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Re: 10 month old bread and bottle phase:)
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2016, 22:31:55 pm »
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Looking at your EASY I would be inclined to change things a little now he is almost 1yo.  Perhaps bring breakfast earlier (9am), put a morning snack in at around 10.30am (a wedge or two of fruit or a couple of sticks of steamed veggies), then make the 12pm a proper lunch.  Small snack after nap around 3ish and dinner 4.30/5pm.  So dropping that mid-day milk.
If you are not sure about changing the routine though wait a few days or a week and his appetite may pick up again.

A few other thoughts.
I think he has like 3 slices of white bread a day
Well, I'm not sure how big a slice is where you are or what sort of bread. In the UK sliced shop-bought bread is pretty high in salt (higher than most other countries) so I wouldn't have given my under-1yo 3 slices per day, about half to one slice per day would have been the absolute max I would have even offered in a whole day.

what would you do if you offer a meal and LO would not even take a bite? Would you offer something else or let LO skip a meal at that time?
Personally I'd probably offer something else, 1 other item, a small piece of fruit say. Otherwise I'd just accept he is either not hungry or his mouth hurts from teething.  There is always another meal later, or BT milk. He will be fine, and perhaps if not cajoled into eating when he is not really hungry then he will increase his appetite for the next meal and be more inclined to eat what's offered.

he knows he can make me give him bread.
Honey he can't 'make' you do anything.
He can ask for it, he can make fists, he can even scream in your face but he cannot make you give him bread (in exactly the same way that you can't make him eat, you can put the food to his mouth, you could use a firm voice or shout but you cannot make him eat).  I would put a small (very small, a quarter square) piece of bread on his tray at the beginning of the meal and tell him that's all there is (I see no need to totally deny the bread just reduce it to a small portion).  If he eats it and asks for more you say "No more bread, you can have your (cheese or whatever it is) or you can get down, which? Want this?" hold out a finger of food for him to take or pick up a wedge from his tray and show him then put it down and leave it. Don't tell him to eat, don't tell him he can have more bread if he eats his cheese, just let him decide. Better still if you are eating and enjoying your food and he can see you are.
You *can* decide how much bread you give him. You *can't* force him to eat. I do think you will feel better in yourself once you are clear what you can and can't do, what control you have and what control you don't have.

I think I got upset talking to a friend that said about her 6month old that when she turns her head or squirms she would just use a firm voice and make her sit straight.
Friends are not always helpful, if your friend chooses this approach when it seems her LO is indicating she is full then that is her choice of parenting style.  Besides, it's quite different with an almost 1yo.
The thing is, raising your voice, using a firm voice over food, it raises the tension. You really want to aim for meal times to be pleasant times when the family come together to socialise and enjoy sharing healthy food.  You don't want to teach your LO that meal times are times of stress which no one enjoys.

I would think of adapting the meals to just give him finger foods. An omelette can be sliced into strips for him to pick up himself, no spoon needed. Not sure how big the rabbit pieces were but I would imagine he could pick bits up himself.  Things with lots of sauce I strained/scraped off and put the sauce to one side and the meat and veggies in small piles so it wasn't all mixed up for my DS, he preferred it this way so he could see clearly what each food item was.

You'll get through this you know, you really will xx


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Re: 10 month old bread and bottle phase:)
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2016, 14:58:33 pm »
I think you opened my eyes a little to the fact that he will not starve to death in these few days if he drinks his milk. I am worried about his appetite, but maybe it's teething. He has some mild diarrhea today.

Earlier I even thought he swallowed something and just doesn't want bigger chunks only water and milk. He sometimes signs vomit to the foods that he ate and liked before i.e. oatmeal. But now I think he would cry or be in pain if something would stuck in his throat, right?

You are right about bread. I think I preferred he eat something than nothing, but it got to a point when my intuition told me it's too much. I was more worried about gluten than salt really, but that's an important thing to consider as well.

This is what I will do, offer one more thing and let him be. He didn't eat anything at 3. I offered salmon and pasta for finger food, than steamed carrots:/ We will see if he will want anything in 30min. It's 4 now and he is cheerful;]

I think I have a good knowlenge of how we should teach him eat and behave at the table and how to do it. I just lack experience in implementing it. I know I can only guide him. I really don't like stressing about eating, so I will back down and watch his appetite. I think I am much more relaxed now past 2 feeds..

I think I will keep 3 MF for now, and do as suggested by you when he will be better. We're fighting a rash on his belly right now and I had to eliminate cow's milk anyhow.

Thank you so much. I know it will get better soon as it is really ups and downs with DS, but I also know it's just a beginning ;]

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Re: 10 month old bread and bottle phase:)
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2016, 18:36:07 pm »
We're fighting a rash on his belly right now and I had to eliminate cow's milk anyhow.
Obviously I am not medical but a rash could be a post-viral rash which would indicate he's been poorly and possibly without you knowing, that would explain the loss of appetite and diarrhoea.

 
He sometimes signs vomit to the foods that he ate and liked before i.e. oatmeal.
Do you mean he uses sign language (I wouldn't have though 'vomit' would be one people taught but I don't know) or do you mean he begins to gag, bringing it back up?

glad to hear you are feeling a bit better about things.  If you are concerned about something he may have swallowed or about his food intake or about the rash a trip to the doc might help settle your mind.
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Re: 10 month old bread and bottle phase:)
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2016, 10:59:59 am »
Hello again :)

So the rash turned to be an allergy to eggs as our ped says. Not that he is allergic it's just 4 eggs a week (scrumbled, omlette, in a soup, in muffins so total 4/5) was just too much for him. We managed that and he is clear yay!. We can start eggs next week but 1 at a time and observe next 2 days if he is fine :) It wasn't cosmetics or laundry detergent (although I switched that one just to be sure), so that leaves us with eggs or diapers. It's so difficult to sort that out:(

He started eating egain! I was looking at his meals and I think he has deffinitelly too much milk (30oz) as for an almost 1yo that needs to start his adjustment to grown up food.

I gave him lunch today at 11:30, but he was too tired for a meal. He couldn't even sit up straight:/ After few spons of soup I've put him down. So that got me thinking.. Do you think I could just do a snack before the nap? I mean, I'll see how long will he sleep now, but him being tired I don't know if he can handle a meal before.

SO it would look like this

8:00 milk
9:30 breakfast
11:00 snack
12-2 nap hopefully
2:30 or 3 lunch
5 dinner
7:00 milk

I have a feeling that this could work for us, but on the other hand I don't know if I feel good about his 2 main meals being in the afternoon:/

What do you think?
Thank you for helping me.

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Re: 10 month old bread and bottle phase:)
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2016, 11:18:27 am »
The only things I'd suggest to think about in your suggested routine would be bring the lunch a bit earlier so 2pm or as soon as he is willing to eat following his nap, then add in a snack and water around 3pm, with dinner around 4.30/5pm.

The other thing you can allow for is for him to eat as much as he likes for the 'snack' at 11am and call this a lunch or split lunch. Lots of people do split lunch around the nap.  I remember mine having 'snack' which was more like lunch at 10.30 (the planned routine was 11am however we were at baby and toddler groups a few mornings per week where they gave snack out earlier and he was not happy with one or two little bits of snack so I used to take a packed lunch for him).

There are no 'rules' about what snack and lunch have to be so it is possible to prepare a 'meal' and just offer a snack sized portion or then offer more if he seems hungry and wants more. Then keep the rest aside ready for 2pm.

I don't know if I feel good about his 2 main meals being in the afternoon:/
It's also ok to give a 'main meal' at breakfast. There's no rule about breakfast being cereal, you could always save a portion of the evening meal to offer at breakfast time.  Many LOs eat better in the morning or early afternoon hours and less at 5pm, if this is the case for your DS then giving a more varied breakfast could be the answer.


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Re: 10 month old bread and bottle phase:)
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2016, 19:47:01 pm »
That helps a lot! Thank you so much.

He is so grown up now. He wants finger food more and more these days. Also, I think I have to get out of my head the thought that he is not able to eat enough with his hands. Meaning I can get more in him with a spoon - that's true, but I know he will eat as much as he needs. I just like to know that he had a good meal, full and ready to play.

I feel like I am feeding him all the time, more frequent then when BF to be honest. But I know it's the healthy w3ay to go. More but smaller portions. Is it right to say that ultimately (without formula at all) we want 3 meals and 2 snacks? Although, I think I don't mind milk from a straw cup at breakfast or before bed even when he is 2yo.

I have a feeling weaning that midday bottle will be hard, but it's high time to do it. As you said. I will try earlier to avoid him being sleepy.

Thanks again!

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Re: 10 month old bread and bottle phase:)
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2016, 08:50:23 am »
You might be surprised at just how easy the mid day milk drop goes.  I often found I was more concerned about things than my DS was.  If you offer a solid meal (finger foods if that's what he likes) at that time you can still offer a milk drink after it if needed but the chances are he will not want it or only want a smaller portion of milk.

Is it right to say that ultimately (without formula at all) we want 3 meals and 2 snacks? Although, I think I don't mind milk from a straw cup at breakfast or before bed even when he is 2yo.
All kids need fats/calcium so unless there is a milk allergy or dislike then the milk continues right through childhood.  It may be a drink of milk (I'd say this is probably the most common) or it may be other dairy produce if LO doesn't really like milk (and milk alternatives for those who have a milk allergy).  Mine turns 5yo tomorrow and still has a big milk drink in the morning.  Many children here in the UK have milk at snack time at school (in some years this is free school milk, a little carton with a straw).
So, yes, 3 meals and 2 snacks is the aim for 12 months but there will also be 2 milk servings (in a cup or straw) in addition to those (often WU and BT but it doesn't have to be) and as he gets older it may reduce to 1 milk, which may be in addition to the meals and snacks (like my DS) or the milk might be served alongside one of the meals of snacks (like the kids at school here).

I think I said before the guides are to drop bottles at 12 months but if it's just a quick milk drink really it is not such a big deal to have 1 or 2 bottle feeds for a while after 1yo.  I dropped the bottles at 12 months as I was fed up of the whole sterilising thing and was a bit of a stickler of following the 'rules' but those guides about not using bottles are really more important for LOs who are using a bottle all day long.


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Re: 10 month old bread and bottle phase:)
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2016, 09:35:11 am »
I think I said before the guides are to drop bottles at 12 months but if it's just a quick milk drink really it is not such a big deal to have 1 or 2 bottle feeds for a while after 1yo.

My main concern is the bottle teeth decay, and I hope if I drop the bottle he will more likely drop the paci himself (maybe it's just wishful thinking:).
My plan is to do 1 thing at a time. Midday milk, then switch BT milk to a straw cup (give him more water and food in the afternoon, so it's better for his teeth. And also he sleeps through the night but often wakes up by wet diaper so I have to change him at 4:/). Then morning milk in a straw cup as a drink to his breakfast. I think drinking in a straw cup will decrease the amount he drinks. I think it's a good plan for the next 2 months:)
 
We were talking about straw cups... I found a great one - Avent that comes with sets of brushes so it's really easy to clean:) He loves it!

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Re: 10 month old bread and bottle phase:)
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2016, 10:12:36 am »
Oh it's great you found a good straw cup he likes :)

The teeth concern - if you brush teeth after the BT milk then there is no worry about continuing the BT milk.  But I totally hear you on the wet nappy too.  I decided to drop the BT bottle because if I had to move it earlier (to brush teeth after it, and I worried this would ruin our lovely BT routine) I might as well also drop the bottle at the same time.  I introduced a 'supper' solids snack with milk in a sippy cup about an hour after dinner and about 1-1.5hr before BT.  The transition was super smooth over about a week.  I can give you more info on that if you need it.


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Re: 10 month old bread and bottle phase:)
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2016, 11:23:36 am »
Sorry, I've been busy with some family things.
So we're doing 2 bottles right now. Morning cow's milk and BT formula. I've notice that he gets hungry sooner now with morning bottle (cow's milk is less filling I guess), so I've switched it today with ouatmeal and milk in strawcup. BT bottle stays for now.

He deffinitely eats more with his hands. I try to cook finger things for him every time.

I pressure myself so much to vary his diet, but soon I realize we eat the same things over and over as well. I thing I will cut myself some slack. If he eats veggies, fruit, grain and diary in good proportions I think I shoud be ok, right?

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Re: 10 month old bread and bottle phase:)
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2016, 18:53:31 pm »
Yes it's fine :) A balanced diet is likely more important than eating a huge range of foods, there are so many different types of food available now that it can give us the impression we have to cover all of them but we don't.
You didn't have meat/fish/beans in your list for protein so that's the only thing I'd add, likely you just didn't type it out rather than not feeding him those things.


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Re: 10 month old bread and bottle phase:)
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2016, 20:01:48 pm »
Yes, he has lots of meat, 2 or 3 types of beans and we go low on fish right now as our ped said he might have got a mild alergy to it. We will give him more next week to see if it's that.
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Re: 10 month old bread and bottle phase:)
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2016, 19:27:36 pm »
You're welcome.
I'm glad to hear things are improving :)