I'm done and don't know what to do anymore

[Reethepea]

Hello again, thanks for the reply. She is 16 weeks on Monday. That night she was in bed asleep by 18.45pm. It seems that the 5am wake up
Is here to stay for the mo. I can accept that being as her last nap ends at 16.30 so she is so ready for bed by 18.30. Do you think when I can push bedtime later that she may sleep later?

She is so happy at that time. Our day is so much better structured if I can get her back to sleep after that early feed. If we start our day she sleeps through her next feed. I have tried to offer the feed before she goes down for her 1st nap but she is not interested.

[Bella89]

Sometimes when they are little their feeding times during nighttime falls so close to wake up that we're both confused-moms and LOs.

If it was me I would feed at 5 and try to resettle. At the same time I would ad 15 min to this first A time of the day rather than last.This way BT will be later. IF she is fine with BT at 6:30 pm than what's the harm in it

[Reethepea]

So I'm back after some good and bad weeks. Dd is now 19 weeks and we are going from bad to worse 😩. I had my fingers crossed that we might be nearing the end of this sleep nightmare but apparently not.

Yesterday despite my best effort
5am nw-
E-6
S-7-9
A
E 10
A
S 11- 12.30
A
E 2pm
A
S 14.30 but didn't settle till 14.45-15.15- tried till 4pm to resettle
A
E and bedtime 6pm
Woke at 9pm resettled
Df 10pm
Nw- 3am, tried to resettle with dummy then attempted to offers feed but refused.
Fussed until 4.15am woke at 5am-self settled till 7am

So today's easy
Wu 7
E
A
S 9.15-11.15(I woke her to ensure a decent lunch nap as collecting dd1 from nursery at 3pm
E
A
S 13.30-14.20
E
A
S- offered at 15.45 as I rubbing but refused
A
S- put down at 16.20 but cried and moaned till 16.45 when fell asleep

Do you think she needs an a time push. I'm beginning to get fed up as she clearly is not getting enough day time sleep

[Scottishmummy]

Hi there!

They keep changing, don't they, good and bad weeks are the story of our first year with both of mine.

It sounds like she's still taking a good first nap at 2hrs A time.

I think I would try to keep first nap at 2hrs A time, if you get a wake up around 7.  If you get EW I would try everything to resettle to sleep and not get her out of bed until 7 and then try to get the first nap starting as close to 9 as possible.

I would let her sleep as long as she needs for first nap- she might be needing the catch up..then try an A time increase before the 2nd nap- maybe try 2hr15 for a few days then up to 2hr30 if naps still short?

You might also need an A time push before the 3rd nap too. Looks like she's not falling asleep until 2hr15 then so I'd aim for that at least.
Can you try to AP the 3rd nap if she's refusing it? I found I needed to do this with both of mine during this transition and often just do a very short 3rd nap, depending on how long other naps have been.

[Reethepea]

Thank you so much for your reply. I will give your suggestions a go. We did finally get a 45 min nap for the 3rd nap and put bedtime at 7.30pm- she was fine with that and settled well. Fingers crossed 😊

[Scottishmummy]

Maybe the later BT will give you a later wake up?

My fingers are crossed too!

[Reethepea]

Today has been a disaster. I feel so defeated. Bad naps = bad nights 😢

[Scottishmummy]

Oh no! It's a tough transition, big hugs. Tomorrow is another day...
Feel free to post your EASY for today if you want to chat through it

[Reethepea]

So Thursday's easy was:

Nf 5.30am, tried to resettle but didn't sleep up for day at 7am
A
E
A
S 8.45-10.15
A
E
S put down at 12.45 but fussed till 1- 2.40pm
E
A
S offered at 5pm but declined
A
E
S6pm
Nw at 8.30pm easily resettled with dummy
Df 10pm.

Today
Nw at 3am resettled easily
Nw 5.15- resettled with dummy
Wu 7.15
E
A
S put down at 9.20 took till 9.35- 11
E
A
S 13.45-2.20pm(put down later due to being out and about) unable to resettle crying and clearly tired
A
E
S 16.30- gave up at 5.15 as chatty and happy
A
E
S 6.30pm

I'm aware that the short ltn was prob OT. Quick insight in the last A time she rolled from back to front then front to back which is new and I wondered if related. I really do appreciate your insight. It's just so frustrating when you plan your day and dd1's days around naps that are short 😢. Sorry for the rant.

[Reethepea]

So today has been better

Wu6am
E
A
S8.10- 10.30
A
E
A- became really grumpy and escalated to crying- fell asleep in my arms after only 1.5hrs activity(odd on the fact that she hasn't fallen asleep in my arms since she was 10 weeks old)
S12-12.30
A
S put down at 14.30 but chatty and smiley, I gave up at 3 and had quiet activity
A
S 15.30-16.15
E
A
I will aim for bedtime at 18.30- 7pm

[Scottishmummy]

Glad today was better. Looks like she had some sleep to catch up on today, hence the shorter 2nd A time. Looks like 2hrs first A is working and maybe 3hrs between end f 2nd nap and the 3rd CN but I think 2nd A time still needs some working out.  Maybe try 2hr30-45?

See how she goes at BT and whether you get EW tomorrow.  I found I needed to cut the CN shorter as the transition progressed to avoid EW, even if it meant a slightly earlier BT sometimes.

[Reethepea]

Thank you for taking the time to add some insight 😊

[Reethepea]

Lol, we have already had bedtime shenanigans so I think your right that the catnap def has to be shorter 😩

[Scottishmummy]

Oh dear... I'd probably try a 30min 3rd nap another day and BT about 3hrs after waking.

[ireneasheard]

We've been playing around with the short nap at around 4.30pm - I let it go to length or shorten as needed as my son has around 2-2.5 hours awake time. If he catnaps on 2nd sleep I will give longer latr afternoon nap. If he does like today sleep full 2 hours for both sleeps I'll make it a short nap of 15 minutes to preserve bed time.