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Can't work out good nap schedule for 11mth old
« on: November 01, 2015, 13:27:07 pm »
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Given all of my past posts, it's obvious LO is transitioning 2-1naps.  I'm really stuck working out her naps though.  The reason is, she is refusing naps earlier than 11am (regardless of wake up time in am). This would be fine, but she will only nap for 1hr. No resettling works. The problem is, she is then refusing the afternoon nap. It means she is then up from 12.45 to bedtime.  She then will usually fall sleep feeding, wake as I try to put her down (EVERY.SINGLE.TIME!!!). She is then a struggle to get to sleep (takes 1.5-2hrs).  Then wakes often at night.  I guess she's overtired for sure, but I'm lost of what to do.  How do I get her to nap longer than an hour? 

What is the latest you'd let LO nap until the day? Then what time do you aim for bedtime?  I'm thinking about trying a late nap of 5pm and then a LATE bedtime.  I don't want to, but I don't know how else to ride this transition out.





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Re: Can't work out good nap schedule for 11mth old
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2015, 15:25:48 pm »
I tried putting her down for nap at 3.30, then 4.30, she wouldn't.  Didn't seem tired enough.  Was tired about 5.15.  Too early for bedtime and surely too late for nap. Ugh!





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Re: Can't work out good nap schedule for 11mth old
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2015, 18:27:49 pm »
5.15/5.30 can de done as an EBT hun. It has worked for some. Let's crack this for you, I know it's driving you up the wall. What's the idea wu for the day and BT? If you could post what the last two days looked like in real time, it'll give us something to go on.

Few more questions too while I'm here. How does she cope with it generally? Is she STTN with only an hour nap or are there NW's, if so when are they and for how long? Sorry for the Spanish Inquisition, it'll just help us formulate a plan for you  ;) xx



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Re: Can't work out good nap schedule for 11mth old
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2015, 04:24:10 am »
Thanks for helping.  IT IS driving me crazy, especially seeing I feel like I'm locked away with her throughout the day, trying to get her to nap.  It's tricky with three other little people to look after.

My ideal wake up for the day would be around 7.  Ideal BT 6.30 or even 7.30pm.
She has NEVER slept through the night and has only woken once a night a handful of times.  In general if she wakes around 10.30/11, I feed, but after that I usually resettle without a feed (Except for last night...oops!)

Yesterday's routine
6.30am (miracle in its self, usually wakes at 5).
10.30 - offered nap, played in crib for a while then wanted to get up
11.45 napped, although needed to help to fall asleep because overtired.
12.45 - woke unhappy but, happy the rest of the day
3.30, didn't seem tired, offered a nap.  No go - couldn't settle.
4.30 nap offered.  Couldn't get to sleep.
5.15 - sleep signs.  Breastfed in the playroom to keep awake
6pm bed.  Went to sleep easily
8pm - woke, resettled with help
11pm - woke, fed to sleep
4am - woke and feed
5am, woke, tried to resettle, couldn't. Fed, dozed on breast.
6am awake

The day before
5.30 woke for the day
9.30 nap offered.  Not tired enough
10.30 - napped
11.30 woke
Never seemed tired but nap refused at 2.30, 3.30.
I got home late 6.30 BT
woke 2hrly from 10.30pm





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Re: Can't work out good nap schedule for 11mth old
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2015, 04:28:07 am »
There was a time she was napping 2-3hrs a day, even in one block.  I can't work out why she is capping her naps at 1hr no matter what.





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Re: Can't work out good nap schedule for 11mth old
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2015, 09:21:01 am »
This morning she woke at 5 but dozed until about 6.  She was then ready for a nap and went down well at 11am.  Let's see what today brings...





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Re: Can't work out good nap schedule for 11mth old
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2015, 13:55:16 pm »
I think what's driving you nuts is the inconsistency of it all isn't it hun?

I wonder if the problem is an UT/OT loop is going on there. We can pretty much assume 2 naps is off the table as she keeps refusing them and the first nap, she desont sleep longer than an hour actually leading me to believe she's actually a tad UT. And that's with 5hrs A firs thing.

So how do you feel about set nap and BT? It may get worse before it gets better but at least you have a plan and timings to keep to? Wdyt?

I was going to suggest a 12pm nap time irrelevant of what time she wakes (keep doing as you're doing though with keeping her in her room until at least 6am, 6.30 letter obviously). Then dependent on nap length. Do BT at around 6.30pm. The idea with set nap and BT is that it gives them chance to regulate their body clock and hopefully in time the wu and naps will settle for you. The nap may need to be moved on, or BT be moved later, but I think this is a good place to start.

With set nap and BT, the nap can be up to 15mins earlier and BT up to 30 mins earlier if the nap is rubbish, but basically you stick to these times for at least a week and see how it goes. Wdyt? Sound a like a plan? Xx

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Re: Can't work out good nap schedule for 11mth old
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2015, 16:33:56 pm »
Yay, thank you! Yes, the inconsistency was bothering me and her.  She's a routine girl too, so it does make sense to stick to a set routine.  After going to bed at 11am this morning (5hr wake time), she slept 2.5hrs - wohoo!!! I then put her to bed at 6.30pm.  Seeing she slept so well going to bed at 11am, should I keep it at that time for a while and slowly move to 12pm or go 12pm cold turkey?

Guess we'll see what the night will bring....





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Re: Can't work out good nap schedule for 11mth old
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2015, 18:07:25 pm »
Amazing! Yay!

I'm actually thinking the good nap happened because the night was so disturbed and technically she was awake from 5am. After a good night sleep (ish) the other day and a later wu, 11.45am nap still yielded an UT one which is why I thought 12pm might work. So with learning all this, I definitely think a set nap and BT will work well for you both.

Problem that we have is that today after a 2.5hr nap, it will be interesting to see how long the night sleep will be. We might only expect 11hrs, absolute bonus if she does anymore. You did absolutely the right thing btw putting her to bed at 6,30pm as it's still quite a long A to BT so I'm not saying you've done anything wrong there ok? However, if she does wake at 5.30am and won't go back down we know she's had a good amount of sleep overall yk? Just to prepare you  ;). After tonight and wu tomorrow morning, it'll help us plan a good routine for you wrt BT as well.

If the night does go reasonably well tonight and she does wake up around 5.30am and you keep her in bed as long as possible ie till around 6am, fancy trying 11.45am then so we meet in the middle? I just think we might need to move BT back a bit in time if she does start napping well and in order to do that we need to push the nap time later so it's not too long to BT. If she ends up OT and gives us mixed signals as to her night sleep and nap length requirements, it'll be hard to tell where the nap needs to be. Dy see what I mean or am I rambling?!  ;) xx




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Re: Can't work out good nap schedule for 11mth old
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2015, 10:19:50 am »
You're amazing.  I'm really appreciative of your insight!
So BT at 6.30pm meant she grizzled on and off for about an hour before going to sleep (asleep by 7.30).  Not sure if that was over or under tired.  It had an overtired feel to it.  She then woke about 3 hourly throughout the night.  Woke at 5am, but then back to sleep in bed with me until 6.30am. 

I do see what u mean.  I'll keep aiming for a 12pm bedtime.  Today we managed 11.30 because I was feeding her at 11 and she started napping on me, so I made her wake and put her to bed (to avoid a 10min nap for the day).  She took a little while to fall asleep because she counted that doze as a nap 😋.  She was asleep by 11.40am.  Guess we'll see what happens.






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Re: Can't work out good nap schedule for 11mth old
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2015, 10:29:32 am »
I was thinking about the BT.  If she keeps waking about 2.30pm, will we need to push the bedtime to about 7.30 or will that create an overtired monster? She just seems to need long awake times.  Surely this isn't normal for an 11mth old.... 😛





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Re: Can't work out good nap schedule for 11mth old
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2015, 11:43:54 am »
Time will tell hun. Some prefer a longer last A time, some a longer first one. I have only seen one bubba who liked it right in the middle so far! It's a case of watching for the signs to see which one she prefers.

I did the set nap and BT thing with my DD at 10mo. I was exactly like you and fed up of it all. And mine was also prone to short naps.

I pushed my DD to 12pm, finally got a couple of 2hr naps, but quickly settled on 1.5hrs. But we were getting OT NW's after the first sleep cycle or two after BT. That's why I knew I had the shift the nap closer to 12.30pm for her to deal with it. There we stayed for over a year. Oh that was a lovely year of 2hr naps   ::). So miss that now!

What we need to find for yours is that time that has her napping consistently for 2odd hours and BT is not a struggle one way or another. Time will tell hun as we work through it. I just think the set nap and BT option let's us see a pattern easier when they refuse a second nap. This way we can just tweak it a little. Hope the nap goes well for you today xx



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Re: Can't work out good nap schedule for 11mth old
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2015, 18:42:13 pm »
So today's schedule and results thus far (it's 8.30pm).
5.30 - wake, fed back to sleep
6.30 - wake for the day
11.30 - 1.30 nap
6.50pm (to be exact!) bed - went to sleep quietly like a dream.  No sadness, no crying AT ALL, very peaceful.  Only started to get tired about 6.30, so top up feed and put down awake at 6.50pm.





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Re: Can't work out good nap schedule for 11mth old
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2015, 19:44:35 pm »
Yay and yay!!!  ;D how do you feel? Better?

Ok, let's hold this for the next week, exactly like this if you can ok? I still think that nap might have to be pushed a tad later in time, but this is looking like a great starting point xx



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Re: Can't work out good nap schedule for 11mth old
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2015, 19:05:41 pm »
Me again!
All has been a bit over the place with LO getting Croup and ear infection at the same time.  I have a slight problem that kneed help tweaking.  LO (and mummy) has settled into a one nap a day routine well.  For a while she was napping about 11.30-1.30/2.  Then BT about 6.30/7.

I find though that if I put her to bed for a nap at 12.15/12.30 she will nap till 3.00/3.30.  Either way she takes for ever to settle again at night not falling asleep till about 9 (I try from about 7.30 and it takes FOREVER!).  I'm assuming it's because she slept too much in the day.

How long should LO be napping for in the day? I thought you just let them go when they only have one nap a day.  Do I go back to an earlier day nap? She happily goes to sleep anytime from 11.30-1pm.





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