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Two little boys need a routine change
« on: January 28, 2016, 08:13:57 am »
And I'm not sure where.

We were doing
7:30 wu
1 nap (2hrs)
7:30 b/time (12hr nights)

I never used to get any nw's but now they are waking up 6:30 quite happy and I can give them back their dummies until at least 7 but the time the normal 5.5hrs comes their pretty much falling asleep at lunch time.

Thanks

Nicola
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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2016, 09:38:03 am »
It could be that they need just slightly less night time sleep for a little while.  Are they up on their feet yet, cruising? or crawling?  I'm just wondering if sleep needs have dropped a little because of their age but when they get more active again (walking more, trying to run etc) they might need the longer night again due to the increase in physical activity.
Are you doing a set nap time and set BT?


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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2016, 09:44:54 am »
Hi creations, Leo is crawling and cruising and Lewis is commando type crawling but starting to pull himself up on things.

I'm just aiming for the 5.5hrs when I think they've woken but it tends to be 6:30/45. Do you think possibly sticking to a set b/time may help?






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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2016, 10:57:26 am »
Yes I do think set nap and set BT would be helpful now.  Most threads about sleep going off track around 1yo tend to lead to set naps and set BTs to resolve it IME.  It's also what my DS needed as he moved to the toddler board (I'll ask someone to move you over to toddler sleep too :)  I felt really weird when mine was moved to toddler sleep, it feels like a real mile stone!!)

So, given your current routine, the before and after, my suggestion would be:
WU 7am (half hour earlier than previous routine but half hour later than your current 6.30 WU)
Set nap 12.30 - 2.30pm (this may need to be a bit later, 12.45 - 2.45 say but I'd start here)
Set BT 8pm
This offers an 11hr night but you are not setting WU time so really they are free to wake up later and still get a 12hr night if they choose to have it.  If they consistently take longer than 11hr nights (ie when more mobile or after settling into this routine) then we can look at shifting the 'set' nap and 'set' BT accordingly. When nap and BT are 'set' it doesn’t mean it never ever changes, it just doesn't change daily so both you and the boys can settle into a predictable routine which just tweaks when needed.

The first couple of days moving to the set nap might be tricky, you will be asking them to stay up until 12.30 even though they woke at 6.30.  If you want to do it over 2-3 days in 15 min increments that's fine, or else grit your teeth go in one move (it's only 30 mins), ready yourself for an OT WU during nap and resettle them, cross your fingers and give it a few days to settle in.
The slightly later nap should help to prevent that earlier WU time and move it later, as should the slightly later BT.  In time they may need the nap moved a bit later again but you move the 'set time' for this.  That may not happen for months, or it may happen relatively soon-ish, it doesn't always mean a later BT though, it will depend on how their nights are going.

I hope this helps.


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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2016, 08:26:18 am »
Thanks creations. It does feel like a huge milestone being  here.

So I gritted my teeth and went for a shift, then they both started waking 7:10 pretty much on the dot the last few mornings. So I've basically stuck with 1:00 for the nap and 7:30 b/time  it has been good until last night when Leo woke up twice. I'm wondering if that 8pm would have been a better time.






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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2016, 11:26:38 am »
Maybe try a couple more nights with the 7.30pm BT and see how it goes?  The NWs might have been a one-off?
And if not then like you said you can move to 8pm BT. They still have an opportunity to sleep longer if they wish to.


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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2016, 07:07:40 am »
Yeah absolutely will keep trying that 7:30 b/time. It certainly could have been a one off.






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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2016, 13:56:36 pm »
How's it been the last few nights?


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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2016, 15:31:05 pm »
Sorry I didn't realise you had posted. It was an improvement found they slept really well but then some slightly earlier waking so  thought maybe try 8pm b/time things again improved until yesterday!

Lewis woke 5:30 and went back to sleep til 6:15. I'm finding both now are not wanting to go for their nap and waking during their nap and b/time refusal is starting.






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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2016, 18:45:03 pm »
Hi there :)

Is nap still at 1pm?  How long is it? and how long was it before they started waking during nap time?


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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2016, 19:30:04 pm »
Hi☺ Yes nap time still at 1 pm and for 2hrs. Leo is around 1.5 hrs crying and Lewis just about 5/10 mins before wake time. Think Lewis started waking earlier from his nap wednesday then an ex Thursday morning. So really only the last couple of days have they began this.






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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2016, 19:45:19 pm »
They can't just do everything the same to make it easier can they?? lol

OK, I'd move that nap 15 mins later which should stop the nap resistance.
I suggest giving it a go for a week where you cap the nap at the regular time they wake (so still wake up at 3pm) which means they have 15 mins less nap time, this ought to help with the BT resistance.  Keep BT the same (the A time doesn't change but it comes after a shorter nap which ought to mean they are ready for bed).

If it doesn't settle you might need to look at a different time to cap (ie experiment to see if they can handle a cap a bit earlier and be happy enough) or to leave nap at 2hrs and grit your teeth as BT moves later.

Lets hope they will accept a capped nap.  What do you think?


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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2016, 07:27:29 am »
I know they don't make things very easy do they! I would certainly say it's more Lewis, I guess with his two front teeth being through now he's ready for anything!

I will give caping that nap and see how it goes for a wk, I know this is the start of them slowly reducing their time of naps.






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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2016, 18:37:42 pm »
Hope it works out  xx


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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2016, 07:52:27 am »
I think I'm going to leave Leo as he is. The new tweak didn't agree with him plus I've got a sneaking suspicion he's got another chest infection.

Lewis got woke up with Leo waking 1hr after b/time and then around ten but slept through till 6:40 then I resettled them both until 7.






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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2016, 08:37:50 am »
Oh I hope he's not too poorly :(
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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2016, 09:29:44 am »
Leo has chest infection and I'm now suspecting Lewis has one also. Had them both at doctor's on Monday night and Lewis seemed OK not even a sniffel now he's choked. I'm wondering that's why his sleep has been affected maybe not a routine change after all.






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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2016, 14:21:35 pm »
Oh I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope it's not too bad and they are over this very quickly. You're right, it's probably the illness and not routine which has disturbed their sleep.
lots of hugs and you take care of these little people xx


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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2016, 16:38:19 pm »
I will creations thanks. Hopefully someone will take care of me😉






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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2016, 20:11:35 pm »
Oh dear that was a typo of mine!!! it was supposed to read "lots of hugs AS you take care of those little people"
Wow you must think me a witch saying AND take care of those little people!! Woah!!
I'm so sorry - my typing is too fast and too inaccurate - I didn't mean to sound so rude and patronising telling you to look after your kids!!
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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2016, 09:53:31 am »
😀 I didn't look into it like that at all xx






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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2016, 13:56:55 pm »
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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2016, 12:35:31 pm »
hi, things have been great for ages until we missed two naps in the easter holidays. lewis for the past few days i feel like he's refusing nap time really breaking his heart (today being the  worst)but is waking up within an hr or two of b/time.  leo has joined in today too refusing nap time but fell asleep 15 mins later than normal.

it hit me earlier maybe 18 month old sleep regression but they have missed two naps in one wk and not really used to it so it could just be that.

normal routine

wu 7
nap 1-3
b/time 8

maybe i should bring b/time forward little to help?






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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2016, 13:25:22 pm »
It's lovely to hear things have been going well up to now :)

Oh yes it could be the 18 month regression.  Most people suggest sticking to your usual routine throughout it and just hang in there knowing it is a phase. I tried to do that but in the end even after it passed he still needed a new routine.  How about trying nap at 1.15 or 1.30 and still waking at 3pm?  Hold BT at 8pm?  If nap is totally refused then I'd move on to the BT routine pretty early, even 5pm, I know it sounds super early but it can help to hold off OT if a nap is totally missed.


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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2016, 09:37:37 am »
Things have settled down again, I'm guessing they were OT with missing so many naps but as u said EB has made an improvement. Lewis still not happy about going to sleep at nap time but I spotted a new tooth yesterday so I don't think that's helped.

I'm just going to persevere with things just now and hold onto these precious two hours as long as possible!






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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2016, 18:43:42 pm »
Oh yes don't blame you for hanging on to the 2 hour nap!  Hopefully you have another year of it yet :)


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Re: Two little boys need a routine change
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2016, 16:23:26 pm »
I made that mistake with Ayden when we came back from turkey, he just refused to nap ( he was 2 at the time) major OT ended b/t was 5:30 every night.