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Mum2lucy:
Hi

It’s baby no 2 for me and I got lots of support for baby no 1 so I’m back again 😄

Baby is 10 weeks old and the curse of the 40 min naps have arrived and I need help. Background to LG is that she isn’t putting on weight well and has had reflux which is medicated but I’m not sure is quite managed. I’m Breast feeding and have to try and feed as much as poss due to weight issues.

I’ve been trying to implement a wind down routine for nap and bedtime. Close curtains, song a song and swaddle and sit shhh patting. However my LG doesn’t seem to like shhh patt at all.
It doesn’t seem to settle her. So ive ended up feeding and/or jiggling to sleep. When she’s woken at 40 mins I’m trying to shh patt her back to sleep but it isn’t working. She has a big sister who is three around so I can’t spend 30 mins or so resettling her.

She used to nap in the sling but it seems to have lost the sleepy dust as she wakes at 40
Mins in there also. When she wakes at 40 mins, she is rooting around like crazy wanting to suck.

Any tips to help me try and get her napping better?

At night she goes down between 7-8 and normally does a good 4/5 hour stint and after that she wakes every 1.5-2 hours until morning

Thanks

creations:

--- Quote from: Mum2lucy on December 12, 2018, 10:24:03 am --- normally does a good 4/5 hour stint and after that she wakes every 1.5-2 hours until morning
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5hrs is classed as sleeping through the night so she's doing brilliantly to manage that.

If she was previously sleeping longer than 40 mins she might need a little extra A time, maybe try putting down (or sling) 5 or 10 mins later than you are doing and see if it helps.


--- Quote from: Mum2lucy on December 12, 2018, 10:24:03 am --- my LG doesn’t seem to like shhh patt at all.
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Some refluxers do not like to be patted as it can be uncomfortable for them.  Instead try a rub either on the back if you are holding her in arms or in the sling or rub her side/nappy area/hip if she's in the cot.  Or if in the cot try a firm hand and a small but quite rapid motion like a jiggle, tiny movement a bit like being in a car or pram.  That's what I did with my DS as he didn't like patting (when he was older the odd time I patted he said "Can you stop that, it doesn't help you know!".
Instead of shushing you could try white noise or a song or key phrase.  Mine had a song I repeated over and over (every nap every night every NW...I sang it a LOT over the years!) and I also introduced key phrases which I repeated like a mantra rather than shushing.

Jiggling can be moved into the cot and can be weaned slowly with an on/off stop/start process just the same as patting.
It may also help to know that Tracy wrote in one of her books that if you do need to rock LO to sleep move in a forward backward motion rather than side to side as it better replicates the motion of being in the womb (ie walking or if you are standing still then put one foot forward and shift weight forward and backward).

Wanting to suck can be for comfort or hunger but can also be a sign that the reflux is not controlled.  Some refluxers can sometimes like to suck to reduce the pain, the swallowing helps. It's also fine to take smaller more frequent feeds and not necessarily move to 3hrs or 4hrs at those guidance ages.  Mine didn't move past 3hr E until 6 months when there was solids between each milk feed.

hope this helps some

Mum2lucy:
Thanks for the reply. Guess I was reluctant to jiggle as it is a prop but maybe it’s needs must.
Since I wrote the initial post, she’s totally stopped sleeping long stretches and has been waking every 45 mins all night. It is killing me! She wants to suck all night and have my nipple in her mouth. I’m all for night feeds due to her weight issues but she wasn’t even feeding. Just suckling.
I can’t function like this! she is swaddled so I’m considering releasing an arm to see if she’ll suck this?

creations:
The sucking all night can be due to reflux discomfort, have you been back to the doc to see if there is anything else can be tried?

Tracy mostly said not to jiggle and rock due to prop forming but she did also cover rocking for those who need it.  I know very many people oin the forums have jiggled and weaned it just like patting.  no problem.

Mum2lucy:
We are under consultant care and we had an appointment about two weeks ago and I’ve got another in 4 weeks. She’s on top dose of ranitidine and also on omeprazole but she has a very sensitive gag reflex so I’m struggling to get her omeprazole into her as it’s a large liquid dose.

I’ve noticed with her naps that she shows tired signs at one hour so it’s upstairs and sleep routine which is only say night to sun, swaddle, sing a song or two so it isn’t long  but I can never manage to get her asleep before the 1.5 hour mark and then she does a 30min nap. When I am out and about she is exactly the same, grumpy from 1 hour mark but won’t sleep until 1.5 hour mark?? 30 mins would be an overtired nap though wouldn’t it? x

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