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« on: December 25, 2005, 03:08:01 am »
Has anyone had any success "solving" the short nap problem?!?  My 9 WO DD hasn't slept longer than 40 minutes in 3 days - except at night which has gotten VERY fitful as well.  She is ALWAYS overtired and this brings on all of those issues.  She's exhausted, I'm exhausted and, if she weren't too young for it, we'd be at the CIO stage. 

I've read through the boards as much as I can after staying with her for 20 minutes to get to sleep and then rushing back in at 40 minutes only to have her scream.  It seems that most people just accept the short naps and somehow find a way to deal with it.  True?!?  When do they get over this hurdle developmentally?
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« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2005, 22:59:36 pm »
Hi there

Zander has been having short naps for a month or so.  I was able to extend them a few times by going in after 30 minutes and patting his back for a full 30 minutes but it didn't work often and I found it sooooo stressful and would often end up in tears when he woke up anyway.  I also had some success with going in after 35 minutes and gently stroking his cheek until he stirred and then leaving.  Again, it only worked a few times but I was happy to keep this up as it required minimum effort and I found it much less upsetting if it didn't work!

Last week I started finding he was already half awake when I went in and me going in was waking him up fully after 30 minutes.  One of the other mom's suggested I let him try on his own and he now extends at least one nap a day all by himself.  I don't bother trying to extend his naps for him and if he gets up early we roll with it, although on most occassions now he's perfectly happy anyway.  I really do think that at 16 weeks he's just outgrowing the short naps.  Please try not to get too stressed about them, I wish I hadn't as although it seems horrific at the time it all changes so quickly before we're on to the next thing  :)

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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2005, 03:19:04 am »
mom2katiebug-big hugs for you.  I know the short nap thing can be VERY frustrating...especially when it starts to impact night sleep as well.

Please do not let your lo CIO.  She is only trying to tell you that she is tired, hungry, wants you.  It is her only way of communicating with you.  It will take patience to get through the short nap phase and it will come and go in the coming months as you start adjusting activity time at different phases of her development. 

I am not familiar with nap duration for your daughters age as I started BW when my DS was 4.5 months.  You said you are going back in at the 40 minute mark.  If your DD is overtired, she may in fact wake closer to the 30 minute mark.  This is when they start to enter into light sleep.  It may help to be there at that point and gently pat her bum to help her transition to the next sleep cycle.  I would recommend staying until the 50 minute point. 

Yes, it is tiring.  Yes, it may hurt your back stooping over the crib. But it is worth it.  Your little one needs your help, and the time you spend now in helping her learn to sleep will pay off many times over in the months and years ahead.

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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2005, 03:42:31 am »
I totally agree with Colesmom.  The wake to sleep or PU/PD wasn't working well for us to extend naptime but the supportive sleep method works really well but at the 30 min mark.  There's an excellent description under the short naps board.  I have to go in just before the 30 min mark and sometimes stay until she enters deep sleep again.  If she is overtired, she jolts all the way out of deep sleep and then often in her light sleep phase again.  On tough days, I stay cribside for up to 35 min at each sleep cycle.  Blocking her vision with my hand works well also, but it's important I catch her as her breathing quickens and not after she actually wakes up.  It is definitely boring and tedious but better than crying!!!  :)


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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2005, 09:24:15 am »
I know this might be a bit controversial but my dd also was having short naps until I gave in to my MIL's suggestion and let dd sleep on her tummy. Bob's yer uncle, she slept for hours!
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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2005, 18:44:57 pm »
Hi there,

My DS, Daniel started the short naps around that age as well.  It also tended to impact on his night sleep which was rotten as you have to deal with a grumpy baby during the day when you are tired yourself.  He is 18 weeks now and, in the last week, has really started to pull together both his night sleep and his naps so it does get better and there is hope.  For once, he has read the books which say he ought to get it at around four months (though I expect he will go back to his old ways at least occasionally).

Here's what has worked for me.  When he was around your DD's age, I would run in and give him the dummy when he woke and started fussing.  It took 2 or 3 goes but he would then normally sleep for about 2 hours total.  That stopped working after a while so I had to sit with him for about half an hour holding the dummy in, hand on chest, and stroking head (if I could do all that with two hands).  Then he would sometimes go back down and sleep for another 45 minutes.  That stopped working when he just got too interactive and was distracted by me being there (and he went off the dummy).  For a while I did nothing and lived with the 45 minute naps and then as he got older started to extend his awake time and see if he would resettle himself after he woke.  This has been working and he has gradually got quicker and quicker to resettle and today didn't wake at all for any of his naps.  But there are still days when he doesn't resettle and he has to be got up tired.

When he did get up and was still tired, I sometimes just let him sit on my knee quietly or lie down on my bed with him so that he didn't get too grumpy.  Or in the afternoons when he was really cross I would take him out in the buggy as he would be quiet then and, eventually, fall asleep.  Also, if you want to avoid a build up of overtiredness, then I found that when DS was about your DD's age, he would do more than 45 minutes in the buggy or the sling because the motion helped him through the wake up jolt (no chance of that now as he is just too interested in everything that's going on).  So, although you do need to keep your DD napping in her cot, then it can give you a bit of a break and end the cycle of overtiredness.

Time is the key, I'm afraid.  I've also found that as DS gets older then he is more easily distracted from being tired if he hasn't napped well.  When he was younger he would just cry and go into meltdown by the afternoon whereas now he just gets a bit grumpy so he is easier to live with.

Good luck with it all.   Hoping your short napping phase is very short.

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« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2005, 23:38:57 pm »
I agree with you that when they realize there's a whole world out there, they get very distracted from sleep.  It seems that what happens with my LO.  She's calmed down in the last two days - still very tired - but at least not shreiking crying.  So I think we'll just try to live through the short naps.
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2005, 03:38:14 am »
Mom2Katiebug, if you haven't already you might also want to look at to look at the room environment, some babies need a dark room or anything will catch their attention and they will focus on it. (as you mentioned).

Shielding dc eyes with your hand also helps.

Definately keep dc awake times short, especially for a newborn. If feed time is close to sleep time, that's okay, just make sure that dc isn't lying completley flat on dc back-- Tracy has always recommended raising the crib mattress slightly to aid in digestion. With a newborn/young infant, the EASY routine looks more like Awake and Sleep. The Eating and the Activity are together (since eating is an activity!)

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