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UT/OT 4 Month Old. Im confused!
« on: December 04, 2018, 10:44:58 am »
Hello ladies. My lo has been on EASY since we took her home from hospital.
From 10 weeks everything went a little nutty. Shes now 4months or 17.5 weeks.
Im trying to figure out where her A times are OT or UT!

Todays EASY
Session 1:
E: 7am
A: (1hr 55m)
S: 8:55am. Woke at 10:15am resettled but not for long. (Total sleep : 1hr20m)

Session 2:
E: 10:40
A: (1hr35m)
S: 12:15. Woke at 12:46 (30m nap). Resettled at 1:10. (Total sleep: 1hr 10m)

Session 3:
E: 1:50
A: (1hr 30m)
S: 3:20. Woke at 3:48 (38m nap). Resettled on and off. 4:40 was rooting so quick feed.  Total sleep: 1hr ?m)

E: 5:20
A: (1hr 40m)
BT: 7pm

DF: 10:30pm
NF: For the past 3 days shes been waking up erratically sometimes 3 times a night whereas in the past it was only once anywhere between 3:30am to 6am

I know they go through a massive growth spurt at 3/4months and we're suppose to be moving towards a 4 hour easy.

My question : Are the A times for session 2 and 3 causing the naps and are they OT or UT?!?!
I put her down to sleep awake and sometimes if shes upset, a few quick chest pats and shes quiet and falls asleep independently. Shes usually asleep within a few minutes of putting her down.

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Re: UT/OT 4 Month Old. Im confused!
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2018, 06:43:19 am »
It's confusing with babies in the first 6months, while often 30min naps can be Overtired and 45 under-tired, they can also be the fact the baby hasn't learned to join sleep cycles together.

Where you say "supposed" to be moving towards 4 hour easy, it's a concept rather than an absolute. Lots Tracy wrote about in her books has now been shown by research to be not necessarily best for baby. As an example BF babies may never go 4 hours between feeds, while FF ones can, they may not be able to do Awake time & sleep time to match 4 hour cycles.
EASY isn't about clock timing, it's more about separating Eat from Sleep, so sleep associations aren't around sucking.

I'm looking at the day you gave above I'd say it was pretty good & I think the problem isn't so much Under tired, as you's struggle to resettle or Over-tired as you'd probably have more fight when trying to get her to sleep at the start of a nap BUT that in developmental terms she's still working on linking sleep cycles.

What you are doing in resettling her is good, esp if you get in early enough so she doesn't wake up too much.

If she's BF I'd definitely try to squeeze in more day feed in the late afternoon as 5.20pm to 10.30 is a long time to go & so it would make sense she then wants t feed more at night.

Just out of interest do you use a soother/Paci as that would change things too & may be why the waking in between sleep cycles happens.
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Re: UT/OT 4 Month Old. Im confused!
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2018, 19:11:01 pm »
Hello and welcome to BW forums :)

I would suggest that the A times are a touch too short, guidance times at 4 months are 1hr 45 to 2hrs (obviously depending on the individual LO) so 1hr 30 could well be leading to an UT nap, sometimes LOs are still tired enough to try to sleep a little but not tired enough to sleep properly.  I think I'd aim for 1hr 45 on those A times which are shorter than that, you can still run the first one longer at the 1hr 55 if that is working for your LO.
Perhaps also try being in the room ready to resettle as/before she stirs, this is a wake to sleep method which is really useful in helping LO learn the habit of longer napping and transitioning between sleep cycles, here's a link, see naps option 1
https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=223809.0
You don't have to go in at 30 mins, you can adjust this method to your own situation if you have a rough idea how long your LO is napping for just go in 5-10 min before hand ready to pat.

hope this helps


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Re: UT/OT 4 Month Old. Im confused!
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2018, 11:36:12 am »
Lots Tracy wrote about in her books has now been shown by research to be not necessarily best for baby. As an example BF babies may never go 4 hours between feeds, while FF ones can, they may not be able to do Awake time & sleep time to match 4 hour cycles.

Thankyou for clarifying, its been 5.5 years since my firstborn!

Just out of interest do you use a soother/Paci as that would change things too & may be why the waking in between sleep cycles happens.

She was a such a sleepy baby for the first 10weeks that i didnt need to use one. Shes now starting to chew her hands so hopefully she'll be able to use these to self soothe in the future.

I think I'd aim for 1hr 45 on those A times which are shorter than that, you can still run the first one longer at the 1hr 55 if that is working for your LO.

i've started to increase her A times a little by little. We're now on 1hr45-55 A times and it has helped in terms of resettling so i'll continue with these A times and hopefully at some stage she'll link both sleeps.


Since i last posted (only 6 days ago)
- ive started to unswaddle one side since she started rolling over. Oddly she seems more calmer with one hand out even though she doesnt use it to soothe.
- she seems to be handling the tiredness alot better. i notice she gets tired and whiny around the 1.5hr mark. I then walk her around doing housework and putting things away for 20mins. I have noticed that if she starts sooking its time for bed.
- she still cries abit before bed, but now i change her to distract her and she quietens down.  I swaddle one side and put her into her bed and she falls asleep within minutes.
- she still wakes up around the 30min mark, but i can go in and resettle her and she seems to go back to sleep alot easier (with a little bit of crying and alot less screaming!) Which i put it down to the increased A times.
- 30mins before bed i offer her a topup bottle. She takes anywhere between 20mls and 60mls.

In hindsight, the crying/screaming before bed must have been undertired or hunger. I just didnt get the memo. lol.