Author Topic: All the things I can't eat...BIG MOAN! (Read 4287 times)

Onewoman · « **on:** August 19, 2005, 10:25:53 am »

I just need to have a good grumble and get this off my chest! Since day one Ruby has been not exactly ladylike in the bottom department - not that I have a problem with farts (usually I think they are really funny), but obviously when they are hurting her or waking her out of a lovely sleep I am not laughing! So here is the list of things I have identified that I can't eat/drink. (It may be easier and quicker to write what I can eat :shock: )

Tea/coffee/fizzy drinks/only juice that is ok is apple/beer/squash
No Chocolate in any form (this is one of the worst offenders)
Nuts make her cough
Dairy (Which is by far the worst and makes her do SQUARE farts...so painful :shock: ) Nothing with any dairy in including cakes, pastries, white sauces. Also I am discovering there are a miryad of things you would not suspect with milk protein in...like breadcrumbs.
Fruits including, oranges, strawberries & tomatoes which make her have tummy ache and cottage cheese sick ups.
Regarding the tomatoes that means no pasta sauce, baked beans, sweet and sour sauce, bbq sauce, ketchup etc.
Crisps except ready salted
Raisins/sultanas
Egg
Onions, garlic, leeks (these are really bad as well)
Peas
Cabbage
Sweetcorn

(My older daughter and partner have also added to the list on the cupdoard door - MEN & CHILDREN.....though I never really liked the taste of them much to start with.)

I am Spanish so I am struggling to live without the basics of tomatoes, onion and garlic but at least I smell better :shock: My second favourite food, Italian, is also out the window. My diet mainly consists of meat, fish, potatoes, salad, bread, shredded wheat, plain rice, sesame seeds (for calcium), soya milk and the fruits and vegetables that I am "allowed". I suppose this is not too awful, it's just that I am craving cheese and chocolate all day long and I could kill for a pizza hut pizza :shock: I hope I can keep this up for a whole year :roll: .

If you made it this far, well done and thanks for listening

!

Tamara · « **Reply #1 on:** August 19, 2005, 10:43:02 am »

Bloody hell!!! :shock:

Really? you think all these foods are affecting your DD?

I didn't cut out anything at all when I Bf DD and I successfully BF for 16 months, and other than the usual bout of colic weeks 6-9 ish (crikey - I've forgottne already!), no probs

Well, I admire your dedication - personally don't think I could keep that up for long.

Good luck

Erin (redstarfalling) · « **Reply #2 on:** August 19, 2005, 11:59:31 am »

Holy cow. :shock: I am SO impressed with you!! I don't know if I could have lasted - I think it's really incredible that despite all this sacrifice (and believe me - I TOTALLY see the sacrifice!) that you're still planning to bf for the first year. You're giving your dd one of the best gifts a mother can.

And who knows...maybe as her tummy matures, she'll be able to tolerate more of this...? :?

Kayna · « **Reply #3 on:** August 19, 2005, 12:55:56 pm »

I too have a fairly restrictive diet. Not as bad as yours but lets just say my last few pregnancy pounds are peeling off nicely :wink: :wink: :roll: .

marlowho · « **Reply #4 on:** August 19, 2005, 14:30:42 pm »

As a child I had such bad allergies for one year of my life I could only eat chicken, potatoes, rice and applesauce- oh and oatmeal. It was a pretty bland year to say the least! Thankfully we haven't had to cut out that much around here - but that's great of you to be willing to sacrifice like that. Kudos to you!!!

dkjokisch · « **Reply #5 on:** August 19, 2005, 16:44:27 pm »

Hang in there. I had to avoid pretty much the same things plus beans, broccoli, brussel sprouts, cauliflower... and the list goes on.

However, when dd got to be about 3 mos, we started reintroducing things in small quanities, one at a time. I can eat almost everything now (dd is 7mos), but in moderation. The only things still on the prohibited list are milk (just milk, not all dairy), shellfish, and nuts.

Make sure you're taking a good multi-vitamin (I just kept taking my prenatals) and a calcium supplement to round things out.

annamum · « **Reply #6 on:** August 19, 2005, 20:14:26 pm »

Wow, that is a sacrifice! I was lucky, too, I could eat and still can whatever I like except tea, my dd would not sleep at all for next couple of nights if I had some. This was far the worst for me as I used to be a tea addict and it is also hard not to crave caffeine when you are sleep deprived with a newborn.
Other than that I had an easy sailing with breastfeeding. But you never know what is going to be like with number 2.

Well, I wish you enough energy to nurse as long as you planned. Keep going!

Onewoman · « **Reply #7 on:** August 24, 2005, 12:48:17 pm »

Thanks for the support and encouragement ladies

It's so good to know that I can come to these boards and tell it how it is ....and people understand! Thank you so much

It has been hard going sometimes, but I am usually ok, just now and again I have a meltdown about it :shock: I am getting referred to a dietician, I guess to check Ruby for allergies and to make sure I am getting the right vitamins and minerals. That will be useful I'm sure.

I'm going to start trying a few things from the "NO" list, who knows, maybe she will be ok with some things now :!:

Susana xx

GraceKellysmom · « **Reply #8 on:** August 24, 2005, 19:40:25 pm »

When a baby is very young, it is easy to blame our diet as breastfeeding mothers, on the baby's crying. You may find that a lot of the foods on your list can actually be tolerated, especially in small amounts. And now that your baby is older, you "know" her better, know her cries and how to soothe her. Her stomach and intestines are also more developed. Try one thing at a time and see how she does. As a first time mom I was quick to write things out of my diet, when in fact it was not the corn I ate, but the butter on the corn, it was not the brownie I ate, but the butter and milk in the brownie, etc. Make sense?

A true "allergy" to a food will be shown by rash, blood in the bowel movement, and/or inability to breathe because the windpipe is swollen shut. An "intolerance" to a food is shown by loose, explosive bowel movements, possibly mucus in the bowel movement, and possibly blood. A sensitivity may just be an upset stomach or heartburn.

It is almost impossible to test for allergies/intolerances other than stool samples unless the reactions are severe. A baby with allergies/intolerances should be BREASTFED as long as possible, with late introduction of 'safe' solids. FORMULA SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN unless the allergy is the most severe, life-threatening.

Good luck with your dietician. Hopefully she will be knowledgeable in suggesting great foods YOU can eat. Your baby is getting everything she needs from your breastmilk!

:wink:

EllieLock · « **Reply #9 on:** August 24, 2005, 22:03:59 pm »

I also was advised to cut out dairy products, and acid foods like tomatos, oranges etc. I was gutted but then a lactation consultant told me it was a waste of time so now I don't know what to think (and have cut down but not cut out). I do avoid fizzy drinks though as both time I've drunk fizzy drinks she's had really bad nights.

Cheers,
Ellie

dkjokisch · « **Reply #10 on:** August 25, 2005, 00:53:10 am »

How old is your lo? I can't speak for your lc, but in my experience, the elimination diet helped. Dairy was the worst offender. I was drinking alot of milk, and when I cut it out, 36 hours later it was like we had a different baby.

About the fizzy drinks... were they caffeinated? Some sodas you wouldn't expect to have caffeine actually do (like orange soda). Caffeine is a tough one for them too. From what I read, their bodies don't process it ery quickly so it tends to build up in their systems leaving them wired long after you're tired and ready for bed.

oscar10405 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 01, 2005, 05:45:51 am »

I am also on a very restricted diet and totally unsure if I am wasting my time. My 4.5mth has big sleep issues (as you know Susana!) and so I have investigated ALL possibilities - even hyperactive and ADHD! :lol: (his father is not the calmest of blokes...and i am a worry-wort). Anyway - I have been on a total 'elimination' diet and cut out ALL preservatives and additives PLUS all natural food chemicals (salicylates and Aminos) which pretty much cuts out all fruit except pears and almost all veges except a few like swedes, potatoes, beans...

What do I eat? Protein and rice basically - Gluten-free bread, Soy milk and that's about it! It's very, very hard and not much fun.

I'm finding it very hard to know whether this causing wakefulness in my boy and get soooooooo sick of the different advice from professionals too. How can one person say EVERYTHING you intake effects the booby milk and the other say it makes no difference? :evil:

Anyway - I am the extreme I guess.....!

I enjoy breastfeeding but looking foward to having my own body back and being able to eat what i want!

Joey'sMom · « **Reply #12 on:** September 01, 2005, 14:13:00 pm »

I was told to cut out all kinds of foods, too. Joey is a reflux/colic baby, and his evening bouts are the worst. After being told no veggies, bananas, tomatoes, or chocolate (which was hard, but I could deal with it), they decided to add the cow milk factor. Once I realized that meant no cheese, I was pretty upset. Then after a few days, there was no improvement, so I figured if my ds was still not happy, why should I be miserable too? The next week I discussed this with my ped and she completely agreed. Miserable moms do NOT help miserable babies!

zayandme · « **Reply #13 on:** September 01, 2005, 14:24:40 pm »

After going off of dairy for 4 months (I mean I went crazy- If it said dairy or any sort of dairy product on the label it was a no go) and only seeing mild results, i had a bowl of french onion soup one day and my son had one of his worst nights ever.
I went off of onions and it worked like a charm. Have you tried something funny like that that you may eat every day and could be causing the problem?

I'm sure you're pretty miserable about this. I'm sorry to hear about your struggle. I know that just finding a snack can reak havoc emotionally. I was a wreck. Hope that this subsides soon and that your lo either grows out of it or you find a missing link somewhere.
Best wishes

hurr1 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 23, 2005, 22:42:18 pm »

As a child I suffered from asthma and multiple allergies so since i was 6 months pregnant until i finish brestfeeding- my boy is 11 weeks old- I have cut out all dairy,eggs,fish and nuts- also caffiene to help with his napping.

It's been hard going at times but if it means he doesn't have my allergies it's worth a try. So I'm doing it for a different reason to you but it's not forever and I dream off eating chocolate again!

Hang in there.

GraceKellysmom · « **Reply #15 on:** September 24, 2005, 00:45:53 am »

Depending on how "careful" you need to be, Newmans Own sells a dairy free dark chocolate candy bar that is fantastic. They even sold these at my regular grocery store. Rice Dream has several "chocolate" (actually milk free cocoa type chocolate) "ice creams" They are super!

Most foods say "processed in plant that also processes nuts" Do you have to be so strict not to eat those? If not, I may be able to help you more...

ckwilder · « **Reply #16 on:** September 24, 2005, 23:39:06 pm »

I have all the exact same issues....except my daughter is actually allergic to cow's milk/soy proteins and has bloody stools if I eat either of those foods....she breaks out in a rash if I have strawberries, oranges, or tomatoes....almost everything gives her the toots...I am eating chicken, fish, almonds, rice milk, oatmeal, and squash/carrots....pretty boring....the diet is worth it though...I just look at her expression when I breastfeed and know it is all worth it!!!

GraceKellysmom · « **Reply #17 on:** September 25, 2005, 00:38:40 am »

Hi "ckwilder"

Please check out our allergy forum if you have not already. There is a MSPI message at the top of the forum that maybe can help you, or maybe you can add more info to it.

I was on the MSP-free diet for 12 months with my son, 12 months of no milk protein with my daughter. Let me know if I can help at all. :wink:

Onewoman · « **Reply #18 on:** September 25, 2005, 08:47:04 am »

Thought I would catch up with all the deprived Mums

I'm still waiting to see the dietician :shock: I think while I'm waiting I'm going to get myself some calcium suplements. I don't think I can be having enough with the little bit of enriched soya milk I have and a few sesame seeds.

I have discovered a couple of other things that are no-nos. Red food dye- cochineal - the one made from crushed beetles (apparently banned in the U.S.). It made Ruby so hyper; it took me a while to work out what was doing it, but she is usually quite placid so I knew something was up. After talking to my health visitor she said it was the second worst additive after yellow. Also, I was stressing about my milk supply so I got some fenugreek. What I didn't know was that it comes from the nut family and Ruby reacted quite badly to it. It's so strange to me that she has all these sensitivities as I am allergic to nothing, neither is my partner or my other daughter. I do hope she grows out of it.

I've tried some of the things on the no list again and sweetcorn seems ok - I think you may have been right GraceKellysMum - it was probably the butter I had on it. Had a bit of cheese, then really wished I hadn't - we had 3 days of hell. Unfortunately it was the same week I had fenugreek, so we actually had 7 hellish days altogether :cry: .

One good thing has been to find the "Free From" range in Tesco. I actually had treacle pudding and (soya) custard - wow - it was heavenly!! I can eat feta cheese as it is made from goats milk so that is a bonus, and goats milk is ok for us too.

Does anyone know if you can cook with soya milk like you would cows milk?

Maybe we could swap some ideas for things we can eat?

GraceKellysmom · « **Reply #19 on:** September 25, 2005, 19:48:43 pm »

I cook with Soy milk and Rice milk just like cows milk. Some recipes it makes a difference and some it does not. The brand of Soy milk I have here is Silk - it has as much calcium as cows milk. I also still take my prenatal vitamins with an extra calcium supplement.

Kayna · « **Reply #20 on:** September 25, 2005, 20:33:14 pm »

Is all feta cheese made with Goat milk? I absolutely love it and miss it dearly. Dd is super sensitive though and gets bloody stools just shortly after testing so even if it's made with Goat milk is it worth risking?

GraceKellysmom · « **Reply #21 on:** September 25, 2005, 20:37:28 pm »

Try an ingredient list to make sure it doesn't have cows milk or soy added in flavoring. I've read that goats milk doesn't cause issues for many MSPI-ers. The proteins in goats milk are the most similar to breastmilk proteins.

Onewoman · « **Reply #22 on:** September 26, 2005, 07:46:30 am »

I read a few days ago that babies with MSPI have about 20% chance of being allergic/intolerant to goats milk/products. That is pretty good odds! Maybe you could have a tiny bit and see what happens.

Thanks for the info about cooking with soya/rice milk GKM. I will give it a go. The reason I asked was because I put some in a cup of decaf coffee and it went all bitty and sludgy.....YUK!

GraceKellysmom · « **Reply #23 on:** September 26, 2005, 18:27:47 pm »

I think I read somewhere that rice milk and soy milk have lower temperature threshholds than cows milk. They won't make great cream sauces or cook well over high heat. But they do just fine for baking most things and scrambled eggs, pancakes, etc.

Silk makes a creamer for coffee I think.

Kayna · « **Reply #24 on:** September 26, 2005, 19:05:58 pm »

I checked on Feta cheese at our local grocery store and it is made with cow's milk. Does a person need to go to health store to find some made from Goat's Milk or should I just keep looking (our city has a ton-o-stores :roll: ). TIA.

sonias · « **Reply #25 on:** September 26, 2005, 21:38:23 pm »

Hey susana xx...

Nice to know I'm not the only one. My diet is similar to your + few more add on's. Also my little queen is a very light sleeper , so I've to hold her while she sleeps :roll: . I haven't seen sunset for last 5 mths.
Fortunately , I can have tea.....Thank God, for small mercies :wink:

SaRainaa's mom

Williamsmom · « **Reply #26 on:** September 27, 2005, 04:00:51 am »

I just found some ice cream sandwiches made with tofu & soy. Won't help the MSP, but for those who can eat soy, they're great. DH even liked them & he's the pickiest darn eater! The brand name is Tofutti. I found them in the organic section of our grocery store. They actually taste like the real ones. I wasn't a big fan of the soy ice cream (at least the vanilla kind I tried), but these really took care of both my ice cream and my chocolate craving. Now, if I could just find some pizza!

Sarah

sally & savannah · « **Reply #27 on:** September 27, 2005, 21:01:23 pm »

Hi

Just found this topic after doing a search. Baby Savannah is 15 wks old today and suffers terribly from bouts of trapped wind. She pushes and pushes goes bright red :oops: then farts really loud and screams loud!!!! sometimes it'll wake her out of what should be a long peaceful sleep.

Doctors have advised boiled water but she refuses a bottle, sees to only come in the afternoons poor wee soul!

After reading this post think i might start excluding dairy products fizzy drinks chineses and indian food

as i must admitt i have just been carrying on as normal. Hadn't really put two and two together?!?! any other suggestions?? Thinking about trying her with a little rice but am absolutly terrified by the prospect!!!

Hope i can get some advise for my windy bubs

!! ( have just started to use infacol as well)

Thanks in advance
sallyx

NKmommy · « **Reply #28 on:** September 27, 2005, 21:29:19 pm »

Just wanted to say that I have been there too and it is the WORST, but soo worth it if it gives baby some relief. I had to eliminate dairy (including whey and casein), soy (which is in almost everything), acidic fruits, gassy veggies, eggs, chocolate, nuts, and corn. I ate tons of white rice and turkey, and drank rice milk. Do you have a health food store nearby? They had a lot more options than a regular supermarket...

Good luck! You are such a good mom (although if it gets to hard and you can't BF, you are a good mom too :wink: ).

GraceKellysmom · « **Reply #29 on:** September 28, 2005, 00:42:56 am »

Hi Sally,

I wouldn't start the rice cereal - that will make things worse.

Some babies are just really windy. Are you burping her during and after the feeds?

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