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« on: September 14, 2005, 00:24:36 am »
Hi,

DS used to go to bed between 9 and 10 pm.  I know, huge accidental parenting...but I'm improving :D

the last few nights I have been successful getting him down between 7 and 7:30 pm after tweaking his awake times.  The thing is, he wakes at the 45 and 1.5 hr mark.  It takes 5-10 min. of shush pat to settle him.  Do you think this is because he's not used to being down for the night at this point?  The nights I struggle and he goes down after 8 or 9 pm he doesn't wake.

We're on a 3.5-3.75 hour EASY, working our way up to 4 hours (we've been sleep training less than 3 weeks).  Our naps are great.  Today he had a 1.75 hour, 1.5 hour and 30 min. nap. I helped out on the 1.75 hour one at 1 hour mark.  Anyway, he is able to get past that 45 min. mark.

Could it be that he's overtired?  We were out at the mall (first time in since training started!) and his catnap was only 30 min.  Normally his awake time is around 2 hours before bed.  I put him down before 1.75 hours...but he still struggled to go down.  I knew it was going to be a fight as he was a bit hyper.  But I had to feed him and stuff.  In this situation, should I skip the wind down since feeding is low key and plunk him down if i think he's past his window?  I felt I still needed to quiet him down a bit and walking around outside a few minutes at least seemed to help.

Anyhoo, i am babbling as usual.  Do you think it will just take time for him to adjust his clock to being asleep at this time?

By the way, since I'm here...does anyone else feel they are spending a lot of time shhhing and patting?  How long do you let them try to settle?  As long as I'm there, should I let him cry more than a few minutes?  It seems almost every sleep and every waking I need to soothe him.  I was hoping by now he could do it on his own and I'm worried I'm rushing in.

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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2005, 21:56:27 pm »
I'd love to be able to help more, but I am SOOOO not the expert on sleep!  Well done you for getting his bedtime earlier, maybe he's waking at 45 mins b/c he's treating it as a nap, as he's not used to bedtime being so early?

I feel like I spend half my life sssh/patting  :roll: . Although, if this helps, we did have a minor breakthrough last night. Having spent 15 mins leaning into the crib ssssh/patting & getting nowhere, I got annoyed  :oops: , and gave up. My back was killing me, and I was giving myself a headache! So I just leant back, left my hand on his chest, and stopped sssshing. It took him about 20 mins of complaining, but he finally went to sleep himself. Have you tried that? (I tried leaving the room at that point tonight, but that just made him cry - a step too far).

It sounds like you're making progress anyway. If you think he's gone past his window, I'd try skipping the wind-down and just have cuddles before putting him in his crib. I wouldn't want to extend awake time any more than necessary in that situ. (I may be talking rubbish, so people feel free to tell me so! - it's just what I'd do but I ain't no expert!).

However, we too have made some progress ... if I could only get rid of that flaming dummy ...

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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2005, 23:31:02 pm »
Hey Caroline,

Thanks for the reply.  The last two nights have been a real struggle getting him down.  I have decided I really don't know what his last awake time should be.  Today he had 2x hour and 10 minute naps and a 45 min. catnap.  After his catnap he seemed tired still.  He was fussy the whole time.  Didn't want to be on the floor, didn't want to be read to, fussed even outside in my arms!  I fed him early to get him down for 6pm and 1.5 awake time.  I just got him down now and it's 7:20.  That just makes me think that he needs to be up longer...but there is just no way I could have stretched him that long. 

How long does your lo stay awake between catnap and bedtime?  Is it shorter than the other intervals?  DS can last about 2 hours all day but lately just seems tired.

Last night he didn't wake until DF likely because he was so tired...I'm hoping it's the same case tonight.

Oh and to answer your question, I do try not to shush.  I shush/pat, just pat, just sssh, and pupd.  oh well.  it's gotta get better!

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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2005, 21:31:19 pm »
Wowee! You just described our day! Exactly the same naps, and fussy straight after the catnap. Wierd!

You're doing better than me, though, he didn't go down until 8.30pm, with a lot of complaining on the way. This makes his awake time btn catnap & bed about 2 and a quarter hours - waay too long, but I put him in his cot at 7.30, he just wouldn't settle.

Hay ho, as you say, it can only get better. Can anyone suggest anything to help us?

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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2005, 22:47:44 pm »
i feel like a huge failure. :oops:

my poor little guy.  The last two nights I put him down way too early.  No wonder he was screaming and screaming.  Tonight he went to sleep in 12 minutes and i didn't even help.  He was up 2.5 hours for the last interval.

Here I thought he was tired yesterday because he was fussing fussing fussing.  It must have either been gas or boredom.  I played some new games with him today and read some new books and carried him around in my sling to keep in occupied.  hmmmph, i guess no one said this mom thing would be easy.

Edit: he woke up after 30 minutes again and started screaming.  I gave him 10 minutes..and he settled. I know, not very BW of me but he has to learn to settle on his own.  I know that he was fed, dry, gave Ovol for gas.  he didn't need me as much as it sounded like it did.  i think i've been rushing in way too much and he's been using my shhh/pat to go to sleep just a bit too much.
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2005, 23:32:44 pm »
Hi Traci & Charlie's Mummy,

Arwyn goes down herself for her nighttime sleep independently. She didn't before... we were singing, rocking... then enter BW and then pu/pd and pat/shush. She changed after 3 days of this.

I found that the last hour before bedtime needs to be quiet time. She sits in her bouncy chair, or we hold her and cuddle before going into bedtime routine of bath, massage, change and bed that lasts no longer than 20 minutes.

Also, daytime sleep has a huge effect... if she doesn't get at least 3h 15m total nap time, she is a nightmare to put down. I put her down as close to 7 as possible. When I first started this, she would wake up after 45 minutes (treating it as a nap) and after 3 days, she stopped too due to pat/shush back to sleep.

About rushing in to the room. I used to do that too as soon as she started to cry. I have learned that Arwyn has a sleep cry that comes after her initial frantic cry. I now wait for at least 2 minutes. If the sleep cry doesn't come, I go in. She usually sleep cries for 15-20 minutes before she can put herself to sleep. I think Tracy Hogg calls it the mantra cry.

Wow, don't I sound like I know what I'm talking about (NOT!). I am just fortunate I found something that works for Arwyn's night sleep. I am a complete and utter fool when it comes to her naps.

I hope this helps.

Traci... don't feel like a failure. You and Cole are both learning about sleeping. No, this mommy thing isn't easy (as my mother reminds me all the time) but it sure can be fun sometimes. You're doing just great!  :)
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2005, 00:08:05 am »
Hi Arwyn's mom.

Thanks for the response.  Our 2.5 hours before bed went like this:

30 min. play on floor
30 min walk around in sling
15 min bath and lotion (i won't call it massage because he doesn't really dig it)
5-10 reading books
10 more min. walking around (killing time)
30 min. feed
10 min. singing and walking around some more!
2 min. in dark room before putting down.

His cry was pretty frantic but he would slow down and pick up again, slow down and pick up.  I know his mantra cry and he had that going for the last few minutes.  thank goodness because i didn't want to interfere with him settling and i knew he was almost there.

I think it's his naps that are causing the problem right now.  Today he had two 45 minute and 1 hour nap and i helped on the 1 hour!  He just doesn't want to sleep longer.  A week ago I had the naps and not the night sleep.  Now I have longer night sleep and not the naps!  I think it's just taking time for his system to adjust.  He's changed so much in three short weeks (no more swaddle, no more paci, no more holding to sleep, a regular bedtime and nap schedule, and he used to wake up at night and only go back to sleep with me-for a couple of weeks anyway)

phew, i'm going to have a drink!

have a good weekend.

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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2005, 02:20:47 am »
Wow, you have a great bedtime routine. Ours is much more boring. Ours is something like this... (depending on when she gets up, of course... it can range from 1 - 2.5h awake time).

1. Sit in Bumbo seat on the table watching Mommy & Daddy eat (thrilling, I know  :wink: but we are trying to get her used to sitting at the table for when she starts solids)
2. Drink some milk from a cup (she won't take a bottle so we are trying desperately to get an alternate feeding method for this EBF babe)
3. Have a bath (we stretch this out or shorten it depending on time)
4. Massage (again, stretchable)
5. Diaper and change to PJs
6. Move into her room for a feed (this is new, I just started it 1 week ago)
7. Hug & Kiss and into bed... lights out as Mommy & Daddy leave the room.


You are right about the changes to Cole's schedule though. When I first started BW, I needed 3 days to change each "thing" and I did it one thing at a time. I know it is possible to do more but I just didn't want to "shock" her system. She is a slow adjuster so I give her lots of time to get used to things. Now if she would only NAP!

Here were her naps today...
32 min.
14 min.
23 min. upon waking here, I picked her up, stuck her on a boob and lay down for a nap with her. Guess what? lasted only another 45 min.  :shock:  Boob magic is usually good for at least 2 hours!

Anyways, she is asleep for the night now... after putting herself to sleep in 12 minutes. Why, oh why can't she do that for a nap today?

I am going to have a drink too... perhaps I've have one for you too  :lol:

Have a good weekend too!
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2005, 19:37:11 pm »
I got a Bumbo recently too, but DS doesn't seem to like it much...at least all he tries to do is get out of it.  He has succeeded on two occasions and landed on his head!  (thankfully it was on the floor) It's actually a game to him.  He throws whatever toy I give him out of reach and tries to reach for it!  Don't think i'll be able to use it on a table...so i'll be feeding him on the floor if I want to use it. 

I have a highchair already anyway...just have to go pick it up at my parents where it's stored.  It's one of the huge Peg Perego ones...not so sure it was such a great buy for our tiny house.  oh well!
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2005, 02:49:00 am »
We have the same gear Traci! I have a Peg Perego Prima Pappa too. I don't find it all that big. It is always folded up in the corner right now as she is not yet on solids and we are just getting her used to sitting at the table with us.

Arywn is not yet able to get out of her Bumbo... I think her chubby thighs have something to do with that though.  :lol:

But, I stray from the topic of this thread. :wink:
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