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4 week old won't settle
« on: December 23, 2015, 21:22:31 pm »
Hi, I am after some advice & potentially reassurance that things will get better!

I have a 20 month old DD who is a great sleeper, 7.30-8 overnight & 1-3pm afternoon nap each day. Definite Angel baby with a bit of textbook. I remember her just dropping off to sleep left right & centre as a youngster, obviously there were times when she just wanted to be held but it was on occasion & not all the time.

I had my second little girl almost 4 weeks ago, and boy is she different! We have been unable to get her to settle in her basket at night time at all & she sleeps on mine or hubby's chest - even next to us in the bed won't do! She won't sleep in the day either unless in the carrier or being held, very occasionally she has fallen asleep in the pram when we are out & about & it is moving. She is totally unable to go to sleep unless on a human.

I would love to just snooze on the sofa with her all day, but I have a toddler to look after too who needs my time.
I just don't know what to do really... I am worried about the safety of her sleeping on me (she does sleep well there though - bed at 10.30, feeds around 3 & 7)
I am feeling powerless & like I & my baby are failures... I think I am right that it is too early to do pu/pd etc? Do I just have to wait until she's bigger? When can I start trying this?

From a sad, tired & clueless mummy!  ???

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Re: 4 week old won't settle
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2015, 10:37:35 am »
Oh dear honey, don't be down on yourself, you are not a failure at all. I'm sure you would hear from most of s that our little new borns needed to be on mummy or daddy, it is a very natural desire and reaction from such a young baby to want to be held, to feel the warmth, breathing and heart beat of his parents.  Sure it's totally exhausting for you though!!!!!

I remember my NB being the same, we gradually got him used to the idea (really gently) of not being quite so close, so he'd fall to sleep on us on the sofa but we were a bit more 'hands off' by for example letting him get drowsy then positioning him by me so he could feel my leg rather than being constantly held. DP used to sooth him to drowsy then lay DS on his DP's lap so again he was on someone but not being 'held'.  I also remember waiting until DS was in a deep sleep and laying him on a blanket on the floor, lowering my body down with him so we were still touching body to body, then slowly moving away. It didn't always work of course but over time it gradually got him a bit more used to sleeping without being held.
We also used the sling, which many mums here with 2 LOs seem to advise.  Sling naps mean you are hands free to care for your older child and you can approach sleep training at a later date when your NB is a little older.

Whilst PUPD is not advised at this age you can begin shush/pat method which does involve picking up when baby is upset soothing until totally calm, drowsy or even asleep and then putting down and continuing to shush/pat in the cot.  Initially you begin in arms with the shush/pat until full asleep before putting down and shush/patting to deep sleep. As LO becomes more accustomed to this you begin to put down a little earlier, so shush/pat to drowsy and nodding in arms then down into cot and continue to shsh/pat.  Later you shush/pat in arms for the WD and put LO down sleepy but awake and continue.  It's a process which takes time and which you keep moving forwards step by step.
Tracy said it took babies 20 mins to fall asleep and I found this spot on with mine, could set the clock by it.
I discovered (once I began doing this process) that DS needed to do the "seven mile stare" in exactly the same place each sleep and it needed to be a view he could see (almost the same angle) from his cot.  Mine was doing his seven mile stare over our shoulder at a sharply contrasting dark/light plant near a pale wall...and then if he woke somewhere else he was not happy.  Once I got him used to the seven mile stare from right by the cot (and even in the cot) he was happier when he opened his eyes, saw the same things, felt confident to close his eyes and go back off to sleep.  I even hung black and white geometric shapes (stripes) from his cot side to give him something contrasting to stare at. It did help.

You might also want to have a look at DR Harvey Karps five s routine. It is very similar to Tracy's 4s and fits well with the BW ethos. I found it to work almost like magic and especially helpful in those early days or during 'the witching hour'.

If you decide to begin gentle sleep training I would suggest choosing one nap a day, try do the same nap each day because babies build habits, set aside some time to help her for that one nap, then perhaps sling nap the rest so you can do things with your toddler.

I know you are tired, but you are not a failure, you have a very new baby and a toddler to care for, it is hard work.  Keep going, you will get through this. x


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Re: 4 week old won't settle
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2015, 11:22:59 am »
Thank you so much for the reply. I think I am struggling so much as I just wasn't expecting her to be like this based on DD1! It doesn't help that hubby works shifts so he is often working at night & then sleeping in the day.

Should I be trying to get her to nap in the dark, white noise, swaddled etc now? I have been unsure about when to do this as I've read that they should nap without dark etc so that they get days & nights sorted out? Obviously I have my squealy toddler downstairs in the day so probably isn't conducive to restful sleep!

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Re: 4 week old won't settle
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2015, 20:06:41 pm »
Honestly honey you choose to nap her wherever suits.

Tracy suggested naps in the cot in the dark and LO won't get day and night mixed because you will pick her up when she wakes and take her for A time in the light during the day where as at night when she wakes she'll be fed and kept in the dark and put back to sleep.

I planned to nap mine in the family room as I was so worried by the SIDS guidance I didn't dare have him in a different room to me. I set up a travel cot (like a pack and play) in there and used it for all naps and the first part of night sleep (up to the dream feed, then put him upstairs when I went to bed). It went fine for the first 10wks, he napped with people here, the TV on or whatever, I didn't darken the room or use white noise although I suppose it wasn't a 'loud' house.  Well, at 10 wks he had ideas of his own and totally refused to nap it was a night mare, but he still settled really well at night upstairs so I tried the upstairs bed (we had a hammock for him) for a nap and I swear he smiled and just went to sleep!!  I sat by his hammock most of the nap I was so worried to leave him up there alone!  Then I dug out the monitor :)
So, yk, sometimes they have ideas of their own and sometimes that's not cool and some times it's ok.  Your NB might like the comfort of hearing the family close by even if your toddler is squealy, or she may refuse to sleep until she's put in a totally blacked out room - and just to mixed things up she might change her mind as she gets older.

Honestly, if I was lucky enough to have a second LO I'd nap him in the family room again, even rocked in a stroller if needed so that I could do stuff around the house or care for my older child.  Naps in strollers (and slings) are IMO needed when there is an older child who needs taking out and about.  Mine also refused to nap in a stroller and there were times I wished I'd sleep trained in there to make going out easier.  Babies make habits per nap so if you tend to always go out in the afternoon maybe make the habit of afternoon stroller/sling naps and morning cot naps?  Just an idea. It really is your choice.

She might sleep better near Daddy (crib in same room perhaps) because she will pick up on his sleepy breathing and know he is nearby, but on the other hand he might not be too happy about broken sleep when she wakes and calls out.
I know, I'm not giving you a straight answer, only that so long as you attend to your LO it really doesn't matter, families are all different and what you choose is what's right for your family.

Have a lovely Christmas x