Should I wake?

[My little Liam]

We have been pushing DDs A times as we are transitioning from 3-2 naps. Did 2hr45 A this morning and got 35 min. Second A 2hr50 and she has been sleeping for over 2 hours. Should I wake her? At what point if at all?

WU 0625
A 2hr47
S 0912-0938
A 2hr52
S 1230-

How should the rest of the day go? She needs an entire A after short naps as well as long so if I do a 3rd nap BT will be really late but without it BT will be insanely early and I don't see her sleeping more tan 12hrs MAX.
What should I do?

[creations]

Hi there
Looks like there was no one around to respond right away. Hope the rest of the day panned out okay for you though.

FWIW I would have let her sleep as long as possible and then judged if it was going to be early or late BT based on the wake up time from that second nap and if she accepted or refused a CN later on.

[My little Liam]

She woke after 2hr15, at 1445, and was asleep for the night at 1830.


WU 0625
E 0635
A 2hr47
S 0912-0938
E 1030
A 2hr52
S 1230-1445
E 1455
A 3hr45
BT 1830
NW 1945
NW 2045 Cry out
NW 0030 bf
NW 0300 bf
NW 0500 bf
WU 0630

I pushed today to 3hr A for the morning nap and got 35 minutes and I will holds there for a few days.
What do you think about so many NWs? Usually she will wake once around 3 for a bf and that's it but when she wakes more often she will not cry until I feed her. It's more a comfort thing I'm sure because she isn't really that hungry. She is a fully independent sleeper at naps and BT.

[Bera]

I think the NW may be related to your last A time being so long - in my experience, my sons last A is usually equal to or slightly less than his previous A times.

He's on 2 naps and he's 8 months old E.g. Atm, his 1st A is 3hr30, 2nd A 3hr15 and 3rd A is 3hr (if the 2nd nap is a catnap of 45 mins or less then I do 2hr45).

I've found that the final A time is key to preventing/reducing NW and also to prevent him from waking frequently during the 1st 1-2 hours after BT.

Have you tried doing PUPD or shush pat so she can settle without BF for some of the wakings (if you know she's not hungry and she's waking for comfort).

I'm no expert, still trying to figure out our ideal schedule myself but I HTH

[My little Liam]

Yes I do realize that the last A time is too long but I cannot put down earlier than 1830 and she refused the CN after such a long second nap. I know the early eavening NW are OT but I'm not so sure about the late night and early morning ones...

[creations]

Thanks for stopping by to pay it forward Bera

I think the early morning NWs were likely linked to that last long A time too.
Others - possibly GS or due to OT too.

[My little Liam]

Today has been rough
Pushed to 3hr A

WU 0630
E 0645
A 3hr
S 0930-1005
E 1045
A 2hr53
S 1258-1328
E 1245
E 1615
A 2hr57
S 1625-1715
A 2hr15 put down (2hr45 asleep)
BT 1930 put down (2000 asleep)

Every time I do 3 naps i get resistance at BT unless I do naps around 2 hours but then we have chatty NW. She was screaming her head off as I was trying to relax her and she just couldn't settle. Normally she settles easily. I am sure she was OT but I can't imagine putting down before 2hr15...
Should I stick to 3hr A tomorrow and hope for longer naps?

[My little Liam]

Last night

BT 2000
NW 0030 bf
NW 0430 bf
WU 0630

Today
WU 0630
A 3hr
S 0930-1005 35 minute nap again!!!
What do these naps mean

[creations]

Can you do a W2S to see her through the transition during naps?

It's hard to tell if its OT in which case she'll just get used to the longer A time in a while or if its a bit of UT and she isn't transitioning into the next cycle.  My DS's naps often looked OT when they were in fact UT.

Perhaps a bit of experimentation needed. Or see if a shorter/longer first A is needed followed by the opposite prior to BT.

Sorry for the delay in responding. I have a terribly bad back making it hard to come on but then I am also experiencing huge problems with the new server which I am sure will get sorted eventually. But I can rarely respond each day at the moment.

[My little Liam]

Well since we last spoke I have been trying to gdo by her... we have been kind of going back and forth between 2 and 3 naps but the days of 3 naps are they are always short and super long day with problems settling. On the other hand a 2 nap day if I get the times right we have good naps but also a bit of a problem settling at BT and more night wakings

These are the last 2 days:


26/04
WU 0655
E 0745
A 2hr20
S 0915-1015
E 1045
A 2hr25 asleep at 2hr40
S 1240 asleep at 1255-1325
E 1345
A 2hr37
S 1602-1637
E 1645
A 2hr38 asleep at 3hr40
BT 1915 asleep at 2017
NW 0240
NW 0530
WU 0655

27/04
WU 0655
E 0750
A 2hr27
S 0922-1038
E 1100
E 1345
A 2hr50 asleep at 3hr10
S 1325 asleep at 1347-1507
E 1700
A 3hr23 asleep at 3hr38
BT 1830 asleep at 1845
NW 1920
NW 2315
NW 0215
NW 0515
WU 0620


So we obviously have better naps with longer As but when I have pushed the morning A any longer we have gotten 35 minute naps. The short morning A  seems to work with a longer nap but is probably causing the early morning waking around 5, right?

Today I am trying to push the morning A once again

28/04
WU 0620
E 0745
A 2hr45
S 0905-0945!!! Every time I stech the A time we get a shorter nap...

So what do you think? Do you think the 35 minute naps are UT or OT?
So far anything over 2.5hr A in the morning is getting us 35 minutes and shorter we get a pretty good nap. On the one hand it makes me feel like it's OT but on the other hand it doesn't make much sense, does it? Do I just need to keep pushing past 3hrs? I'm kind of confused....

[creations]

I would keep the first A time around 2hr 30. If 2hr 20 is better for the longer nap then do that but try not to go shorter than that on the A time as it's hard to get through the day.  This first nap coming after a shorter A time is not necessarily the cause of earlier waking, yes a nap too early *can* cause earlier waking but so can a long A time before BT.  It looks like the NW at 5.15 ish could be caused by OT at BT rather than the first nap being too early.
I would really try to get BT earlier on the days the naps are short or only two naps and not go over the 3hrs. I know it can be hard to get them to bed so early when there is all sorts to do in the evening though!