Predictable Unpredictability - Please help us!

[labrodyk]

Happy Mother's Day Bec!! Hope you have a fabulous day. x

We didn't make it this morning so our day is so messed up!

WU: 6.00
OOB: 6.30
E: 7.00. Solids
A:
E: 8.00. Bottle
S: 9.26; 9.30-10.06 (cot)
S: 12.40-1.20 (car)
S: 4.15-4.45 (car)
S: 5.50-5.00 (car)
BT: 7.00;  asleep by 7.30
NW: 9.05 crying for 5 minutes
NW: 3.00 stirring and crying out for a little while but settled again

WU: 6.50 first call out chatting
E: 7.30. Solids
A:
E: 9.40-9.50. Completely passed out on her bottle and in my arms when I burped her
S: ~10.20 woke when I tried to put her in her cot

[becj86]

Happy mothers' day

Maybe your present can be hubby being responsible for Miss A's sleep for a day

Try to relax about it a bit today. Tomorrow is another day. xx

[labrodyk]

Hubby was amazing and did everything for both kids yesterday. This is how he day panned out and also this morning...just can't crack even a 1.5hr nap. I'm trying so hard to push the A but she's falling asleep in my arms after I change her nappy and put down in her cot.

Sunday
WU: 6.50 first call out chatting
E: 7.30. Solids
A:
E: 9.40-9.50. Completely passed out on her bottle and in my arms when I burped her.
S: ~10.20 woke when I tried to put her in her cot. Left her to fall back asleep.
S: 11.20-12.55
E: 1.15. Solids
A:
E: 2.45. Bottle
A:
S: 3.58; 4.07-4.39. 4.41-4.44
E: 5.20. Solids
A:
E: 6.40. Bottle
BT: 7.00; 7.15

Monday
WU: 6.26
OOB: 7.00
E: 7.20. Solids
A:
E: 8.30. Bottle
S: 9.26; 9.30-10.50
E: 12.00. Solids
A:
E: 1.00. Bottle
S: 1.53; 2.00-4.03
A:
E: 4.30. Solids
A:
E: 6.00. bottle
BT: 6.23; 7.25!!!
^^ cried putting sleep bag on and going down to bed - I'm assuming UT. as she never cries at BT! I went back in and tucked her in after DH put her down but she fussed for an hour. Note to self, 2hr nap before bed can't be 2.5 A.

Also had a super long upset night waking around 3am! Couldn't get her back down until 4.30 and she was awake when I woke at 7 so not sure how long she was up


Tuesday
WU: awake when i woke at 7am.
OOB: 7.10
E: 7.20. Solids
A:
E: 8.40. Bottle
A:
S: 10.15-10.45 at the most (Pram)
E: 11.30. Solids
A:
E: 1.00. Bottle
A:
S: 1.40; 1.45-4.15 with a brief waking at 3.25-3.30.
E: 5.00. Solids
A:
E: 6.40. Bottle
BT: 7.00; 7.15 asleep
^^ Terribly unhappy after her nap. Crying constantly, only wanting to be in my arms. I wonder if teething??

[becj86]

^^ Terribly unhappy after her nap. Crying constantly, only wanting to be in my arms. I wonder if teething??

Maybe. Could also be some OT from the long A after the OT first nap - that long nap could be a nap she just crashed for, no?

Glad you had a good mothers' day

[labrodyk]

What A time should I do after a nap less than 1.5hrs? I'm pushing 3hrs currently but if she short naps the afternoon it's almost too late for a catnap (by the time she falls asleep I'd need to wake her).

Today was;

WU: 6.44
OOB: 7.00
E: 7.15. Solids
A:
E: 9.00. Bottle
S: 9.50; 9.57 - 11.06
A:
E: 11.45. Solids
A:
E: 1.30. Bottle
A:
S: 2.10-2.40 (car)
E: 4.00. Solids
A:
E: 5.30. Bottle

3hrs after a good nap, 2.5 after a short nap but that often leaves me with a 5/5.30 BT! A quick CN is hard at that time with my older ds and brings BT up to 8.30/9! 

BT tonight: 5.50. Wouldn't settle; had to rock portacot until asleep at 6.20ish only to wake crying at 8.30 and 9.30 screaming and took half an hour to settle again.

The last two days she's crashed in the afternoon twice after 3hr A.

[becj86]

3hrs after a good nap, 2.5 after a short nap but that often leaves me with a 5/5.30 BT! A quick CN is hard at that time with my older ds and brings BT up to 8.30/9!

Yeah, I can see that :-/ I guess its really down to your preference for when the long day is to get her back on track - either bite the bullet, do a late CN and make the day long and hope she sleeps later in the morning pushing BT later (though there is a risk with BT as late as 8:30-9pm that she'll have a short night due to OT) or do an EBT and hope she tacks on for a 6am waking with a longer day the next day to try to make BT later. Its really a catch 22 with those short naps which you seem guaranteed to get when driving. If you were to do a CN, you could do a very short one which wouldn't extend your BT as late, so 15-20min would only buy you another 1-1.5hr max but she would be very likely to be miserable through that A time.

[labrodyk]

Thanks for helping Bec!

She woke so often last night and was crying again at 12.30 and nothing soothed her but gave a bottle and she took ages to settle back to sleep after it. Woke at 5/6 and fell back asleep at some point and then up at 7.00. This morning at 3hr A she went down crying and only slept 30/35 minutes. Woke talking to herself and then crying after 15 minutes

[becj86]

Sounds like she's unwell/teething - that's a very unsettled night

[labrodyk]

It was so bad...one of our worsts!! Her cheeks have popped up bright red so maybe teeth?? I'm giving nurofen and doing the best I can to get her rest but kinda swimming upstream. Lol

2 x 30 minute naps today

[labrodyk]

Every night she's waking up 2-2.5hrs after bedtime crying and this can go on for ages with great difficulty settling and I end up feeding her! I don't know what to do?!

S: 9.45-10.30 a small sleep somewhere in there in the car
S: 1.08; 1.13-2.41
BT: 6.00; 6.17 asleep by.

NW: 8.40 and we're still trying to settle her 2 hours later!!! We've patted, shushed, Wi/wo, fed her (she drank it all) but still crying! Gave her teething gel and nurofen but still nothing. This is killing me and our family...

[becj86]

Is she trying to settle in between bouts of crying or just crying inconsolably? Has she been ok with nurofen before? We had 3hr of inconsolable crying with DS when I gave him nurofen - he gets horrendous gut side effects. If she's inconsolable for that long, its almost certainly pain I would say.

If she's struggling to get back to sleep, trying, then crying, then its more possible its OT - and I don't doubt it based on her day.

I just wish I could come and look after her for a day or two so you could get a rest.

[labrodyk]

I don't think it was pain, she was TRYING to settle but then couldn't and would cry again - but only brief pauses. Moaning like she was tired.

We've moved house yesterday and first night last night. I tried to give her a bottle before her bath and then cuddle and put down but no, she wouldn't settle so I ended up going back in and giving her more (by which time she fell asleep on it). So that was 7.30. 1am she woke crying and again trying to settle but no luck so again; milk but drank under 100ml and then cried when I put her back in the cot because she used it to fall back asleep whilst I was feeding her....

Thanks for the offer to help. I'm just so lost. With all the short naps she's feeding terribly. Never ever wants a bottle - whether it's before or after solids she's drinking maybe 100ml at most except for her bt one where I think she keeps drinking to purely get herself to sleep. I burp her after, sing a few songs and then put her down but it's not a long gap between bottle and bed - is it a prop?! The child has absolutely no weight issues and is eating plenty of solids/finger foods (not much milk) so I REALLY don't think any waking she has is because she's hungry....

Again; first nap in her cot today and after waking at 6.30 with nap at 9.30 she's only slept 30-40 minutes but she has quietly resettled for the moment - I'm really hoping she pulls a little bit longer.

[becj86]

We always had sleep disruptions with moving house, even at 4... Smells a bit different, room is strange, etc.

I agree given the nights you've had, she's unlikely to be hungry.

I don't think that the bottle is a prop - if she's awake between bottle and sleep, its fine, really.

[labrodyk]

Hmmm, so what can I do in the night? At the moment she can't even self settle to go to sleep... The below was our day - better than usual but still pretty crappy to be honest.

WU: 6.26
E: 7.00. Solids
A:
E: 8.20. Bottle (not much!)
A:
A: 9.30. 9.40-10.15. Resettled 2.25-11.10
E: 12.20. Solids
A:
S: 1.15. Attempted sleep as was constantly rubbing eyes and grizzling but could tell quickly she wasn't going to settle so got her up.
E: 1.30. Again, not much milk. I thought she would be hungry with not much lunch.
A:
S: 2.20. 2.30ish-3.43 (I accidentally slammed a cupboard and i think that woke her!)
A:
E: 4.50. Solids
A:
E: 6.20. Not much milk again compared to usual, But seemed very awake/alert (too much considering she was showing all tired signs way earlier)
BT: 6:35. Great difficulty settling; crying and whinging for the last 30 minutes and still going.

Took until 7.30. I went and cuddled and she got out another burp, then lay back down in cot and held my hands on her and shushed with some lullaby music on. Poor thing... What should I do to help her? Is she forgetting how to self settle?

Aaaaaand woken 40 minutes later crying chronically OT now with NW's at;
1.00
4.07
4.39
4.52
5.02
5.16
5.25 (nurofen) - 5.43
NF: 5.43 (small 120ml bottle, drank it all, asleep in seconds).
S: 5.52; 5.54-6.50!!  Really? Just an hour?

Each lasting anywhere from a couple of minutes to up to 20. She wasn't as hysterical as last night and seemed to be settling after each burst but then starts again! Aftee 5am I suspected pain so gave her nurofen but she wouldn't settle after I left so gave her a small bottle and she fell back to sleep pretty quickly.

[becj86]

That very unsettled night could well be pain/illness too.

Any luck with naps after that shocker of a night?

Looks like she fell asleep as the nurofen kicked in - takes a bit of time to work, yk?