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16 week old EASY routine help
« on: August 09, 2018, 00:30:24 am »
Hi ladies! Hoping I can get some help with my EASY routine. My LO currently catnaps for 30 mins for majority of his naps since he was about 9/ 10 weeks old. At that age I was still feeding him every 2 hours and it worked but as he got older I noticed he didnít eat as well and spit up a lot with the 2hr feedings. So now Iíve pushed it to 3 hrs and heís very happy with it however itís very hard to stick to 3hrs when he only naps for 30 mins. Iíve increased his awake time to 1hr 40 min, the first awake time is still pretty short for him, not sure if I should try to extend it. Any advice would be great!

EASY schedule when I canít extend naps

Wake up 7am
E: 7am
A:
S: 8:20/8:25am (naps until 8:55 and I leave him in his bassinet for 15/20 mins - on occasion he can go back to sleep but itís rare)

E: 10am
A:
S: 10:40am (slept until 11:10am could not resettle got him up at 12)

E: 12:30pm
A:
S: 1:00  (slept until 1:30 could not resettle got him up at 1:50)

E: 3:00pm
A:
S: 3:40pm (got up at 4:10)

E: 4:30p
A:
S: 5:40p (got up at 6:10)

In bed by 7:50pm. DF 10pm. Nights are fairly good with one or two wakes but he usually has an early wake around 5:30am. I usually shhh/pat back to sleep.



This is my EASY schedule when I can get at least one long nap.
Wake up 6:30-7am (mostly 7am)
E: 7am
A
S: 8:20/8:25am (naps until 8:55 and I leave him in his bassinet for 15/20 mins - on occasion he can go back to sleep but itís rare))

E: 9:30am if he doesnít go back to sleep (10am if I need to wake him up)
A
S: 10:40am (naps until 11:10/11:15 and takes about 30 mins to resettle)

E: 12:45p/1pm (depending on when he wakes up)
A:
S: 2:25p/2:40p (sleeps for 30mins)

E: 3:30pm
A:
S: 4:25/4:40p (sleeps for 30 mins)

E: 5:30/6p
In bed by 7pm
DF: 10pm


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Re: 16 week old EASY routine help
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2018, 08:40:43 am »
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Is your LO an independent sleeper?  How does he settle down for naps and night sleep?  If he is independent what method did you use to sleep train?

How long ago did you increase the A time to 1hr 40?  If it's been a while you could add another 10 mins on and see if it helps.  Some LOs have a 2hrA time at 4 months.

Have you tried W2S (wake to sleep)?
https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=223809.0
look at naps option 1, you'd need to start earlier than the 30 min it say in the FAQ if your LO is waking at 30 min.

When you manage to get the longer nap in the morning there isn't a need to wake him at 10am.  He isn't going to starve himself and will let you know if he is hungry, otherwise I'd let him sleep until he wants to wake naturally, say 2hrs and feed at that point.  At 4 months most LOs are moving to the 4hr EASY so feeds are every 4 hrs not 3hr.  You don't need to force him to wait for food though, being asleep will naturally extend the E times and it's okay to extend the E a little at a time.  Some LOs can't make it to 4hr for food and you don't have to force it but neither do you need to wake him to feed at 3hr. Hope that makes sense.

At BT there is usually a feed right before sleep even if it has not been 3hrs and you can still do the DF at 10pm.

Hope this helps. Let us know how you get on.


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Re: 16 week old EASY routine help
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2018, 10:28:21 am »
Hi

Hi Creations!

As of lately he is an independent sleeper, Iíll put him down in his bassinet about 10 mins before nap time/bedtime and heís able to go to sleep within 10-15 mins. We have about 5 mins of wind down. I used the shh/patt for awhile and it worked pretty well.

I increased it about a week ago but Iím not seeing a difference. Would it hurt to try to have him stay awake for 2 hours to see what happens or would that create OT?  Iíve tried both W2S options. LO seems to wake up regardless if Iím there patting him but I did try that awhile ago so I can re-try.

Update - tried the W2S option 1 and it actually woke him up before the 30 min mark and it took about 40 min to get him back to sleep  :-\ I think heís very sensitive to touch.

As for night time I noticed heís kicking and tossing for about 1-2 hours either sound 1:30sm or 4:30am. Doesnít usually cry but it sounds like broken sleep, is this from OT during the day?

As for the 4hr feeds, he usually only takes 3oz at a time (ebf) and only eats from one boob usually isnít interested in more - is this enough to last him 4hrs?

Thanks!!
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Re: 16 week old EASY routine help
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2018, 07:10:13 am »
As of lately he is an independent sleeper
Great :)

Would it hurt to try to have him stay awake for 2 hours to see what happens or would that create OT?
Try it for a couple of days and see how it goes.  it could be just what he needs.
I'd probably increase by 10 mins for a day or 2 first then the other 10 mins.

W2S option 1 and it actually woke him up before the 30 min mark and it took about 40 min to get him back to sleep
It doesn't exactly keep them asleep, they will wake anyway as they reach the end of a sleep cycle, but the idea is that because you are already there it can be easier to sooth back into the next sleep cycle rather than them waking fully to call out for you. It can take several days as part of the short naps is it being habitual so if you keep trying for several days you might see some change.
If it's driving you crazy though just do it on one nap per day, or accept the shorter naps for now.

With the feeding. It's advised to BF on demand but if he's asleep you don't need to wake him to feed.  He will let you know if he can't go 4hrs.


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Re: 16 week old EASY routine help
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2018, 14:21:52 pm »
Thank you for the advice! Iíll give W2S another shot then.

A few more questions. I canít seem to read his sleepy cues in the morning. He yawns so much that I usually go by the clock but I know later in the day he can stay awake longer. Should I keep his first awake time short?

If he has 30 mins naps all day (if I am unable to resettle) should I reduce his next awake time?

Also the last 2 nights heís been up around 4:30/5:30 and chatting but also kicking a lot. Iím worried heís not getting enough sleep at night since he does this for about 2+ hours. Is this a cause of OT?
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Re: 16 week old EASY routine help
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2018, 08:54:51 am »
At this age the sleepy cues such as yawning are not to reliable. It can be either because they need a change of scene.  if it's been a short A time and there is yawning I think I'd go more by the clock rather than risk another UT nap.
Same with the 30 min naps, although you don't want LO OT if you reduce the A time too much you end up with more UT naps which are short.
Short naps are also common at this age due to development and the NWs are probably linked too. If he's hungry in the night it's a GS but if he's just chatting to himself you can leave him to it.


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Re: 16 week old EASY routine help
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2018, 16:37:34 pm »
Thanks! We managed to get a 1.5hr nap! I wasnít too sure which A time it was. LO woke up at 9:15 for the first nap and I shh/patted for 20min. It appeared he was asleep, I believe his eyes were closed so I tip toed out of the room but he woke several mins later at 9:45. He fell asleep for his second nap at 11:35 so Iím assuming the wake time would be 1hr and 50min, counting it from 9:45am?

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Re: 16 week old EASY routine help
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2018, 18:22:07 pm »
If he only slept a very short first nap at 9.15 then you can't really count the second A time properly as 1hr 50 because it came after such a short nap so I would think he would have already had some level of tiredness due to that. I think I'd probably aim for 2hrs and see how it goes.

We managed to get a 1.5hr nap!
Great news!  Hope there is another :)


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Re: 16 week old EASY routine help
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2018, 19:32:21 pm »
I attempted a 2 hr awake time yesterday afternoon and it was chaos! He cried when I put him down, so I had to pick him up soothe him and he cried some more, so I ended up rocking him, placed him in the bassinet and he may have slept for a couple of mins and then woke up again and started cooing. I was finally able to get him to sleep after 1.5 hrs and he had to sleep on me. I'm not sure if he was UT or OT? Then he fought bedtime as well.

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Re: 16 week old EASY routine help
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2018, 18:10:18 pm »
Maybe it was just one of those days.  Tomorrow is another day :)


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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2018, 02:42:37 am »
Question about feedings - if he wakes up from a short nap and I canít resettle, should I feed him earlier? Itís so hard to go 3 hours if he consistently wakes up from a short nap.

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Re: 16 week old EASY routine help
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2018, 07:02:41 am »
Sure, feed earlier if he is hungry.  The routineisn't about forcing baby to go hungry.  At the same time if LO isn't hungry right after a nap because the nap was short then it's okay to have some A time before the feed.


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Re: 16 week old EASY routine help
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2018, 17:45:58 pm »
Thanks! I just returned to work  :( and missing the little one so much! I saw you were moving and hope it went smoothly!

I need some help with our schedule in general. LO is still taking 30 min naps we have pushed his awake time to 1hr 55 for the last 2 days, will push it to 2hrs either tomorrow or day after. My mom is currently taking care of him and itís so hard to time bedtime for 7 everyday since his naps are so unpredictable and bless my mom sheís been patting him back to sleep. Some days are 7, some are 7:30, some days are close to 8. At this point what are his ideal naps and how many? Thanks!

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Re: 16 week old EASY routine help
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2018, 10:50:01 am »
Here's a few links you might find useful:
https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=164253.0
https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=85130.0

If your Lo is a bit older than 4 months now then you might need longer than 2hrs A time to make him tired enough for naps. The A times increase pretty quickly between 4 and 6 months.


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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2018, 17:40:39 pm »
We finally made it to the 2hr awake times! He seems to now be doing 45 min sleep cycles now for the first two naps yay! Progress from 30 min. Do awake times increase as the day goes on? Iíve been researching online and some moms start with a short awake time in the morning and gradually increase e.g 1.75/2/2.25/2.5?

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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2018, 09:17:45 am »
Do awake times increase as the day goes on?
Not always no. It depends on the LO really.  My own liked a very long first A time and shorter after with the last A time before BT being the shortest.  You will work it out based on how well LO sleeps, if there is fussing or refusal at nap time or LO can't transition to the next cycle for a longer nap even with some help you might need to increase one or more of the A times.  Some people follow strict schedules with very long last A times (often from other parenting books) which can lead to OT at the end of the day and night waking or early waking the next morning.

He seems to now be doing 45 min sleep cycles now for the first two naps yay!
You can help him sleep longer by using W2S, here's a link, you start the shush/pat before he is fully awake and take him right through to deep sleep again, this also helps to sleep train as it encourages the habit of sleeping longer.
https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=223809.0
look at naps option 1.
45 min naps are generally UT (under tired, increase the A time) or LO hasn't yet learned to transition alone (needing help and gentle sleep training).

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Re: 16 week old EASY routine help
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2018, 17:11:25 pm »
Thanks! There are days where itís easy to help him transition into next sleep cycle but there are days where itís harder. And weíve been doing W2S for about 2 weeks now. Sometimes he can transition on his own and sometimes he canít. LO is now 19 weeks with 2hr awake times and he continues with the 30-45 min naps. Iím no longer home with him since I returned to work so itís hard to tell when to increase awake times again.

I also have a question about BT, I normally put LO down at 6:50 with goal of him being asleep by 7. Most nights itís been taking him a little longer to fall asleep. He normally has a 2hr awake window between last nap and BT. And then heís been waking at 8:30 for the last 4 nights, is this OT or UT. Only one of these nights has he actually cried. Iím just confused at why he would wake at the 1.5 hr Mark.
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Re: 16 week old EASY routine help
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2018, 07:31:32 am »
A times are increasing at this age.  Your LO is approaching 5 months so you might need more like 2hr 15 or even 2hr 30 to get a better nap.  At 6 months the A time would be 3hrs and usually the CN is dropped leaving two long naps.  This isn't so far off and the time passes quickly so if there is a chance of a longer A time needed now I would try it.

Not sure about the early NW.  If he is okay though I'd just leave him to resettle himself.


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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2018, 20:06:28 pm »
Hi creations! Hoping you can help me. I posted in the naps forum but i believe becj86 has been out.


I have some new questions, LO currently has an awake time of 2hrs and 15mins in the morning and according to my mom he will fall asleep for the nap, wake up after 30 mins play and fall back asleep, wake play and fall back asleep...does he need more awake time? Then for his afternoon nap his awake time is around 2hr and 30 mins and he will occasionally wake after 30 mins, is it time to extend that one too? He will then have a 2hr awake time then third nap then bed after another 2hr awake time. I know the recommendation the awake time for a 6 month old is 3 hours but LO still seems to want that third nap? if we do 3 hour awake times there will be no room for a third nap?

Also we are starting to adjust for daylight savings so we are pushing everything 15 mins every few days and it hasn't been easy.

He schedule is something like this
Wake up 6:30-7am
Milk 7am
nap 915-1030
milk 1045
lunch 12
nap 1-230
milk 245
nap 430-5
dinner 515 (we cut out the milk before the solids since he would barely drink the top off at 630)
milk 630
bed 7/715

What are your thoughts?

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Re: 16 week old EASY routine help
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2018, 08:27:42 am »
Hi
sorry I have connection problems and very rarely managing to get on (and it is dropping every moment even now trying to post this)
I think your LO is around 7 months now so it's likely time to move to 2 naps and the longer A time. EBT helps when dropping the third nap.