Help with 2nd nap needed

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The slightly longer first A time should help with the morning Wu time, either make it later or not let it get earlier.

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Thanks, we'll see how tonight goes!

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So yesterday was
Wu 6am
Oob 6.20
S 10 .40 to 12.40 I woke him
S 4.10 to 4.40 couldn't resettle and not sure why we got OT 30 mins.
Bt 7.15
Slept through til 5am, so only 9h45 night sleep! Ah I seem to have replaced one problem with another, long night wakings replaced by early waking!
Keeping him up til 10.45am is going to be interesting. Can't believe I moaned at 6am yesterday.

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Kept him up til 10.45am and he short napped,  woke after 1hr20 and we are visiting family this afternoon so will be a short nap again. 

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I'd keep trying for a few days. He did wake particularly early at 5am so it was a long time to go until his nap.

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Ok I'll stick with it.  Today was
Wu 5am
S 10.45 to 12.05
S 3.25 to 4.40 in car
Bt 7. 10
Still not asleep now at 7.30.  So far it's been a 14h30 day!

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So he fell asleep at 7 30 in the end last night, do you think it was ut because of the longer pm nap but I kept Bt the same, or ot from such a long day and still shortish naps?
This morning he woke at 4.45am. It's getting earlier! He did fall back to sleep at 5.15 to 5.45 then I got him up at 6.30.
Back down for nap at 10.45.

Is he going to be massively OT from staying  awake so long in the morning after ew?  Will he eventually realise that he needs to sleep longer in the morning as he isn't getting  a chance to make it up during the day?

Sorry for 100 questions in this post!

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We are having total nap refusal here. I just don't know what to do. He's been awake more than 4 hours now. I put him down at 4.15pm after 3hr30 A time and a 2hr nap this morning.  I just don't know what toto do. He played for the first 15 mins, then cried for 25 mins. Dh has just come in and got him up as we were both getting in a state. Now he is happily crawling around downstairs. What is going on? It's 5pm now, I'll have to do 6pm Bt won't I  and pray he doesn't get up at 3 or 4 am. I'm scared.
Today went
Wu 4.45, Back to sleep at 5.15 til 5.45
Wu 5.45
Oob 6.30
S 10.45 to 12.45
S 4.15 but didn't happen

Edited to add he was fine til he went to bed at 6.30 and slept through til 5.30. So 11 hours sleep. The most we have had in a while.
Another edit to add he took 20 mins to drop off for today's pm nap which is unusual. We have a class today so I gave him a nap at 9am to 10am then put down at 1.25pm and he took 20 mins to drop off and gave a 40 min nap.  I'm starting to wonder if I'm underestimating his A times?

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Oh dear I'm sorry you had such a hard time.
Gosh, total nap refusal!  Well done for getting him to bed early though and he did pretty well didn't he? I would have expected a lot of OT NWs based on having had only one nap!

So, it's a bit of a mystery. I'd be tempted to put down as some sort of blip and not think too much about it.

It's not totally unheard of for a LO to drop to one nap extremely early but it is very unusual.

What are your feelings on moving forward?
I wonder if capping the first nap would help to create a longer second A time to fit the second nap in?  I didn't like to cap my DS's nap at all so it's not something I am really keen on myself but I don’t see how you can fit 2 naps in if he is UT after 3.5hrs second A time 

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I was thinking the same myself, especially after only 40 min nap this afternoon after 3hr30. He has been awake since 2.20pm on a 40 min nap and seems absolutely fine! And no, no nws last night!
I'm thinking
S 10.45 to 12.15
S 4 til 45
Bt 7.30

Or I could try
S 10.30 to 12.15
S 4 to 4.45
Bt 7.30 would that be a late enough Bt after 45 mins nap, I just don't know with him!

If he continues to wake at 5/5.35am am I definitely doing the right thing keeping him up til normal nap time?

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I'd go with the first one the 10.45...after a good go at it you can always change again if needed,it's not set in stone.

If he continues to wake at 5/5.35am am I definitely doing the right thing keeping him up til normal nap time?

If he continues to sleep relatively well at night but have the early wake up then you might perhaps be able to move the day on to shift BT and WU although I doubt you want BT any later either.  I mean if he can do 11 hrs overnight consistently that would be great wouldn't it?
The routine does look on the short side for naps but he could just be a month or two ahead of the guidance times and he could settle down really well into one long and one short nap with a good night sleep.  I do think it's worth a try.

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Great ok. Yes if we can achieve 11 hrs at night that would be amazing but although he did it last night it seems a way off to be honest. I'll see what happens in a couple of days.

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Good luck. I've got my fingers crossed for you!

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Thanks! I woke from morning nap at 12. 15 after 1hr30 so fingers crossed he goes down ok for next one.

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Oh for goodness sake, I think he is going to sleep longer than 45mins! I can't win! I tried to get this sleep longer and couldn't, then decided it was better to be short and now he has extended it! Don't know when to let him sleep til or when to do Bt so he's not ut. Arrhhh!