2-1 transition for 8.5 mo old?

[JennVanessa1083]

The pm nap was with an A of 3.5ish and he woke up at 27 and I resettled but only slept until 1:10 

Bedtime was another mess as he was acting very cranky and tired at 2.5-2.75 but when I tried to put him down before 3 hours, he was resisting and morning all around and playfully gabbing away. He finally went to sleep at 3:22 A. Not sure how the night will look but basically this is what we did today:

WU 8:10 am
S 11:19:- 12:23 pm (A 3:09; self settle)
S 4:02-5:16 pm (A 3:39; SS; woke up at 27 minutes <could be OS since we just had gotten back home from music class and running errands)
BT 8:38 pm (A 3:22; walked around in my arms)

Hopefully we don't get any OT wakings.

[Lindsay27]

So I think the morning CN needs to be earlier in the day and probably less A time.

If WU was 8am then something like:

WU 8
Nap 10:30-11am
Nap 2-4pm
BT 7:30pm

The first A is short so that the nap is short/UT  and the second A is also reduced because the morning nap was only 30mins so you want to avoid OT.

[JennVanessa1083]

Hi!

Thanks for replying so quickly! My concern is that DS has never done more than a 12 hour night so if I aim for a 12.5 hour night he will just get up earlier and earlier.

Could I maybe try a 2.75 A in the am then a 3 hour A before the pm nap. He's never done a 2 hour nap so if he does a 1.5 nap he won't make it to a 7:30 BT.

Would this be too much:

WU 8 (usually 7 but teething has him sleeping later)
A 2.75 hrs
S 10:45-11:30 am
A 3 hrs
S 2:30-4:30 (hopefully)
BT 8 pm

Or

WU 8
S 10:45-11:15
S 2:30-4:30
BT 8 pm

I don't know I'm trying to rack my brain on making sure his day is at least 12 hours long without being OT or UT. I should mention he struggled for a couple of weeks with long playful EMW which is what led to longer first A times.

Last night he was up every 2-3 hours Wide awake babbling. In the earlier waking (1 am-only an hour and a half after his last waking) he was tossing and turning wide awake  then cried when I tried to resettle. I had to nurse bc he was hysterical. He hasn't woken like this in a couple of weeks. Perhaps not getting enough A?

I know I wrote a lot but I do appreciate another pair of eyes on this, thank you! 

[Lindsay27]

I think what you suggested looks good!  Let me know how today went!

[JennVanessa1083]

Well he acted as though he was tired at around 2.75 but when I put him down he just played and played. He finally napped at 3.75 A time and napped for 1.5 hours.

I also posted on the Naps board since in the last couple of days naps have gone haywire after weeks of having a decent nap routine and night.

Not sure what to do.

[Lindsay27]

How are you doing hun?  Was reading the nap post and I also agree and am thinking and earlier start to the day might be helpful, that was you have consistency and can get the naps at generally the same times.

[JennVanessa1083]

Hi!

Thanks for checking in! Well today was not too bad so far. He took two naps around an hour each. First A was 3:20ish and he woke up at 33 minutes but resettled quickly (so OT or teeth? Not sure), then did a second A for about the same time and slept for about an hour in my DH arms. I was out while DH watched him. Bedtime he hasn't been tired at the usual A tim but I'm thinking it's because I have shortened his A times a bit in the day. He just went to sleep after a 3:10 A time. We will see what happens tonight. We been getting OT wakings early in the night. It may be teeth despite giving him Motrin.

I keep getting strange NW where he feeds then stays awake just laying their quietly or sometimes sitting up. He mastered sitting up weeks ago so I doubt it's that so that leaves teething and/or routine related.

So all in all a working progress lol I do agree I think I need to move his routine back to around 7. We have been at these later times for a week or so and he definitely does way better with an earlier one.

[Lindsay27]

30 min naps are typically OT, but once teeth get thrown in the mix it's hard to tell for sure.  Some of he early wakings could be OT for sure as his naps are slightly in the short side.  I do wonder though if you kept that AM nap at 30 mins (or 45) if he take a longer PM nap for you.  And if you are open to getting an early start to the day it could be something like

WU 7
Nap 10-10:30
Nap 1-3 (this A time is shortened since the AM nap is only 30mins)
BT 6:30

[JennVanessa1083]

Yea I definitely agree that teething muddles everything up big time which is why it's hard to tell where my A times should be yk?

I also think the wakings are OT bc of nap lengths. I can definitely the suggested routine and tweak it. DS has never done a 12.5 hour night so I wonder how I can tweak it to a 11.5-12 hour day. He seems a bit lower in the sleep needs department as well.

[Lindsay27]

Yes my DS never did more than 11-11.5hr nights either, so EBTs never worked for us.  What I did was just set BT at 7pm no matter what, so even if it was a long A until bed he could generally handle it.

[JennVanessa1083]

For us either...either he ends up with loong wakings due to OT or UT. Last night we definitely had an OT baby on our hands since we had a busy day with extended family. We had 3 long NW  complete with crying and resisting sleep.

Also daylight savings time pushed everything forward so now he woke up at 9!! My goal is to get him back to 7:30.

[Lindsay27]

Yes we had a late WU this morning too.  I think that if you get an earlier start to the day you should be able to get a short nap and a long nap in and still have an evening for yourself .

[JennVanessa1083]

That would be sooooo nice but today it will be a 9 p.m. bedtime since I have to make sure he gets enough A or he ends up with long playful NW 

My plan is to wake him up at 8 tomorrow then 7:30 the next day to get back on track.

[Lindsay27]

Sounds good!