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Offline Philothea

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Can 45-60 minute naps be OT?
« on: December 01, 2018, 11:15:05 am »
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DD5 (my sixth) just turned 3 months and I'm still struggling to figure out her EASY. Over the past few weeks we seem to have lost our way rather, getting shorter naps and more night wakings. Some days are really messy. On a really good day, we're doing a 3.5hr EASY with two long naps and a catnap and she'll settle with only sh/pat for all sleeps, but we still get the dreaded OT, soon-after-going-to-bed night waking:

Monday 26th  (after a grizzly, OT day on the Sunday)

E   0740
A   (1:30)
S   0910-1120     patting to settle

E   1120
A   (1:40)
S   1300-1500

E   1500
A   (1:35)
S   1635-1715     pat/sh

A   1715
E
A   (2:05)
E
BT   1920?       pat/sh

Woke 2000. Fed her one side and resettled in cot with pat/sh.
NF   0200-0300

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But the next day...

Tuesday 27th

E   0700
A   (1:40)
S   0840-0940     down independently but woke at 1hr. Tried to extend with patting; she seemed to drift off but would wake whenever I stopped patting.

E   1025
A   osteopath appt.   (1:30?)
S   1155-1245       patting.

Then I needed a break so I lay down and we co-slept till 1430  :-X  (I'd forgotten Tracy said to cap naps at 2hrs)

A   1430
E
A   (1:30)
S   1600-1645    pat/sh

AEA   bath   (2:15)
E   ~1845
S   1900      with pat/sh

Woke 1945. Tried to treat it as a NF and put her down asleep but she woke 5min later. Patted back to sleep

NF   1130
NF   0230    --> into bed with me

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1)   Knowing when to put her down at night is a struggle. Is 2hrs last A too long or are the OT wakings from problems earlier in the day? If too long, by a little or a lot? DD1 (admittedly, a spirited) needed a mere 45min A after her catnap at 4 months. It's hard to know whether Gemma settles well sometimes at BT because it's close to the right A time or whether she's plummeting to sleep from OT.
Am I right in thinking that we won't be able to figure out how long the last A time should be until the rest of her day is more stable?

2)   Should we be aiming for 3 long naps at this age rather than 2+CN?

3)   Can 45 minute or 1 hour naps be OT rather than UT? As that might explain why stretching out A times (such as that 1:40 first A on the Tuesday) seems to give us a shorter nap. And would suggest that to extend the catnap, we'd need to be doing a shorter A time rather than longer.

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Re: Can 45-60 minute naps be OT?
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2018, 16:02:11 pm »
The 3-month growth spurt is loaded with changes in terms of sleep and feeding needs, so sleep schedules will be wonky for a while. We worked on loading up more on daytime calories for a while when we went thru this, and added a dreamfeed to help forestall the NW's that left our DD already-tired when she woke for the day.

We also had to start being right there at the 45-minute mark when DD stirred between sleep cycles for a while, because when she realized her pacifier/dummy had fallen out at that stirring, she would get distressed and fully waken, so "replugging" her before she noticed it was gone for a few days let her settle back to sleep before she really woke up and helped her transition.

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Re: Can 45-60 minute naps be OT?
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2018, 08:09:17 am »
Thanks for your reply, deb.

I guess I thought since we've been floundering for a while that we should be able to do something to help. But perhaps you're right and we need to bide  our time what with the growth spurt now in the mix.

Re: helping her transition - I have wondered whether W2S might help her but I'm too chicken to try while she still manages a long nap or two each day. I imagine picking her up to DF would also wake her and could backfire.  It was so much easier with DD1 being bottle fed!

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Re: Can 45-60 minute naps be OT?
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2018, 08:15:40 am »
I had high hopes come bedtime today that we might avoid early night wakings and have stumbled on her ideal last A. But no such luck :P


A  0715
E   0800
A  (1:15-1:25)
S  0830/40ish in my arms at church

A   0915 woke getting into carseat
E  1040
A  (1:50)
S   1105-1310; pat/sh

E   1310
A ; (2:00)
S   1510-1710   pat

E   1710
A
BT   1825ish ! pat/sh

But woke 1910. E and patted back to sleep. Kept waking, took about an hour till she was properly out again

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Re: Can 45-60 minute naps be OT?
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2018, 08:37:32 am »
My DS1 did the waking soon after bedtime. A few people recommended not trying to put to bed, but Cluster feeding, ie feeds every 15 to 20  until 8 or 9pm and It did help him be more settled. He definitely had his unsettled period in the evenings, which is not uncommon.
dc1 July 03, dc2 May 05