Author Topic: Help! 14mo NW (Read 4411 times)

clarem100 · « **on:** April 06, 2017, 10:07:53 am »

Hello

I could do with some advice with NW please.
We have recently transitioned my 14mo to 1 nap as it was getting to be a real struggle to get her to have 2. On the whole, she is dealing pretty well with it and I think we are largely avoiding OT. however, she occasionally has nights where she wakes and will then stay awake for an hour or an hour and a half. I generally don't go in to her as this seems to make it worse and apart from crying for a few seconds when she initially wakes, she mostly just lies there talking to herself. The problem is, once she wakes me up, I have great difficulty getting back to sleep so this is affecting me a lot. When she woke at 2.50 one night last week that was it for me for the night! I do have anxiety and struggle to relax when I know that she is still in there awake.
So my question is how to survive with the NW. she has cut a lot of teeth recently but generally I think when these are causing her problems, she cries out in her sleep rather than waking to chat.
Would you still stick with a 1 nap the day after a disturbed night? I worry about making her OT. She doesn't have a dummy or anything else in bed with her.
I should also add that For naps she is normally asleep withon10 minutes but at bedtime it's more often 30/40 minutes which hasn't changed since she changed to 1 nap

21/03
6.35
11.10-12.30
12.43?-1.30
7.09

Cried in sleep from 4.30

22/03
6.53
11.25-1.18
7.08?

Cried at 8.30 and 10.40 but stayed asleep

23/03
6:52
11.35?-12.18
4.08?-4.36 sling.
7.38

Cried in sleep on and off all night

24/03
6.31
11.07?-1.29
7?

Cried briefly at 9 but slept all night

25/03
6.25
11.25?-12.40 asleep maybe earlier
7.05?

Cried out once in night

26/03 clocks change
7.40?
12.10?-2 woke up
7.30? (Not sure when she fell asleep)

27/03
6.52
11.25?-12.40? Cried when woke up
6.40?

28/03
6.45
11.18-2.03
Cried at 12.30 but stayed asleep
7.25? Not sure exactly

Cried out a few times and woke briefly

29/03
7
11.33-1.30 woke up
7.14

30/03
6.58
11.33?-12.37
6.44

Awake 2.53-4.20

31/03
6.27
10.35-11.41 woke up
3.53-4.28 cuddled as wouldn't sleep in bed
7.18

clarem100 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 06, 2017, 10:08:57 am »

01/04
7.52
12.25?-2.10
7.28 (had done a poo)

02/04
6.44
11.25-12.51
7.20

03/04
7.20
12-1.45
7.28

04/04
5.45
6.45???-7.26
12-1.25
6.55

05/04
6.19
7.45?-8.08
12.30?-1.48
7?

Awake 4.30-6?

06/04
7.10

clarem100 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 09, 2017, 07:02:53 am »

So we had another NW last night. 1 hour 50 minutes $:-\$
Thankfully she has slept in late this morning so has caught up a bit on sleep but I anxious about these NW and how long she is staying awake for

06/04
7.10
11.50?-1.13 (couldn't put her down any earlier)
7.10

Cried out at midnight and woke for 10 minutes

07/04
7
11.47?-2 woke up. Cried at 1.15 but stayed asleep
7.20

08/04
7
11.32?-12.48
7.10

Awake 2.20-4.10

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 09, 2017, 14:57:56 pm »

Hi maybe you put the odd CN in if you think the Ot is building up? My DS2 is 14 months and we have mostly 2 nap dats and some 1 nap days.

clarem100 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 09, 2017, 16:15:57 pm »

Hello
Second naps became a nightmare (would only sleep if I was holding her) so I'm trying to avoid that as much as I can. Could the NW be due to OT?

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 09, 2017, 18:25:51 pm »

It could be but generally OT NW are easily settled, if it's prolonged or lots of crying could be discomfort.

Can you not get a car CN in? I can pretty much get 20 mins if I time a car ride right?

I find if nap is less than 1.5 hours and ends before 2pm then I need another quick micro nap in otherwise we get night wake ups.

If you can only get 1 nap I'd prob try pushing to 12 noon and see if you can get a good 1.5/2 hour nap, or bring BT 15 mins earlier.

Do you try medicine at NW?

ladymugg · « **Reply #6 on:** April 09, 2017, 21:53:09 pm »

My goodness this sounds very similar to what is happening here, although transitioned to one nap a couple of months ago. Keen to follow and hear suggestions. In the meantime, take care

clarem100 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 10, 2017, 07:43:54 am »

She generally cries when she wakes in the night - like she's upset at being woken. But then she will just lie there awake and sometimes chatting so I just leave her to it unless she cries again. I have been medicating before bed but have stopped as it doesn't seem to be making any difference. She has cut a lot of teeth recently.
Husband has the car for work so I can't do a car nap and I have my 4yo home with me so can't easily go out
I have tried bed at 6/6.15 on the days where she hasn't napped long but she still takes at least 30 minutes to fall asleep, sometimes longer :-/

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 10, 2017, 07:48:33 am »

Could be developmental, is she walking or babbling a lot? Might just be a case of keeping that nap at midday and waiting it out then if another nap is a no go.
I remember with my DS1 it took a good couple of months for the nap to get to 2 hours consistently x

clarem100 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 10, 2017, 11:44:43 am »

yes she is babbling a lot. Only walking holding hands at the moment but i don't think it will be too long before she is off. I remember with my eldest it was only around 18 months that she started napping for 2-3 hours. Before that she would survive on 40 minutes! but she slept a solid 12-13 hours at night so I never really worried about it!

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 10, 2017, 12:03:11 pm »

Possibly those 2 new skills are causing it x

clarem100 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 10, 2017, 12:06:54 pm »

I do hope so - at least then it's temporary!

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 10, 2017, 12:23:47 pm »

Fingers crossed x

clarem100 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 10, 2017, 12:56:52 pm »

another question - lots of her naps are exactly 1 hour 20 minutes. She was a chronic 40 minute napper and now she seems to do 2 sleep cycles. Is there any way to lengthen them? Wake 2 sleep generally doesnt work with her

Lindsay27 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 10, 2017, 13:22:43 pm »

This first thing that jumped out to me when I looked over the routine is that I think she could be UT. She's giving you decent WUs anywhere from 6:30-7:30am, so I would not do a nap before 12 noon. 1.20hr naps are also a pretty classic sign of UT. I would actually try to set a nap at say 12:30. My DD is slightly older, but we now have a set nap of 1pm and her WU is usually 6:30am.

clarem100 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 10, 2017, 13:51:53 pm »

Thank you. I have been wondering about this. I have been aiming for a 4.5/4.75 A time in the morning but I am thinking about doing a set nap at 12.30 (this works well for me as I get home from picking my daughter up from pre school just before that).
If we have a night where she had a long NW would you still do the same nap time?

Lindsay27 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 10, 2017, 14:05:28 pm »

I generally try to keep the same nap time, it helps to regulate them and if you keep the same time it might actually help her nights. I think you are in kind of a UT/OT situation, so UT for the nap so it's not overly long/restorative, and then OT by the end of the day because nap wasn't long enough. If she has a bad night and absolutely can't make it to 12:30, I'd just try for a 15min CN in the morning...in the car or something.

clarem100 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 10, 2017, 14:14:32 pm »

I will give it a go!

clarem100 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 12, 2017, 12:47:05 pm »

Help!
So today and yesterday we have had really short naps but longer nights. I'm not really sure what to do...

10/04
7.50 had eyes open at 6.30, don't know if she'd been awake or not
12.28?-1.48
7.10?

Cried at 2am don't know if she woke up

11/04
8:05
1.15?-2.23 cried at 35 minutes but stayed asleep
7?

12/04
7.26
12.30?-1.32?

clarem100 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 13, 2017, 14:02:10 pm »

Today we have had a 55 minute nap

As it happens, this morning she woke at 6.15 but I fell back to sleep and when I woke later she was drifting off again so I let her sleep. So her nap today has been very late so she will make it to bed ok now on that short nap anyway. All of our house are on easter holidays hence the lie ins so I guess she's making the most of it too. I will go with the flow a bit as her overall sleep is still ok even with the short naps. But, next week when we have to get back into earlier wake ups, she will need longer! Are the 55 / hour naps still UT do you think?

Last night she fell asleep at 7 then
Woke 6.15
Back to sleep 7.42-8.35 I woke her up
1.37-2.30

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 19, 2017, 19:45:00 pm »

Hi how's things? We have lost some posts due to a change of server so just checking in x

clarem100 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 20, 2017, 18:22:46 pm »

Had a NW every other night this week so far. I am trying to push the nap later and today she managed 2 hours 40 minutes. I had to wake her up in the end as it was 3.30 and didn't want bedtime to be horrendous!! Going to keep trying with later naps and shorter afternoons for a week or so and see if that helps

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 20, 2017, 18:33:31 pm »

Good plan, most things need a week before deciding x

clarem100 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 25, 2017, 14:03:35 pm »

Hello
So things are going much better at the moment touch wood! I am doing a set nap time (within 30 minute s anyway) so between 12.30 and 1. Naps are lasting 2-2.5 hours

However, this leads me to my next question...should I be waking her at any point or just let her sleep? Some days when I have to pick up my eldest I have to wake her at 2.45 anyway, but on the other days would you wake her at say 3? We do aim for a 7/7.30 bedtime

Lindsay27 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 25, 2017, 14:07:34 pm »

I don't wake my DD at all, unless a nap is lasting past 4pm or longer than 3hrs - those 2 things I believe would end up messing with BT and night sleep. I'd just let her sleep as along as she needs, and if it starts to interfere with BT or nights then work on capping, but usually when LOs first drop to 1 nap they'll do a good long nap for a while before it starts affecting much.

clarem100 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 25, 2017, 14:22:19 pm »

Great thanks! You were right about pushing the nap later!

Lindsay27 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 25, 2017, 14:31:08 pm »

Yes it didn't take long for my DD to need a much longer A time in the morning - we've been set at a 1pm nap since about 14 months

clarem100 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 29, 2017, 07:30:15 am »

Can I have some more ideas please. We just can't seem to get a good routine going. One day she does one thing and the next day it's completely different.

25/04
7.19
1.14-3.19 woke up
7.14
Don't know if awake in night but did cry out

26/04
6.10
1?-2.12
6.28
Awake 4.30-5.25?

27/04
7.15
12.44-2.55
7?
Cried at 10.30 and awake for a little. Cried at 1 and 2 but think stayed asleep

28/04
6.05
12.32-1.54 stirred and cried out but didn't really wake
2.05?-2.43
7.05

Don't think cried in night

29/04
5.45
6.50-

We've started to have some earlier wake ups. It seems that if she wakes before about 6.15 she is still tired and could go back to sleep. I try not to get her up until 7 as that's when my eldest gro clock goes yellow. So today she went back to sleep at 6.50. It's 8.30 and she's still asleep and i mean a proper deep sleep. Her door is open and we're all up and making noise but she's stlll asleep. I'm probably going to really regret this later but I'm stuck on when I should let her sleep. Clearly she's still tired but I don't want to get a habit of waking early then going back to sleep. We're still getting NW here and there too. There seems to be no consistency in our routine and it's stressing me out.

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 30, 2017, 12:19:05 pm »

Try not to get stressed it's a tricky age.

How did the day go in the end?

clarem100 · « **Reply #29 on:** April 30, 2017, 13:40:10 pm »

So she eventually woke up at 8.30. She then napped 1.50-3.10 and was asleep at 7.20. I'm not even hearing her in the night anymore when she wakes but my husband said he heard her chatting at some point and she's normally awake for at least an hour when she does wake. So because I'm not hearing her wake in the night anymore I'm not sure when she is sttn and therefore unsure of what is and isn't working in our routine.

clarem100 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 30, 2017, 15:09:36 pm »

I'm wondering whether to start waking her at 7 every morning regardless of whether or not she's been awake in the night. Generally at the moment if she has had a NW she will sleep in later in the morning. I have been trying to stick with a set nap time give or take 20 minutes or so but I'm finding that when she's had a NW and therefore a late wake up she isn't ready for her nap until much later. Could it be that our A time before bed is too short? I'm a bit worried about this causing Ot though?
My aim would be for a wake up between 6.30 and 7, nap between 12.30 and 1 and bed around 7 ish

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #31 on:** April 30, 2017, 16:20:00 pm »

I always wake mine by 7am as like a 7/7.30 bt and it fits with naps for school runs.

I'm starting to find that mine needs to be up by 2.30pm to have a chance of 7pm bt or we gets lots of chatting. I'd say with NW if she's not crying out or needing you don't worry too much just stick to your day as normal.

At the min we do 9.45am 20 min CN then nap 1pm-2.30pm bt 7

If it's a 1 nap day it is nap 12-2 ish bt 6.45/7 I do tend to try and keep it within 15 mins x

clarem100 · « **Reply #32 on:** April 30, 2017, 16:31:27 pm »

No she doesn't need me during the NW. She cries out initially, like she's upset at being woken. Sometimes she will stay asleep but others she wakes then just lies there for an hour + until she drifts back to sleep. shes been doing this since January :-/

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 30, 2017, 18:41:05 pm »

That's really good she doesn't need you, sometimes there is no reason for these NW that we can get to the bottom of x

clarem100 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 15, 2017, 06:54:41 am »

I could do with a bit more help as we are still getting long NW. Last night we had one 2.30-4am but she didn't cry out when she woke up, I just happened to wake and check the monitor, which makes me wonder if she's waking more than I realise. (I have to wear earplugs as husband snores).
Our naps have generally got better which is good but I can't work out what is waking her at night and I am worried about how long she is staying awake for. I am struggling with anxiety over this (worried she's going to do it forever mainly!) and my sleep is suffering which isn't helping.

09/05
6.18
12.39-2.37
7.10
Awake in night. Don't know how long for

10/05
6.54
12.45?-2.20
6.55?

11/05
6.05
12.33-1.45
2.07?-2.45
7.34

12/05
6.05
12.42-2.40 (was woken up)
7.24
Awake at 11.30 and 1.15 until 1.45. Don't know how long for or if awake the whole time

13/05
6.55?
12.42-2.55
7.25?
Don't know if awake in night

14/05
7.18
1.24-3.17 woke up
7.45?
Awake 2.30-4?

15/05
7.13?

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #35 on:** May 15, 2017, 21:02:23 pm »

Awhh sweetie try not to let it get you anxious there are times when LO wake at night and she must be content as she doesn't need you.

One of Tracy's book refers to toddlers being awake for long periods at night and it's normal and to leave them to it unless of course they need you. I guess they are maybe processing the day or their brains are working on the next adventure.

Her day looks good and if she's happy I'd try to just let her be....it won't last forever honestly. My DS1 used to have long NW and be an EW (did a year of 4.30 wakes that I couldn't fix) but he's 5 now and doesn't wake up in the night hardly ever and sleeps from 7.30-6.30/7am.

I often hear DS2 chatting away in the night and he's 15 months so it's pretty normal, the good thing is if they are happy to be in their beds chilling x

clarem100 · « **Reply #36 on:** May 16, 2017, 07:00:53 am »

That is reassuring thank you. I really suffer with anxiety and this doesn't help at all when I'm tired. She has an ear infection now too to add to it all

Haribo2012 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 16, 2017, 15:25:16 pm »

The ear infection won't help poor thing.

I used to be very anxious about DS1 sleep and I know it's easier said than done when people say relax don't worry about it, but I always think that as long as your kids are fed, happy and relatively well rested there isn't much more you can do

clarem100 · « **Reply #38 on:** May 19, 2017, 13:18:07 pm »

thank you. She has also cut a bottom molar this week along with the ear infection so that hasn't helped but I no it's not the sole reason for her wake up. Another last night i think 2.30-3.45. I woke up and registered that she was awake but forced myself to not stare at the monitor and i managed to go back to sleep until 3.45 when i looked again and she was just drifting off again. I guess I will just have to try and make myself do that. You are right though, she is a very happy baby and doesn't get tired and grouchy so I guess it's ok for her!

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