15 weeks - 3 hours E.A.S plan to self sleep?

[LauraJame]

How old is he now & is he still doing around 1.5hr A times?  I'm just wondering whether he's not going to sleep because he might need a routine change & maybe more awake time before the naps?

But yes, if sh-pat isn't working you might want to try PU/PD. But first also try tweaking his routine & do a good wind down before putting him into the cot so he's calm and relaxed (if possible!) for the nap.

Hello,

He is 4mo and 20 days today...
Actually now he is increased his A to 1:45 ~ 2:00 and the feeds each 3h15 ~ 3h30

[Scottishmummy]

Has the increase in A time made any difference to how he settles for naps?

If not then yes, it's worth trying PU/PD. Have a look through the link on it that I sent.

Good luck
Xxx

[LauraJame]

If not then yes, it's worth trying PU/PD. Have a look through the link on it that I sent.

Good luck
Xxx

Hello...
I started PU/PD saturday (read all the material you gave me) ...
The first time was a bit scary, 30 min crying. But after that its been better (today the slept in 14 min ).

I have some questions about PU/PD
1 - I dont know if he is really falling sleep on cot because after about 10 min he is so tired that when I pick him he is almost asleep. Sometimes I have the impression that he is already asleep when I put down.
2 - Is it ok to 'put down' with one hand under the head?
3 - When he wake at middle of night what I am supposed to do? I am so afraid/tired to start the PU/PD again. So I am holding him for now. Is it ok or am I spoiling the process ?
4 - (Not related to PU/PD) What can I do to extend the naps? He is always waking at 40~50 now (maybe because now he is sleeping on cot?)

Thanks !

[Scottishmummy]

Hi!

Sounds like PU/PD is helping to make some progress...

1). Are you just picking up when he cries?  I wonder whether some of his cries are settling cries (mantra cries) if he's that tired and falling asleep so quickly.  At that age my DD would shout/cry for a very short time as part of putting herself to sleep.  I would stand back and wait to see if her cries settled or were escalating.  I would comfort her if her cries were getting more upset.  This isn't CIO as I was in the room, listening to her and would go to her if she needed me but also had to give her a short time and space for her to settle herself.  How would you feel about standing back a little as you feel he's getting tired enough to be asleep & see if that helps him fall asleep in the cot?

2) yes I think it is OK to have your hand under his head when you put him down but then take it away when he's in the cot

3) In the night, if you don't think he's waking from hunger or discomfort, then I'd try PU/PD again.  You're not spooling the nap ST by holding him..but you might be making your nights more disrupted in the long run. I used PU/PD with my DD at night and it actually worked quicker than I expected and helped stop habitual night wakings.

4) Naps.... Getting him to fall asleep in the cot as suggested in 1 above might help...you can also try PU/PD to extend naps...or try wake to sleep..How do I address habitual wakings? (wake-to-sleep and other methods) Or do you think he's ready for another A time increase? Average A times- BOOKMARK ME!

[ireneasheard]

In the night I slid into accidental parenting and used pu/pd and shh pat to put my son back to sleep. He habitually started waking for a feed every 3 hours but resettling while it happened a few nights he slept through again. The persistence is worth it.l on my experience.

Re naps - again pu/pd and shhh pat has helped us. Persistence during day and nights have been worth it as my son sleeps all night and day sleeps are far better too.

[LauraJame]

Thanks so much for the help!

Yesterday I have finally my dreamed "Y" !
3 1.5hrs snaps on cot with PU/PD

My night was not good, but I started PU/PD when he wakes as well ... Hoping he wakes just to eat in next weeks.

But I´m so happy now. PU/PD is great !!!

[Scottishmummy]

Hooray! So pleased for you!   

Fingers crossed your nights improve soon too.

[LauraJame]

Hey!

I´m back...  My son now is with 5 months and 2 weeks.

PU/PD was working great but now its getting worse. Ill stick with it (i think that regression is normal(?))
He is eating each 4 ~ 4.5 hours and his "A" about 2 hours.

What is bothering me is his waking time...
His BT is always at 8PM ~ 8:30PM. And used to wake at 7:00AM. But now he is always waking at 5:00AM ~ 5:30AM. He wakes happy and for good.
Why is that? Any way to work on that?

Beside that he still waking ~5 times per night

Thanks

[Scottishmummy]

Hmmm, could be time for another A time increase?

Could you post your typical day in EASY format?

[LauraJame]

Hmmm, could be time for another A time increase?

Could you post your typical day in EASY format?

My EASY is a mess in last days :

Waked - 5:30AM
E - 5:30
S - 7:00 (30 min)
E - 9:00
S - 10:40 (1hr 14min)
E - 13:00
S - 14:00 (40min)
S - 16:30 (37min)
E - 17:30
E - 19:30
S (BT) - 20:25

Waked - 6:00AM
E - 7:30
S - 9:00 (40min)
E - 11:20
S - 13:00 (30min)
E - 14:48
S - 16:00 (3hrs!!!) obs.: It´s the second time this week he slept >2.5hrs in last nap
E - 19:40
S (BT) - 21:00

[Scottishmummy]

Hi

EW really mess the day up don't they?    It looks like he is getting a short night and possibly OT naps then crashing every so often for a long catch up nap. What time did he wake up this morning after that long afternoon nap yesterday?

I wonder if he's starting the 3-2 transition? 15 weeks - 3 hours E.A.S plan to self sleep?

If you get EW, I would try to keep him in the cot and keep trying to resettle until as close to 7 as you can.  I think I'd then try to start counting A time from 7am and gradually increase it...so maybe try a first nap around 9.15ish or as close to it as you an get. You might need to stretch to 9.30 after a while.

You might get a short (OT) nap but I'd then try to get a nap after another 2.15-30 & same for 3rd nap (which might need to be cut short to maintain bedtime)

It's the first big nap transition and takes a bit of trial and error to get A times and nap lengths right.

I'm not sure about the NWs though...5 is quite a lot...is it hunger? Discomfort? Is he self settling at bedtime yet?

[LauraJame]

He woke up at 5.30AM after that long snap .
Ill try your suggestions and observe about 2-3 transitions...

About NWs, what is always happening is :
BT ~ 8PM
1 Wake ~ 11:30PM (PU/PD)
2 Wake ~ 1:00AM (Feed)
3 Wake ~ 4:00AM (PU/PD)  Here he keeps waking each 10 or 15 min until the feed
4 Wake ~ 5:00AM Feed
5 Wake ~ 7:30AM

He is not self settling at bedtime. Always wake, kick the bed sometimes and after that starts to cry.

[Scottishmummy]

Maybe he's genuinely hungry at 4am if he keeps waking so frequently until feed..have you tried feeding him then?

Have you tried PU/PD at BT? It seemed to work so well for your naps?