prep
8:30 asleep

This is on better days:
6:30 WU, potty, getting dressed
7:30 8oz bottle
9:00 solids
11-12 nap1
1:00 8oz bottle
2:00 dinner
5:00-6:00 nap 2,
6 supper
7:30 bath
8:00 8oz bottle, BT prep
8:30 asleep

Thing I noticed is his 2 naps are getting closer together if he sleeps 1h nap1. Also, I always have to wake him up from nap2. He is always sleepy, cranky and it takes good 30min for him to get up. That pospones his supper so we do bottle and some solids as 1 meal at 7:30-8.

What are your thoughts?
When done with teeth I think I'd rather cap his first nap and go with earlier second nap. Pushing nap 1 is not really working:/

[Kellyjs]

Hi Isabella, Some bubbas totally go off solids when they're teething so don't worry about it. I remember the only thing DD would eat was roasted sweet potato! That worked up until she was 18mo and teething canines!!

We can totally try capping the first nap hun, it's all a case of trial and error with the silly 2-1. We will find what works. Unfortunately it's not a great idea to tweak whilst teething and hopefully you should get a break from that soon. I can pretty much predict he'll be on one nap before 1yo so hopefully you'll have a break before the 1yo molars erupt.

What is really interesting is that he'll go down for the night with the first routine you posted. That's such a short A but obviously what he's happy with. I think you're doing brilliantly hun. You're obviously catering to his needs and not being too regimented in your nap lengths. I would really just go with the flow for now then when he's over his bout of teething, we'll reassess ok? Xx

[Bella89]

Thank you so much that you're with me 
Yes, teething is getting to us. He is so sleepy, especially that runny nose came into play last night. He woke up like 6 or 7 times obviously. Had to help him with frida 2 times:/Threw up this morning after breakfast. I seriously thing it's all teething. No fever and good mood beside that.
He was on 1 3h nap yesterday from 11-2 and BT at 7:30. He did it like a champ:)
I just go with the flow as you can see

[Kellyjs]

That 3hr nap sounds lovely! make the most of it while you can! And a reasonable BT too, bet that was nice for you  . Celebratory glass of wine was in order I'm sure 

I know it's tough with the NW's but at least he is catching up with sleep, that's always a bonus. Some little bubbas get so OT during these teething episodes and that must be tough on them as well xx

[Bella89]

Hi, just wanted t update the situation.
So we are still on 2 naps most of the time, 1 is 2h and the other around 45 min. Nothing really changed that much.
I didn't have much time to work on better EASY as we're just coming out of our first cold and 4th tooth is coming out:/
To be honest I am just concerned with not causing any AP right now as DS is so fussy that I just can't deal sometimes. Runny nose is just horrible!
Nights are better if he is not in pain. He WU at 5 and goes back to sleep till 7 most days.
As soon as we're good I will start capping first nap to 1h maybe and keep the other early and longer.
How are you?

[Kellyjs]

I'm great hun thanks for asking. I would leave everything as is if it's going well! Sometimes they can hold this for a little while. I'd just watch out for that 2hr nap shortening or problems settling for BT. Pop back when you need to! Xx

[Bella89]

Oh that's me again:) I am proud to announce that or DS is officially on 1 nap for about a week! I surely hope it stays that way, as I noticed he sleeps better.No NW:)
We do have some trouble with eating because of teething and runny nose, but as long as he eats enough formula, I am not worried about dehydration.
I wanted to ask though, is EW a normal stage of the transition?
Before, he was going to bed 8-8.30. Aftr 2-1 our BT is 6.30-7.00. He wakes 5:30-6.15 now, in comparison to 7-8 before. The nap is 1.5-2.5h depending on a day.

[Kellyjs]

Yay to the one nap! 

EW could be a sign of OT. Do you notice a difference with the EW on the days the nap is shorter? Xx

[Bella89]

That might be acurate. When he sleeps 2,5 h or naps in the stroller in the afternoon, he wakes 6:30. When the nap is shorter he wakes at 5:/
Do you think BT at 6is not to early then? Or, what do I have to loose anyways...
Maybe I should go back to short afternoon naps.Wdyt?

[Kellyjs]

perhaps move the nap 20mins or so later initially and see how long he naps for. It might even need to be pushed slightly later again in time. Hopefully that'll get you to a later BT in time.

What I'm thinking is if we can only expect 11hrs ONS we might need to try and push the whole day later. That being said, if the A time to BT is too long that could well be affecting him and causing the EW. That's why I think if we try moving the nap a little later we can get closer to a 2hr nap more often than not. Problem is if we continually aim for a 6pm BT, a 5am wu might become the norm, so we might have to consider moving the whole day like we do with daylight savings once the nap is in the right place for him.

If he does short nap, an odd 6pm BT will work as it'll give him the opportunity to catch up on missed sleep, but if the nap is long enough and just not in the right place the 5am wu would be expected. Do you see what I mean or am I waffling?  xx

[Bella89]

Yes, basically a nap too late in the day he might confuse it with BT. I would expect it to happen, really. It was always difficult to shorten that nap. We would end up with a lot of crying.
This is how it is with him - 11 hours of NS. As soon as we moved BT from 8 to 7 he started waking early.
I know he can do 5h A time and that is his optimum. I will try to extend it to 5.5 so we would end up with: (ideally)
7WU
12:30-2.30 nap
8 BT right?

He woke up at 8 this morning and I put him down at 1. We had 2 sleepless hours of simply not wanting to sleep and crying middle of the night, I think he needs to catch up on sleep some more. I was sure we have at least 2 week break with teeth when his upper 1 broke through, but I don't know now. He eats only plain bread and milk for 4 days now, his runny nose got worse again today, and man, does he bites!! That's his new thing, bite me when I expect it the least:(

Thank you for everything!