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« on: August 18, 2005, 19:27:50 pm »
I don't know what else to do. I need a new plan...what we've always done clearly isn't working this time. It's been a week, and there has been zero improvement. Tyler usually babbles for 45 min at bedtime and falls asleep on his own. Naptime, he was usually out within a few min. About 2 wks ago, he started babbling for much longer at naptime too...up to an hour sometimes. That was all fine. About a week ago, the antics began. He throws his loveys out of the crib, cries, we put them back in and say "night night," and it starts over again before we're even out the door. It isn't sep anx, because he does it even if we stand right next to the crib. So after the first lovey toss, we give them back, tell him if he throws his stuff it goes bye bye, and leave. Of course, he throws them, and they get taken. So...now what?

He stands there whining, then escalates to crying. Saying "night night" from outside the door doesn't settle him. If I stand in the doorway, he flops down, all smiles. Then he pops back up immediately, before I even have a chance to turn and walk out. If I continue to stand there, he cries, and I have to up the ante...start to walk toward him. Flops down, pops up, cries. Ups the ante again...I have to do PD. Pops up again. I have to put a hand on his back. Then, and only then, does he settle and stay that way. He immediately starts to doze off. I move my hand, he sits up and cries.

He's not teething, he isn't sick, and this has been going on consistently for over a week now. It goes on for a good 1.5-2 hrs before he finally gives in. He's done this before (never this bad, though), and we've managed to break the cycle within a few days, and he's never fought sleep for this long. He's wound down when he goes in the crib...half the time, he's blinking back sleep when I put him down. Nothing triggered this, and I'm out of answers. He turns off the tears and starts giggling so fast, I'm convinced this is all a game. I just don't know how to break the cycle.

My patience is just about gone, and I don't know what else to do. Please, any advice would be greatly appreciated. I'm sure there has to be a BW solution, I just don't have one!
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2005, 01:45:40 am »
Tracy has some good suggestions on toddler sleep in her newest book, there is a whole chapter devoted to toddler sleep. I don't know what kind of toddler Tyler is, but maybe something there can help?

It really sounds like he is testing his boundaries and you just need to keep on being consistant. The PD thing can be frustrating at that age, but it is really the only BW way to go. He is also learning cause and effect - he drops his loveys, you come back.

So how much sleep is he getting. What time is bedtime, when does he wake for the morning, and when is his usual nap time?
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2005, 02:23:47 am »
Tyler's normal day looks like this...
7:30 - wake
1-3ish - nap
8:30 - bedtime (talks to himself until 9:15)

Normally, he gets somewhere around 12 hrs of sleep. He's spirited/angel, and has generally gotten back on track within a few days. He's never dragged out sleep issues this long, and it's odd that our usual BW way of doing things isn't working. I guess I'm just at a loss...what do you do when they think even a firm mommy's face in the doorway is hilarious? I feel like I'm part of his game at this point! :roll:
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2005, 03:09:31 am »
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I feel like I'm part of his game at this point! :roll:

 8)  I agree. You could try not playing the game, but like you said, that isn't very BW.

I know that as Grace has gotten older, she has required more and more physical activity to "wear her down". We have also been limiting tv more, keeping her more active during the day, limiting sugar intake. That is all stuff you can control. I get her to chase me up and down the back yard.

It sounds like he is being given the opportunity to get plenty of sleep from that schedule. Tracy suggests a set winddown routine for naps and night time, that gets them into sleepy mode. And consistency, which you are doing, continuing to PD. She is all about early bedtimes, since kids who go to bed early and kids that go to bed late all usually wake around the same time - 7am.
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2005, 04:56:11 am »
Hi Melissa

No real advice for you here cos I'm pretty much in a similar situation  :roll: especially the testing the boundaries thing  :shock:

My only thought would be that maybe he needs a little longer before his nap so that he is really tired or maybe a HUGE fun dance or running session before you start his wind down routine

How is he at going to bed in the evening ? does he play the same game or is he more settled?
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2005, 17:59:35 pm »
Going to bed in the evening is the same story. It just blows my mind how stubborn this kid is!

Yesterday he skipped his nap. He has never, ever done that. After 1.5 hrs of fun and games, he settled down so I gave him his loveys back. He then laid in his crib talking to them for the next hr. He passed out cold at bedtime though...nice for a change. I keep hoping we've made a breakthrough. Today's a new day, right?

Hang in there Michaela...keep me posted on how you and Khyan are doing!
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2005, 21:05:27 pm »
hi melissa,

2 thoughts popped into my head as i was reading this.  the first was to tire him out more, pretty much like everyone said.

the other... could he be ready to leave the crib?  jaina has been known to play with her toys for up to an hour after i put her down for a nap, and then she'll either get back into bed or conk out on the floor for a couple hours...

that would be a very personal decision, though, & you'd have to take his personality into consideration.
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2005, 03:07:14 am »
Hey Melissa

How are you and Tyler going? Things any better yet?
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2005, 18:27:13 pm »
It's gotten somewhat better, but it's hard to say. For the last couple of days, he's gone to sleep normally about half the time, so we have had some improvement. He's got a runny nose AGAIN, so I'm wondering if that may have had something to do with it...could be yet another cold, could be teeth (which ones??? We can't be ready for 2 yr molars ALREADY!), I'm not sure yet. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it doesn't get worse again!

How's Khyan?
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2005, 18:39:01 pm »
Hi Melissa,

I certainly don't want to bust your bubble, but you COULD be dealing with 2 year  molars already!!! :shock:

I took Nathan in to get allergy medicine last week, and his ped said his 2 year molars are on the way down, and should start popping soon!!! :shock:  :shock:
My reaction? :twisted:   HE JUST GOT THE 1 YEAR MOLARS THROUGH!!!! :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

And my ds is younger than yours!!!

God bless ya sweetie, I hope he's feeling better soon!
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