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Grrr help please :(
« on: February 28, 2017, 19:59:22 pm »
Hi all.

I'm really having a hard time with this 2-1 :(

I've been doing set naps at 11:30 despite any and all wake up times in the morning.

He has always done 2-3 hr naps off 4 hr AT...we've never had short naps... but. now he can't get passed 1.5 hrs and WILL NOT catnap at all later in the day. Completely rejects it at all costs. APOP used to be very easy and now it's impossible

I started the set nap because he would reject his CN, extremely so. His  AT to BT was reaaaally long which caused OT, NWs and EWs....

Please someone with any suggestions to get this nap longer again? It doesn't matter the AT. I've done 4.5 hr A and today he had an EW so AT to his nap at 11:30 was 5 AT... it made zero difference. Still woke. Still OT..He wakes screaming every single time.

Tips to get this nap longer :( ?

We r very exhausted with the EWs. He's always had amazing sleep habits and this is all hard for us.

Any help would be appreciated mamas :( !! We are becoming desperate :'( as he's seemingly super OT
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Re: Grrr help please :(
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2017, 08:43:41 am »
Hello there, how old is he?

1.5 hour nap is pretty normal, tbh. If i were you though id set the nap 1 hour later at say 12.30 and leave it there for a few days see how that helps.

I found with DD after 1yo as the months went on that nap was pushed later we stuck at 12.30 for a long while & it was often 1.5/2hours.

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Re: Grrr help please :(
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2017, 12:42:28 pm »
Hi!

Thanks for the help :)

I'm not sure I was clear but I meant he doesn't go passed 1.5 hrs. He won't reach it.

I'm also just very much done w the EWs... he's never been one to EW and I know all this is due to OT.

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Re: Grrr help please :(
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2017, 13:52:06 pm »
We are having similar problems Fabi - when we dropped to 1 nap she was doing somewhere between 2-3hrs and last weekend I was getting 1 x 1.15hr naps, which is NOT enough on 1 nap.

I wonder if you could do a short AM/long PM to catch up a bit?  With the EW do you think you could get him down earlier for a short AM?  Maybe 10-10:30 and then PM nap around 1:30/2?



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Re: Grrr help please :(
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2017, 19:27:00 pm »
1.5 hour nap is pretty normal, tbh. If i were you though id set the nap 1 hour later at say 12.30 and leave it there for a few days see how that helps.
I agree with later set nap time.  Whether it lengthens again or not it balances out the day more, discourages EW from the nap coming too early and reduces the A time before BT which can also cause EWs with OT before BT.
My guess is it would lengthen some though.


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Re: Grrr help please :(
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2017, 19:27:18 pm »
Hi Lindsay. Thank you :)

I wonder if your LO is going through teething or SA? Since she had previously done the long naps when you dropped.

I decided to do a set nap bc he completely rejects drhe CN at all costs. I did do the capping  of nap 1 but I didn't prefer it since it's his best nap and he's always took 2-3 hrs w it. Also, when I did cap it, it backfired bc he still rejected the CN :( ....so I just decided to go this way.

Thanks for the suggestion... he's always had a longggggg morning A. So I never really thought of that! It makes sense though :)

Hmmm I will give it a go since this set nap isn't working much anyway ::)
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Re: Grrr help please :(
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2017, 19:29:46 pm »
Hi Creations!

Well today he was falling asleep in his high chair! That's a first. On his own :( poor baby. He had another EW today but eventually went back to sleep on his own but I had to wake for a school run anyway ::)

Around 11:00am he was falling asleep :( ....today he went down at 12:15, lets see what happens!

The AT yst didn't seem to make a diff. He wakes at the same time from a nap. Whether it was 4, 4.5, 5 hr AT, he still short napped.

::) ...very tiring!
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Re: Grrr help please :(
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2017, 13:19:12 pm »
The AT yst didn't seem to make a diff. He wakes at the same time from a nap. Whether it was 4, 4.5, 5 hr AT, he still short napped.
It's nto what happens in a single day which settles routine though. One day on a different A time is not going to show you the results of that A time or set nap time.

If you are going to reduce the first A and go for a morning CN and a long afternoon nap as Lyndsay has suggestion for one option then you also wouldn't judge results on one day - you would need to be consistent to establish it and see how the results tern out over time.

Many times I see toddlers take a long while to adapt to a new routine.  For instance taking time to increase nap length after the 2-1 or taking time to increase night length after the 1-0. and often what I see is settling after weeks of consistency (rather than days).


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Re: Grrr help please :(
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2017, 18:34:39 pm »
Try and stick with the later nap times for a few days and just see how you go. Push through the OT in the AM and aim for nap to be 12.15/12.30. Or even fix at 12.15 for a while if he cant make it to 12.30.

I cant remember what age DD and DS was but we scrapped looking at A times when they had fully establised one nap. The one nap did start off at around 11am but was gradually pushed later just so it eventually fit into the middle of the day. A times didnt seem so important at this point and more of just watching cues and acting on issues if they arose (EW, NW) YK?

How did todays nap go?
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Re: Grrr help please :(
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2017, 19:09:49 pm »
Hi thanks Creations!

I actually decided to stick w the set nap only because I've done the capping and it backfired bc he simply just refuses any afternoon sleep!

His nap was 2.5 hrs ;D whooooooo. Wake up was 7:15 am today so we are good w that 12pm nap.

See how it goes. Either way I need to wake before 2:30 with school runs... so far so good so we'll see how it goes. Thanks a lot mamas :)

Something else I would like suggestions with if y'all have any for me :D

What are yalls tips on SA at this age? We used to simply walk out so easily (as he's always been angel baby for sleep) and lately for about 1.5 mths he's needed a hand or a touch... if I leave like before he stands up and screams. He also cries a lot upon waking. Tips on how to handle SA with hopes of not adjusting him to rely on my hand to sleep...?

Also, suggestions on wind down routines? The older he gets the more stimulated he is with so much fun stuff around him ;) ....it seems he needs more of a wind down or something to settle him or he won't settle to sleep either... what do you all use for new wind downs with these toddlers ;) it's been awhile since I had another one hehe :)

Xo thank you!!
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Re: Grrr help please :(
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2017, 09:32:19 am »
SA, or what looks like SA at nap time can be UT, that's what I found with my DS anyway and have seen on several threads.  Although LO might calm and go to sleep with a hand on him at an earlier time, if the nap is moved later there is often a reduction in the SA symptoms.  Obviously SA can be for other reasons too and can be very apparent during A times, I'm just mentioning what I've found with the SA around naps.
I think if you keep that nap at the later time (I think you are at 12pm, you might move it later, even "set" naps can be moved when needed to establish the most suitable routine) you might see a reduction in SA.
Another reason for SA is of course OT and LO just being a grouch from not having enough sleep. IMO the later nap can lead to a better nap and can also reduce afternoon OT signs or at least reduce the A time to BT which helps to avoid OT during this transition.
For SA during A time I found the best routine through was to take him everywhere with me, talk to him about everything I was doing and tell him if I was leaving the room, invite him to come with me, or tell him I'd be back eg "I am just getting my drink from the kitchen, I'll be back".  When I returned to the room I'd say "I'm back" - I found these key phrases very useful as he grew up and he seemed to have a lot of confidence and trust in them.

WD - hmm..sorry but I'm going to say the same thing again.  The later nap time can really help with WD.  What can appear to be a need for a long WD can really be LO being unable to settle well for the nap due to a touch of UT.  I found for most phases when mine was super tired he slept well, any slight UT caused big problems for us (including waking too early from the nap and being a huge grouch all afternoon).  Mine liked a very short WD or he felt he was missing out on the day. Upstairs, wee/nappy on, into bed room , one song with cuddle and into bed, kiss and walk out.
 
Hope you have a good day x


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Re: Grrr help please :(
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2017, 20:54:48 pm »
Hi thank you :)

Yes jean never been one to really need a long wind down.

Well I kept to the 12pm nap and same thing. Just stands and cries. And today gave me a 30 min nap... I resettled and he only slept an additional 20 mins.

For months even at BT ...it doesn't matter how tired or UT he is- he just stands and screams. Every time. As soon as I get hand off of him- cries.

So I am not sure what it is then. Looks like we'll be back to EBT today and an EW tmw pushing his nap before 12... I was soon 12 when he woke at 7...

:-/
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Re: Grrr help please :(
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2017, 16:18:53 pm »
How have things been?
I see Jody suggested 12.30pm for the set nap - have you considered this?


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Re: Grrr help please :(
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2017, 19:05:37 pm »
Hi how r u :)

Thanks for checking in.

Well as I mentioned above, SA is serious and I wish I had a way to remove myself from the equation. For months it was always a kiss good night and out the door... now he wants to stand, yell and won't sit down. Then if I help him down, walk away--- he stands and does it again and again. Regardless of nap time or bed time.... it could be UT but I genuinely feel it's OT/OS and he can't settle.

He's grown accustomed to using a hand to fall asleep- any suggestions on that?

Well, he had gave me a 30 min OT nap which I resettled and he fell back to sleep for an additional few mins. Refused CN so ended up with a BT of 6:00-ish pm. Yesterday he did an EW of 5:30 unable to resettle (mind you, EWs are rare with him and NWs have stopped) ...so I ended up doing nap at 11:30 am since his day before that was rough and the EW... I figured he was tired? Should I have stuck to the same nap time, regardless you think? .....he napped again less than 1.5hrs (about 1.15) and refused CN as usual... BT was around 6:15pm by the time he went to sleep.

Today he slept in so he must've been OT! Woke at 7:15am and his nap was at 12:00... still needed my hand but very quickly fell asleep. Within maybe 1-2 mins. He was a bit OS and tried to stand when I removed hand slightly but he dozed off.

What do you think??
No I haven't tried 12:30pm ...I've stuck to 11:30-12:00
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Re: Grrr help please :(
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2017, 20:37:13 pm »
Woke up screaming again less than 1.5 hrs


I'm just over tiring the kid honestly is how I feel :( ? I've pushed him to 5hr A and done this set nap for weeks and it's just making him tired bc he won't nap long :(?

:'(

This was the same amount of time from when I got that 7am WU last time and got a long nap so I don't know anymore. You don't think this could possibly do with the hand on him thing? He's became accustomed and can't settle? He just wakes so miserable :'(

:-/
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