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« Reply #1005 on: December 24, 2005, 06:55:46 am »
Richelle, I really enjoyed reading your post.  Thank you for sharing all of that.  I am also curious to hear what others have to say.  I think that we all end up with challenges/strengths from the way our parents raised us and from the way we just are to begin with.   I want to say something else really astute here but am having major trouble wording it....too late...too many cookies and not enough chat time with my girl posse :)  Stay tuned for more information...
Ankie one of my great friends also waited until his forever parents died to look for his birth parents and has been grateful for them since...I agree Richelle one mom is definately enough :)  My dad died about three years ago and I can only imagine how lonely it would feel to loose my mom as well.
Funny about dh thinking the babes were other babes...men  :roll:  :wink:
Kate...you are two (front teeth) funny.  Hope your cookies were good...good enough to tear you away from chat that is.
So...
I Pm'ed Traci right after the chat tonight because I didn't know how to say it or if I even could/should say it...it being anything about the chat.  I think it is soooooo important to include everyone and anyone in the chats...I can remember a few nights when I "found" people in the chat room and was so relieved to have someone to "talk" to. 
That said, I would love to find a way to have our chats be ...just our chats but like Ankie said I guess I just don't know if that would be an ok thing to do.
I was a little dissapointed tonight.  It's not that I am not into talking with other people or have anything against them...in fact I love Wed night chats too..(Hi my name is hannah and I am a chataholic...hi hannah...) but I just love talking to you girls because of knowing so much about you and your bubs and also having bubs the same age etc...makes for good chatting you know??
Anyone have any ideas on this one?
Bubs...crikey! What country am I from anyway? :)
Merry (F-ing)Christmas to you all (that's for you Andrea)  :wink:
So sorry to hear about your friend.  I second what Ankie said about him.

And yes Traci I too want you to move your PC...
and just two more things
1. You know your addicted to the bw site (I can hear you all groaning over the miles)when you can't wait for Christmas to be over so that all of your friends will stop being so darn it all busy and POST!  :lol:
2. Will someone tell me how to quote already???
Night all.
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« Reply #1006 on: December 24, 2005, 07:39:26 am »
Hey girls, well the kids are in bed, presents are wrapped and under the tree - yippee, I'm actually really looking forward to Christmas this year more than last - they seem to get more exciting now that Nathan is older and he seems to "get it" this year.

Traci, love that little tush!

Richelle, thanks so much for sharing your story.  How cool and lucky for your mum to end up with you and then conceive your brother as well.  As far as parenting approachs (this is gonna get long), I think there is potential to make bad choices regardless of our upbringing - just different bad choices are made (of course I have also made a lot of positive choices too because of that controlling upbringing and actually don't feel a victim of it, it can make me sad, but I have the ability to work on these things and constantly self-improve).  For me I also ended up VERY independent (to my detriment sometimes), and to the point of lacking in compassion and empathy and I can be quite selfish because I always had to look out for me because no-one else was there to listen and nurture me (and the controlling nature of my SD and lack of support from my mum made me rebel and move out of home at 18 and when I moved to a different city for 8yrs I had very little contact with them).  This is why I find it hard to open up and let others offer help, let me vent (I'm doing great venting on this board huh?  :lol: And honestly, it's a first, none of my real-life friends know half the stuff I've talked about here, not that it's a secret, I just don't know how to discuss it and believe that anyone would actually WANT to hear it).  It's makes me quite sad to think that the child I was wasn't listened to and let grow up feeling loved.  So for me I want to change that for my kids, it takes a bit of work, but I do naturally feel the love and empathy with my kids and Nathan is a VERY empathetic little fella which is so nice to see, empathy is a learnt skill, they can only learn it by having it modelled for them (ie, if he's hurt he knows that mummy is going to kiss it better, if he's sick he's going to get as much attention as he wants when he wants (in his bed not mine :wink: ), if he's scared and cautious, he's not going to be pushed into situations that make him uncomfortable - and he is turning out very independent too based on all of this.  I remember having a friend who's mum was just SO NICE and always seemed caring and loving - I used to hang at their house quite a bit (this is around 10yrs old), she'd make us snacks after school (I went home to an empty home where I had to get my own - hmm, illegal?), she'd snuggle with us on the couch and watch TV (can't remember THAT happening), we'd dance and get silly.  I keep her in my mind as my role-model with Nathan and Danielle - a shame to think that I can't put my own mum in that position.  Don't get me wrong, my mum didn't abuse us or actually neglect us, but we never really CONNECTED.  If my mum says she loves me, it feels very strange, if she calls me sweetie, ditto (because I only remember either of these being said a few times - so it's foreign to me).  My mum never looked after me or seemed to care when I was ill, in fact SD took on that role to his benefit.  So for my first 10yrs it was my mum and dad and I don't recall a specific discipline style (don't recall smacking or arguments though) yet my mum was pretty hands off on the emotional stuff.  SD came on the scene when I was 10yrs old and from there on I recall the controlling nature of the discipline and general parenting from him.

So, where is this taking me...I guess parenting styles then get mixed up with our parents personalilites, our own personalities and it can lead to all sorts of outcomes.

Phew that was long.  :wink:

Kate, that's so funny that Ryan licks the book! LOL

Andrea, how awful for your friend.   :(  Oh, and how funny about poobrain, I was trying to figure out while I was reading it if you would say that.  :P

Well, I'm outta here, I'm sure I'll be checking in tomorrow even though it's Christmas Day, we're opening up presents at our house with just the four of us in the morning and then over to my mums for lunch.  Then having friends over for a bbq dinner.

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« Reply #1007 on: December 24, 2005, 12:52:11 pm »
Richelle I loved reading your story of your up bringing.  I know dh often worries about the girls growing up and not having experienced consequences... but then I realize that Nikki is right - issues can creep up with any parenting choice.  And I don't really believe they get no consequences... I'm working toward it somewhat but we've a long road to go.  BUT They also get talks about things... so while Zoe dumped milk on the floor I 'asked' her to clean it up (had she flat out refused I'd have eventually done it myself) but beyond that we have a nice chat at some other time about how that really wasn't the best solution for the problem she was having and we discuss why it wasn't so great and what else could have been done.

Gosh - this is going to be really fragmented.  Zoe and Sarah are in the 'let's try to upset my sister mode' today.  Yay for us!!  They'll stand here and Zoe will say "I drew that picture for my cousin" and Sarah will say "noooo" and then Zoe will say it again and get upset and Sarah will say her Noooo again then it gets louder, then someone or both cry... oy!

Nikki, I love that you chat about all this stuff here!!  I really really here you on the controlling parenting stuff.  My parents tried to be really attached emotionally but we were always told when our emotions were wrong etc. etc..  I struggle with this with the girls.. not saying they shouldn't be sad but I do try to quiet the loud tears when the babies are sleeping.  I HATE that about myself... how awful to hurt yourself and here "shhh where does it hurt? shhhhh what happened? shhhhh :roll:   But I make a lot of friends but I struggle feeling like I'm a burden, annoyance to friends.  Maybe I call too much, talk too much, complain too much.  Chris will just walk across the road to the neighbours to chat if he sees them outside and I would NEVER do that.  Feel like I'm imposing and they were just too polite to say so.  If Chris dragged me along I'd feel so uncomfortable... yet I LOVE when people call, pop in here!!  But I remember my parents complaining about certain people who came over too much in their minds.

Andrea - Oh man your poor friend.  What a horrible thing to go through.  Why on earth would that other husband tell her that on Christmas Eve (or the day before I mean).  I guess you'd want to know - but couldn't it be after Christmas.  I mean c'mon maybe the dude felt guilty and had at least bought her a huge present for Christmas and now she won't even get that (being a smarta$$ - but maybe still....) oh and what awful memories Christmas will hold.  A new baby and everything.  Idiot!!!!!!  Soooooooo sad and heartbreaking!!!

Ok gotta run - have a ton of things still to do before we leave this house in 4hours or less... one of which is getting dh out of bed (no small task!!!)

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« Reply #1008 on: December 24, 2005, 14:13:44 pm »
Hello everyone ... just wanted to check in and say hi!  I haven't had time to go back and read the 5 pages I've missed but I will!!!  We are at my MIL's and it has been a blast.  She does all this great cooking for us and looks after Carter ... much more fun than my own parents place!!!  We are about to have a huge breakfast which she is currently preparing for us so I must go!!

Have a VERY Merry Christmas everyone!  Knowing me I will check in tomorrow anyway!!!
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« Reply #1009 on: December 24, 2005, 14:57:17 pm »
Merry Christmas Eve and Christmas for some (Ithink? :oops: )

Judy and Nikki - I knew I could count on you to make some sense of what I was saying and it truely is just a matter of MY issues isn't it?  I hope I can be HALF the mother to SOphie that my mom was for me but it seems I have this inherent need to second guess myself as a mother/provider *sigh* and this is only the beginning - I want a houseful of kids and want them to feel loved and comfortable more than anything else in the world!  No matter what choices I make nothing is, or ever will be, perfect and I really waste alot of energy trying to change things that don't need changing and fixin' sh!t that ain't broke, KWIM? 

You ladies are all so very interesting (thanks for nailing that one on the head Judy) and such wonderful role models as mothers even if some of you are mass murderers eh Kate?

Hannah I wanted to add also re. the 50's way of thinking.  I have this need to have everything in order as it were and I also didn;t want to fall in some circa 1950's way of living with me struggling to have the perfect home while DH is out makin' a living ect... I suppose I felt that maybe we would stop communicating as what we are doing is soo diffeent ect.. I also think I had a need to hear DH say that what I was about to take on is "work" and that I won;t be on permanent holiday KWIM?  As you can see I had alot of trouble wrestling with the idea of being a SAHM.  ANyway I told him that he needs to understand that while I am a SAHM the house and Sophie are my career and focus therefore I need him to understand that I am doing a 'job'.  He understands and also appreciates what I do for him although it takes some prodding I get thank yous for dinner ect... moreso than when I did it all and worked!  It all does come down to teamwork and I believe each of us is doing what we are best suited for.  Also DH and I have a rule that inside the house we never bitch about work, outside on the patio sure, or out for a drink of course and that includes me bitching about my day at home as well.

Nikki - I too am so open with you ladies I don;t think anyone besides DH knows as much about me as you ladies do!

Judy - I too am exactly like you and my DH like yours about talking/popping in, but I have no idea why I am like that!

Can you tell I am trying to avoid cleaning the house for our Christmas Eve BBQ this afternoon?  I am still a Christmas Eve party giver - still waiting to move to the ever elusive Christmas day party host!! :wink:
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« Reply #1010 on: December 24, 2005, 15:01:34 pm »
Oh I forgot here is a link to a very funny but crude Christmas rant.  It is loud and there is profanity and religious slanders so please do not click on this link if ytou are easily offended by the above.  Sound inticing yet - remeber no babes in the room if you click/play!

http://www.illwillpress.com/xmas.html
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« Reply #1011 on: December 24, 2005, 15:34:54 pm »
Way back a few pages to those rain sticks...I have seen them but never thought of them as a gift for a child...what a great idea! I know I "played" with one in the store for like half an hour, so I can imagine how the kids find them fascinating!

Kate and Traci - love the cute naked buns!! As my DH says...those boys have some "junk in their trunk"!! He's got himself a nice, round butt so he can relate!! Love it!

Judy/Nikki - keep the UP advice coming. I am reading with interest and committing to memory!!
Judy - I laughed at the image of Sarah running around the house, arms a going...Mason used to do that when he was tired...run laps around the house, then eventually just sit down and zone out. That's how I knew it was time for bed!!

Hannah - hugs to you and DH for working together and being able to see his side of things too! I know I do the same thing with my DH - all I want is a few minutes ALONE, and all he wants is the opposite!! Going back to work in the new year and both of us being away from the kids all day will sure be interesting! We will be boxing each other for some one-on-one quality time!

Andrea - HUGE HUGS to your friend. What a disgusting excuse for a human being her DH is. Blech!!

Cathy - your MIL sounds awesome just like mine! Aren't we lucky??


Richelle - thank you for sharing such personal thoughts with us here. I know many of us can relate to how we are able to share out innermost thoughts and ideas with internet friends but not face to face with live friends. It is definitely strange!!   
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: for the link!! Sat here and laughed my fool head off, then played it again and laughed even harder!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:   BTW...Happy 8 months to Sophie!!


I too popped on to chat last night, didn't see anyone I recognized and high-tailed it outta there. We are a sad lot aren't we?? Bunch of snobs!!  :oops:

Hope everyone who is travelling arrives safe and sound and a big Merry Christmas to all the "girls" and their families!
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« Reply #1012 on: December 24, 2005, 18:17:00 pm »
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But I make a lot of friends but I struggle feeling like I'm a burden, annoyance to friends. Maybe I call too much, talk too much, complain too much

Yes, yes, yes!  Totally the same here.  I also love it when others just pop in, so I try and "act" through it and throw out those feelings and thoughts of being a nuisance if I was to want to call in at friends etc.  I used to pop in at one friends house and one time she ranted at how "others" used to do the pop in thing and it really annoyed her  :oops:  :? , so I guess it's that kind of thing that makes me insecure about it.

I also try and work on consequences with Nathan, yesterday food got mushed all over the table, so we talked about we don't do that with food and I asked him to go get the cloth to wipe it up.  He did, but same as Judy, if he'd refused, I would have ended up doing and not pushing it.  In fact, he'll now get snotty at me if I were to then start to clean and will do it himself anyway. 

I also like natural consequences, he was tugging at a decoration on the tree a few weeks back, I saw what was happening, I could see the tree was going to topple so I stood back and kind of "ignored" the situation, the tree fell, he freaked, I came in all calm, offered a cuddle, said something like "oh no, did you pull on a decoration and the tree fell over, here, lets pick up the tree and fix it up".  I didn't bant on at him and say told you so or whatever and it hasn't happened since.

Richelle, I think becoming a mother just makes you reassess your own upbringing and it sounds to me you're doing a fab job!  Oh, happy 8mths to Sophie!  Danielle's going to be 9mths on New Years Day.

Michelle, think I might get Nathan a rain stick of his own, I wonder if I can get a kid sized one.

You know when you're addicted to BW when you check in at 7am Christmas morning after the kids have opened their presents..... :P  Right, gotta go, Danielle's after a feed.

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« Reply #1013 on: December 24, 2005, 18:40:52 pm »
OMG ROTFLMAO!!! Thanks for the link Richelle...
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« Reply #1014 on: December 24, 2005, 20:05:26 pm »
k.... just a quick question as this could be really long if I am allowed to blow my lid on how ed I am.
I invited the IL's for xmas dinner, wanted to do someting nice this year as I don't really like xmas that much. I am not a scrooge or anything like that but it always hits home to me of how aI have none of my family around, my dad is in the us mum is in the uk and I am here in canada, no siblings or anything.
That said aside, I call the il's on friday to see what time they are arriving for xmas dinner, and they wondered what the fuss was as they weren't coming till monday.......WTF.
I asked them to come for xmas dinner, do I have to specify day now, I thought when I said xmas I thought they knew I was talking about xmas day not boxing day......
Very ed, very hurt.....this is riley's first xmas and I would of thought that coming to spend it with their grandchildren would have been top on their list. Instead they are going to MIL's brother who is a half hour away from them. I am mad as I have my mum in the uk on the verge of tears as she desperately wants to be here in march for Ri's 1st bday, she has only had pics of her so far, she has not so much as held her since she was born because of the distance and crap that always seems to happen when she tries to get here. She wants it so bad she is willing to fly 4000 miles for 1WEEK, just to be here for Ri and Jay.
The il's are about 2hrs away by car.....needless to say you see why I am mad.
I just needed to get that out.......I mean come on......if someone asked you to dinner on christmas what do you think they would mean??????

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« Reply #1015 on: December 24, 2005, 20:06:02 pm »
I forgot...richelle thanks for the link, just what I needed to pick me up.
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« Reply #1016 on: December 24, 2005, 20:21:25 pm »
Naomi, that sucks big time! Yes xmas dinner means Christmas day, what was she thinking? And to assume you were meaning Monday, I mean, if she figured it wasn't Sunday night what made her come to the conclusion Monday was ok!!  How does DH feel about that?

Sorry to hear you have no family near by, make your family day really special for the 4 of you and set up your own little traditions that will be memorable to all of you. 

Richelle, that link took too long for me to download on my dial up, but it sounds very funny.  Might try it again later.

I just wanted to add some extra about what you mentioned about your mums style in relation to schooling.  And here is the "controlling" style in action.  Because I am by nature quite strong-willed and independent and hate for anyone to be telling me to do something, I chose a path that perhaps wasn't the ideal.  While I always tried hard at school (surprisingly there was no pressure to perform from parents and we were always encouraged to do our best and that was ok) and was always a "c" grade student and believed that was the best of my ability.  Now skip till I was 24 and applied for a job with an HR consulting firm looking after their records department, I needed to do intelligence test and psych assessments (to check if I was insane  :P  - nah, to see personality type etc and how I problem solve).  Anyway, my tests came back that I sat in the "96th percentile of the population for intelligence!".  Wow, in the top 4 percent, never, never, never did I believe I was naturally capable of that!  Once I realised that I've never looked back and when I do study now I always score in the 90's - when I told my mum how I scored, she said "I always knew you were intelligent" - well I ask, why did anyone never encourage me or tell me that they believed in me? :?   Guess I felt "saved" at that point and I've gone on a done well despite not going to university. 

So once again - who knows what I could be doing if my parents had a different style?

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« Reply #1017 on: December 24, 2005, 22:12:14 pm »
Hi Girls!!

Just a quick one - you know you're addicted when....  the presents are opened and DH is feeding DS so I can pop on and say

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!

to all my friends.

Hope you are all having a lovely day/will have a lovely day tomorrow

We are heading down to the IL's for Christmas lunch (UGH!!  I'm not even going to go there!!) and then away for a week.

I'll check in again before I go!

Love to all
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« Reply #1018 on: December 25, 2005, 02:10:47 am »
Naomi-I am so sorry hon, that is just terrible.  You must be so excited to have Ri's first Christmas and now it has this sour note on the day :oops:

"All I want for xmas is my two front teeth"  LOL Kate-Cole has been singing that for about a week as he's STILL struggling for that 4th tooth to come through.

Andrea-Hugs to your mommy friend.  I agree-total D ick H ead.

100% agree on the strangers in the chat.  just not the same.  we can't get our groove on.  and i chatted with most of them just on wednesday.  sheesh!

"Bubs...crikey! What country am I from anyway? 
Merry (F-ing)Christmas to you all (that's for you Andrea)  "  LOL Hannah

To quote-highlight it I think and hit the quote button at the top of the page.

is that all i had to say?  thanks for the continuing discussion judy/nikki.  i'll have to look at Andrea's summary at some point.

we had an okay night last night.  bed 8:10, woke at 9, down in 5.  woke at 10, settled himself.  woke at 3 (fed), woke at 5:30...stayed with him for 45 min. then he slept until 6:45.  8pm obviously too late as now we're back to early wakings.

i'm in a bit of a predicament now as I think he can handle longer A time since he's better rested.  I'm now having 3 45 min. naps a day on A times that used to yield hour or longer naps.  BUT if he goes longer than 45 min. then there isn't time for catnap kwim?  soooo, i'm going to have to lengthen the first two intervals and try to get good naps and adjust on a day by day basis for catnap.

today, 40 min nap, 30 min nap then up for 5 hours before crashing in the car on the way home.  would barely eat and certainly not sleep amongst all the hub bub at my SILs house.  he was the hit of the party though.  Not a tear all day.  totally happy and smiley and running on adrenalin. :?
been in bed almost an hour now.  maybe we've tuckered him out enough to sleep through LOL!

okay girlies...i would LOVE to move the pc downstairs but i don't think it will happen.  as long as my connection continues to work then i can come on at each nap which is pretty good.

okay, gotta go.  i'm sure DH is NOT impressed that i'm spending xmas eve on the pc.

Everyone have a wonderful christmas.  I know i've said it already but wanted to say it again.
Off to the ILs tomorrow.  maybe I can sneak on there, but I doubt it...so it will be 9pm or so when i can see my girls again.

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« Reply #1019 on: December 25, 2005, 02:14:55 am »
OMG, I almost forgot my christmas rant.  Here is what Cole got today.

Parents-baby sleigh (fine, dad's been in H and mom hasn't had time to shop)
Brothers Family who I've been buying gifts for for 24 years, total of 4 kids got a $25 Fisher Price farm set.  Something I asked for...but not even the big version
Other brother-$30 cash-didn't know what to buy even though he has two kids.
Other brother-a small picture album for 4x6 pics and a pic. frame that has a nice pic of him and cole from the summer.

oh yes, all brothers are working and are over 30 so not clueless. (or maybe they are?)

WTF?  Cole's first xmas and he got ONE toy. ONE.  And it all fit in one bag.

Okay, the only reason I'm not freaking out too much is we go to ILs tomorrow and we'll likely need a trailer to get home from there.  DHs mom is crazy for christmas :D  so at least I know we'll get some good loot there.

I KNOW it's not about the gifts and what people spend....but I mean, it's like they don't CARE.  it's his first chrissie for crikey's sake!

*phew*  thanks girls
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