2-1 transition help with 1 year old

[JennVanessa1083]

Is a 13.5 hour day and 10.5hour night ok? Is that too long of a day?

Also is a 1:05 nap OT? I tried close to 4.75A and he woke up fussy but refused to go back to sleep Bo matter what I did. I did ALOT including nursing and rocking. He tried going back to sleep but couldn't. Once I stopped trying he was totally fine Or does this mean he just wasn't tired enough.


I'm going nuts over this transition!!

[JennVanessa1083]

I really don't know what's going on. He only slept 9.5 hrs last night   he wakes up happy but rubs his eyes all day and looks tired. I can't seem to get a long enough am nap to only go on one nap.

His was yesterday:

WU7:30am
S 12:15-1:20 pm (A4.75; would not settle no matter what I did)
S 5:20-5:55 pm (A 4; I let him sleep longer bc of the bad am nap maybe I shouldnt have)
BT 8:50 pm (2:55; too short?)

NW 11:25 pm, 3:46, 5:43 am (wide awake but eventually drifted), up at 7 

Is this OT building up or am is he still in a UT/OT loop? Disconfort? I can't get a long enough am nap to push through to BT.

For what it's worth, he's also learning how to walk. He can take a few unassisted steps.

[MasynSpencerElliotte]

New skills can sometimes cause the nw's and also they sometimes need a bit less A time while they first are using their new skills because they can tire themselves out faster.

[Shiv52]

I don't think you will get the nap lengthened while you are offering that C but given at this age you can't look day to day and this is day 2 in a row of 2 naps id keep going. Even if the first nap is shorter than you'd like you really can't let him sleep longer at the CN like you did as it means he really will need more A time to bed and so on.

I'd do another 3 days as you are and then see how the week panned out and decide from there. I think Heidi said earlier it does get to the stage where there is just not enough time in the day to fit needed A time and naps and you need to get to one nap. Didn't we say to get the A time upto 4.75 before making the jump so the jump to 5 hours isn't so bad?

[JennVanessa1083]

Yea we did. So today is day 2 I think of 4.75 A. Today he didn't show any signs of slowing down and even fought me when I tried winding down. He's asleep now after around 4.75 so let's see what happens.

I agree that I just need to push though to get to the point of 5 hrs or more A time. Heidi is totally right since I'm finding that out days are stretching to 14 hrs which I think is causing more harm to an already shaky situation. I just know he likes a shorter A to bed so doing one nap on 5hrs A then 5 hours A afterwards won't end well. I'm wondering if people ever try a shorter A to bed after a nap on 5 hrs time.

Something like:
WU 7:30 am
S 12:30-2:30 (hopefully)
BT 7 pm

I'm pretty sure I could stretch him to 4.5 without crazy OT.

Heidi- I'm finding that new skills equals no slowing down lol he just runs a muck. I think sleep is the last thing he wants to do.

[JennVanessa1083]

Sooooo we tried 4.75 yesterday and got s 1:20 nap then he skipped his CN totally

So that means he did 6.5 hrs A to bed!!!! Not by choice but after trying in a stroller and car I threw in the towel gave him dinner, bath, then straight into the BT routine.

Needless to say we had 2 NW which includes a nearly 2 hour long one where nothing was settling him and he was hyper then had s meltdown. Finally I nurses him out of desperation then he slept for another 2 hours then up at 7:30 am.

Naps today was an utter mess. First nap he dozed off in the car around 4.5 hrs for 45 min then a 30 min CN after 4 hrs A (he fought sleep then got OT or was already OT). Bedtime was another battle 
He will only total 10 hrs total sleep in a 24 hour period! Needless to say I'm expecting a not so good night.

What do I do? Do I shorten A times to level out the OT or do I just press on with the goal of 5 hours A after a couple of more days of 4.75?

[MasynSpencerElliotte]

I would press on...if you keep going back to the two naps it will keep going in circles. Would he have done an ebt? Instead of such a long A to bed? I won't be on much (if at all) for a couple of weeks as we are off camping!

[JennVanessa1083]

Ok I shall press on. I should have done an EBT. I'm thinking if I can get him to at least do a 2 hour nap then I could try a 4-4.5 A to bed? Would that constitute as a EBT?

I know a 5 hour A before BT led to NW including a long one and a EMW.


Happy Camping Heidi!!!

[Shiv52]

An EBT would be anything from an hour before normal bedtime and should be used sparingly. Sometimes doing a really early bedtime gets you a super long night where they catch up.

I think you have to bear in mind that you can't judge off one night. So just because one 5 A time gave a bad night doesn't meant it always will. That's where the consistency will come into it and his body clock may or may not get used to it but only 5 days of the same thing will tell. Plus the other night with two nap day you had 4 NWs and him up from 5.43 so I think you are stuck in a loop.

Are you sticking with the two naps for now?

Could you post the last 4\5 days in a row for me to take a look?

[JennVanessa1083]

Hi! You're right about not judging off one night. I guess I'm so scared of making things worse but it looks like being overly cautious is doing more harm than good.

I have been trying to do 2 naps but he skipped the CN on two days including yesterday where even a car ride didn't do the trick! He usually can't resist the movement.  Anyways this is the last couple of days:

Friday:
NW 1:05, 5 am

Total 10.5 hrs

WU 7:36 am
S 12:15-1:21 pm (A 4:39; fought a little bit maybe for 5 minutes; woke up fussy and crying; sweaty)
S 5:21-5:57 pm (A 4; fought sleep and unconfortable; was hot)
BT 8:52 pm (A 2:55)

Saturday:
NW 11:25, 3:45, 5:43 am

Total 9.5 hrs

WU 7 am
S 11:48-1:16 pm (A 4:48; didn't seem tired until almost 4:40; 8 minutes to fall asleep; stirred at 40)

--Attempted CN around 4 hrs later and totally rejected it; tried the stroller then the car

BT 7:29 pm (A 6:13; wired; came home close to 7pm; gave dinner then did BT routine)

Sunday:
NW 12:29 am (restless the whole time), 3:24-4:46 am (Wide awake tossing and turning trying to stand, restless legs cried a lot towards the end; nursed bc nothing else worked)

Total 10.5 hrs

WU 7:29 am
S 12:01-12:47 pm (A 4:32;car on our way home)
S 4:52-5:21 pm (A 4:05; OT fighting sleep. Parents were here visiting)
BT 8:36 pm (A 3:15; fighting sleep; took around 20 minutes to put down)

Yesterday:
NW 1:47 am, 4:30-5:15 (tossing and turning)

Woke up 7:15 and nurses then dozed off

Total 10 hrs

WU 8:10 am (let him sleep in)
S 12:46-2:01 pm (A 4:36; DH put him to sleep while my sister was visiting)

Skipped CN when tried in the car. Drove for a half hour then abandoned nap. Came home gave him dinner then straight to BT routine.

BT 7:14 pm (A 5:13; fell asleep while nursing then woke up 30 minutes later finished nursing then eventually drifted)

NW 7:45, 11:35 pm, 6:15 am

Up at 7:50 am and slept a total of 11.75 not including NW. Wayyyyyy better!

Ideally I would LOVE for our day on one nap to be from 8-8 bc it would work better for our family. Usually he wakes between 7:30-8 am. It's just been hard to be consistent with the crazy naps and nights. I'm convinced that he is either ready for 1 nap or is super close. Thoughts?

[JennVanessa1083]

I have done two days of one nap and am getting 4-5 NW including one within the hour after BT. Is that common when adjusting? Maybe too long of A before bed? I tried 5.25 the first time, 4:50 the next time. Maybe less like 4.5? Or do I just endure and hope things settle down?

How do I know if I need a two nap day to help OT? Would I do a morning CN and then do a long lunchtime nap or a pm CN?

The great part is that it's resulting in 11.5 hrs of sleep.  Also wondering if maybe I'm not getting enough calories in him since I don't have as much A time with one nap.

[Shiv52]

When you say NWs is be fully awake or just stirring and resettling? How King is he awake for each time. I think that will settle as he becomes more rested.

I wouldnt do more than 5 but whatever you decide Id stick to it and not alter it.

I'd do a two nap day if you're finding the day is starting earlier and you need to stretch the day to keep bedtime reasonable.

How long were the naps? Might be easier to post your days x

[JennVanessa1083]

I would say 3-4 full NW and some stirrings.

My days are posted above. Yesterday went like this:

Teething 2-1

NW 7:44,11:30, 6:15 am

WU 7:50 am
S 12:51-2:30 (A 5; drifted easily; stirred at 1 hour)
BT 7:19 pm (A 4:49)

NW7:55-8:20 (tossing and turning with lots of moans), 12:15 am, 2:48, 5:45 am

[Shiv52]

Ok so we need to pick an A time. You got similar Naps off 4.45 and 5 hours A time. I'd hope that nap will lengthen out too.  I'd imagine 5 is better as it helps stretches the day out. Do you think that Would be ok?

[JennVanessa1083]

You mean before the am nap?

I agree 5 hours seems to give a good nap. Today he didn't make it. He was crying by 3.5 so I put him down for a CN then did a long pm. His teeth seem to really bother him today. He's chewing his rubber toothbrush nonstop lol no other tether seems to be doing the trick. I'm hoping this means they are about to cut! I'm not sure if it's Canines or molars bc he won't let me look inside but definitely swollen gums and teeth moving down around those areas.

Maybe that's why he was extra tired? Also maybe the multiple NW last night. That's why I was wondering about switching back between 2 and 1 nap days.