Hi there and welcome to BW forums
Lovely to have a Daddy here.
I think the question of PUPD being suitable or not is really something you and your DW need to decide. I would suggest you consider what your goal really is and if you are prepared to really commit to sleep training. If you are ready to commit to sleep training decide together how you want to go about it, and agree on it, you need to be working together on this so the message to LO is absolutely clear.
For the purposes of expanding a little on your options I am going to assume your end goal is for LO to have all sleeps in his cot, not in arms, for all naps and night sleep. If this is not your goal you will ned to let us know what your goal is so we can support you as well as possible and adapt our suggestions.
PUPD is not a no-cry solution.
With a good routine it WILL work and you will sleep train your baby to sleep in the cot and with your support he will learn to self settle. This means he will learn how to go into the cot awake and learn how to fall to sleep with no help. This also means when he reaches the end of a sleep cycle he will be able to transition to another cycle without your help - naps and night time. For hunger in the night he will still need to be fed, breast fed babies do sometimes still have a night feed or two.
However, PUPD is hard work, lets be clear about it. Hard work. It can be tiring for parents and it needs parents to be ready for that and to commit. Your LO will almost certainly kick up a huge fuss, cry, scream and be very unhappy that you are changing the rules after 9 months of rocking and sleeping in arms - you have taught him that sleep is on you and now you are changing the rules. You cannot expect him to welcome the change. There will likely be progress over a few days with the first couple being the hardest followed by a couple which are a bit easier and then there will likely be a regression where he tests you out to see if your really REALLY mean it - at which point you need to stand firm and tell him yes you really do mean it.
You or your DW will need to be with him throughout his frustrations, crying and struggles with the new rules. We do not agree with leaving babies to cry alone for any amount of time. It might take a long time, and he might miss all or almost all of his nap because he is crying or fighting.
I'm letting you know it is hard and it might take half the day to get the first nap down and it is totally pointless and unfair on all of you to go through 30 or 60 mins or even longer of PUPD sleep training if you then give in and rock him to sleep - all the crying will have been for no reason and all it would do is reinforce his understanding that if he cries loud enough and long enough you will pick him up and let him sleep on you. It works against the goal.
I'm confused though as the PU/PD 'rules' say that 8months on
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At this age you really don’t do any pick up as babies 8 months and up tend to soothe faster in the crib.
If we do that he will progressively get madder and madder, so should we pick him up until he stops then straight back down etc or not?
Part of this is that babies are bigger and stronger and more difficult to pick up when they are fighting. The idea with this age baby is to keep him in his cot however if he is really really upset then yes you can pick up, comfort and put back down. Many people adapt the methods a little to suit their individual situation. For example I did not sleep train my DS with the PUPD method but with an adapted shush/pat at a very young age. When mine was 9 or 10 months or even older if he woke in the night for some reason I knew he did not re-settle by staying in the cot, he resettled very quickly if I picked up, cuddled and reassured, used my key phrase and put him back in bed - I might then just leave the room or if he needed some additional help I would leave a hand on him for a few mins.
So, yes, you can pick up to calm but you must keep your goal in mind, to put him down before he is asleep.
Or is the PU/PD method wrong for Henry, as he does kind of put himself back to sleep, its just sometimes/most times he doesn't.
From your descriptions I would say he is really struggling to get himself to sleep and to transition from one sleep cycle to another during naps and nights. In my opinion sleep training would be of huge benefit to the whole family and would help your LO to sleep more peacefully and get a better sleep in the end. As for if PUPD is right for him or not, I really feel it is more a question if it is right for YOU and your DW or not.
Another option which you may prefer (it is the one I would take but it is personal choice and I have not been in the position you are in) is to use an adapted shush/pat even though your LO is older. This is a slower method, more gentle (on all of you), would take longer in terms of how many days, but is perhaps less fraught over all. It is also a method you can return to time and again over the coming months/years when some comfort is needed due to teething or illness or a bout of separation anxiety.
In your case, if you chose this route, you would make progress in steps, like a gradual wean from the bopping and rocking and keep moving forward on your steps each day. for example:
- rock for wind down. If you usually rock firmly for 15 mins then only rock firmly for 5 mins, then reduce to gentle rock, then reduce to almost no movement
if he escalates in crying you step up the rocking but only briefly then reduce again.
- when calm but still awake and eyes nodding put down in cot, keep hands on and keep the very small rocking (almost like a rub) motion going until he is asleep. If he fusses you increase the rocking motion in the cot by using a firmer hand on him to give a little movement, then reduce again. If he full on creams his head off and rock/rub in the cot isn't helping you pick up and sooth in arms, the firmer rocking reduced down as quickly as possible to the gentler motion, when calm but awake into the cot, hands on continue the motion lightly - or firmly if needed - always as little as is needed.
So - the above might be the first step - it's a bit two steps forward, one back, increasing the help as needed and reducing the moment he is relaxing only ever offering what he needs and no more. Throughout this time you can introduce a key phrase (rather than shush) such as "it's sleepy time" which you repeat like a mantra. Later on in the stages this key phrase will be associated with comfort and support and you will be able to use verbal reassurance without necessarily picking him up...even from outside the door.
The next main step would be to reduce the rocking in the cot before he nods off (the description above is rocked in cot all the way to sleep) so that you have a motionless firm hand on him.
Then no hand on him but you are sitting by him at the ready if he needed it (I had my hand hovering 1cm above my DS).
And so on the steps go. The key aspect in this method is that while it is okay to go a few steps forward and a few steps back within one sleep ultimately you keep moving forward on those steps. you do not wait for him to be 100% comfortable with any stage or you get "trapped" in that stage. You must also stay mindful and alert during the process so that you don't inadvertently get carried away with the rocking in the cot and reinforce this as a long term habit/prop.
Well, I gave you quite a lot to think about. Let us know what you think and where you want to go from here so we can support you.
In terms of your routine it looks like the first nap is coming too early for a long nap but some people find a short first A time followed by a short nap is preferable so that a longer A time and longer nap are achieved in the afternoon. You will have more success with the routine if you have consistency every day (at least whilst sleep training). A routine might be:
WU 6am
A 3
S 9 - 10am
A 4
S 2 - 3.30pm
A 3-4hr
BT 6.30-7.30
routines do vary though. If you are more often wanting to be out in the afternoon at baby groups or such you might prefer to go for a long morning nap and a shorter afternoon nap. It doesn't matter a huge deal unless you already know LO prefers one over the other or you have appointments/commitments which fit better one way.
Hope this helps