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« on: December 28, 2005, 21:11:33 pm »
Hi,
I just started EASY with my 9 week old. We are trying to follow a 3 hour routine, although I think she might need a 3 1/2 one. She is not always hungry after just three hours. My question is, should I let her sleep longer than two hours if she wants to? I think some times she would sleep for 2 1/2-3. But if she sleeps that long at a time, I am afraid she won't sleep at night or it will mess up the naps later in the day. (We had been confusing night and day.) Yesterday, I woke her up after two hours from the first two naps. The third was just an hour. She only woke two times last night to eat, which is great compared to what we were doing.

I was wondering if some of you who have started EASY this young could offer some advice. Am I right to wake her from naps to help establish the routine or will this cause more problems later on? Also, do any of you have babies who nap this long and if so, do they still sleep good at night?

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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2005, 03:02:06 am »
Hi Angie.  I have a 9.5WO DD and we're on a 3hr EASY.  Although sometimes she's not hungry at 3 hrs, I keep trying throughout her A TIme and usually by 4 hrs she's finished her bottle.  She'll stay awake anywhere from 1 hr to 1.5hrs so I start looking for sleepy cues at about the 1 hr mark.  I'm kicking around adjusting her to a 3 hr 15min or 33hr 30min EASY, but haven't put pen to paper to see what it actually means.

Regarding short naps, I would recommend that you use your best judgement.  My DD struggles with short naps, so if she's had a bad nap day (all short) but a good Eat day (finished every bottle), then I'd probably let her nap a little longer and catch up on her sleep.  But, I don't think I'd let her go longer than 2.5 to 3 hours.  Tracy recommends waking them during the day to get the calories in and help them learn/maintain day and night.  Based on this, I don't think waking her from a long nap is going to mess up your routine.  In fact, sleeping too long might be more detremental to your routine. 

In the past, my LO took long naps (and still will today - just not as often) and I don't find that it affects her usually good nighttime sleep.  But, I do try to make sure that she gets the bulk of her calories during the day, so she's not waking at night to get them.
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2005, 18:30:55 pm »
Thanks so much for you reply. I let her have a long nap yesterday and all she did was catnap all afternoon. So, today I woke her up after two hours. I think this works best with her. I just feel so bad waking her up. She looks so peaceful.   :(  :)
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2005, 20:39:26 pm »
Hello Angie and Casey,

First of all, Casey, thank you for the response.  Its so nice to hear from other moms in the same situation.  I also wanted to tell you that I really like the name Katherine Makena, it has a nice sound to it.

I am starting EASY with my 9 week old as well.  I am having problems with short naps but there are still times when my LO will go down for 2 - 2.5 hours.  Yes, I agree with waking them up so they don't get their days/nights mixed up.  However, I can relate to you feeling guilty when they look so peaceful.  Not to mention the time you have for yourself. 

I do have a ritual for putting Mattea down.  We have been swaddling her since birth and doing the shh for a month or so now.  I have also started to gently tell her she is going down for a nap.  She just has problems with being put down.  I am able to get her to fall asleep but as soon as I try to put her in the bassinet, she cries.  I did get her to go down for a catnap a few times since yesterday.  She woke after twenty minutes or so and I have only been successful and putting her back once.  She usually cries until the next feed if I try to put her down.  What else can I try?

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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2005, 21:57:04 pm »
Thanks lkc.  We struggled with picking a name.  It's such a difficult decision that lasts their lifetime!

I have a couple of thoughts, and hopefully other moms can add to it.  Do you use white noise?  I have a rain CD that I play on repeat for Katie when she sleeps.  This may be a nice constant from rocking to crib.  I also sing her a lullaby while we sit/rock and then when I walk to the crib and once again when I set her in it.  Again, trying to give her something consistent from start to finish. 

Also, Tracy talks about how infants fall asleep - it can take up to 20 minutes.  So, she recommends that you stay with them for the full 20 minutes to help get them through the "jolt".  Watch your LO and you'll know when they jolt.  They'll get into their deep sleep and then you've got some free time.  Although with my DD who often wakes at the 40-45 minute mark, it's not a lot of free time.  You can try Wake to Sleep (WTS) to try to extend naps - there's a description of how to do it on the Naps Board (I think).  Some moms have success; some don't.  I didn't (but didn't try for very long).  I decided to try to get her comfortable in her crib (a suggestion from wise BW mom) and see if she at least be content in her crib when she wakes.  Don't know if it's related or not, but she has put herself back to sleep a few times, but it does take a really dark room.  We live in Seattle (very gray and rainy and we still have 2 layers of fleece covering the window to block the light).
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2005, 02:09:43 am »
lkc,
We had this trouble with our two year old. We would rock him to sleep and then as soon as we laid him down he would wake up. We would have to keep rocking him for 30 minutes after he feel asleep to keep him from waking up. We had not heard of BW then and had no idea you could teach a baby that young to fall alseep on their own. :)

This is what we do with our new LO.  We have done this since she was five weeks old and most of the time she goes to sleep on her own. Like Casey mentioned, we started putting her in her crib during activity time. We would talk to her and let her watch her mobile. To get her ready for nap we swaddle her(we use the Aussie swaddle-it holds better with her) and give her a pacifier. I then take her into her room and rock her there. It is already dark and the noise machine going. I hum the same song and hold her tight in my arms. I rock her just until her eyes are droopy and she has stopped squirming in my arms. Then, I lay her in her bed. To make her feel more secure, I have a positioner at her back and one on her tummy.

When we first started, we would have to pat her back and shhh for the full 30 minutes. Now, if she has trouble settling, all we do is place our hands on her arms and legs until she settles back down.

I hopes this helps some.

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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2005, 18:28:54 pm »
Angie,

Thank you for the note.  Its nice to hear about other moms and their babies.  Today is my third day since I started EASY and trying to get my LO to sleep on her own.  I have a similar ritual -- when she is showing signs of getting sleepy, I say to her that its nap time and try to soothe her with my voice.  I then put her over my shoulder and shhh her and pat her back.  This will usually calm her a little and may make her eyes heavy.  I try to stay still but sometimes I have to walk a little and sway.  I don't want to do this too much as she may become dependent on the walking or swaying.  Then I swaddle her and depending on her temperment, I put her in the bassinet and continue to shhh.  I rock her with my hand on her chest and if she stops crying for just a second, she will usually start concentrating on the shhh and close her eyes.  I continue to shhh for twenty minutes. 

Yesterday was definitely easier than the first and I last night was even better.  She did wake a lot during the night but I guess Tracy recommends only working on one thing at a time.  Makes sense.  Although I am trying to implement EASY and get her to sleep on her own as well.  Should I try to only get her to sleep on her own first then really apply the EASY schedule? 

This morning's nap was difficult, I thought it would be even easier but it wasn't.  She finally went down a little while ago and then woke herself up with a jolt.  She was able to put herself to sleep again -- so far. 

Its definitely a struggle but I will try very hard to stay the path and continue moving forward.  I still have a lot of questions:  how long do we let her sleep if the nap just started right before the next feeding?  She's always eating her hand now, right after we just fed.  She is 9 weeks, could she be teething already?  There is a lot of drool.  Maybe a growth spurt, but it has lasted almost a week.  Do you try to put her down for a nap to keep with your EASY schedule if she doesn't show any signs of being tired? 

Thanks for your help. 

I would like to hear about your progress and success stories if you don't mind sharing.

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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2005, 19:23:41 pm »
Hi Lori,
I can't really help you too much with your EASY questions. I have the same ones myself.  :) Some days our schedule goes wonderfully and others (like today) she sleeps 20 minutes here and 30 there.  :roll:  :( I'm not worried too much about the schedule now. I try to stay with it and if we have crazy days, I just roll with it. I think the most important thing with children this young is to make them feel secure and let them know that you are there for them, even if it is 20 times a night. :D

Don't worry about the drool and hand chewing. They are both very normal for this age. I am not an expert, but I think the hand chewing, at this age, is a way of self comfort. They have a need to constantly suck on something.

We still struggle with her going to sleep on her own from time to time. We were up with her from 1:30-5:00 this morning. So, needless to say, she was very over tired this morning. She wasn't crying, just couldn't put herself to sleep on her own. My husband had to spend his lunch break getting her to sleep. It took 45 minutes of him standing there to reinsert her pacifier. Meanwhile, I was cleaning up the tornado my two year had created this morning and getting him down for his nap.  :D Thankfully, they are both sleeping now!!

I wish I could answer more of your questions. I also enjoying hearing what other moms are going through. It helps to know we are not alone in our struggles.  :)

I notice in some of the other emails that some people have their 9 and 10 week olds sleeping through the night and on a schedule. Please tell me how you did this.  :D Like I said before, my son was 6 months before we stopped rocking and he was on a schedule.


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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2005, 21:51:54 pm »
HI Angie,

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Am I right to wake her from naps to help establish the routine or will this cause more problems later on?


my belief is that 3 cycles is the max i let a nap go (2hr 15min) rouding up to 2 1/2 hrs to account for resettling etc that might not have been asleep etc. Especially if you had day/night issues.  you want them to get rested in the daytime (and certainly a 2hr nap will do that) but not taking their long sleeps before bedtime - that way they do learn the difference and gradually (instinctively) icrease night sleep over time. also take into account total day sleep so i would keep an eye on letting all naps go to 2 1/2 hrs if she is waking for long periods in the night (which would in that case signal either the effct of not being tired enough at night or having missed 1 feed in the day she is hungrier at night)

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Also, do any of you have babies who nap this long and if so, do they still sleep good at night?

my first was a big napper for the first 6months - she did one big nap (2-2 3/4hrs) each day and others varied from 45min - 2hrs, gradually decreasing between 3-6 months when napping went crazy and she decided she only need 2 or so hours in total from then on. even if se slept last nap until just before bedtime it never interfered with night sleep (FOR HER - every kid is different)

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I notice in some of the other emails that some people have their 9 and 10 week olds sleeping through the night and on a schedule. Please tell me how you did this.  Like I said before, my son was 6 months before we stopped rocking and he was on a schedule.

remember that every child is different and temperment, feeding (BF, bottle, ampunts taken, how well they retain calories...) all play into whetehr they settle intoa regular pattern early or later and when they sleep through. 9-10 weeks old woudl be considered early for both of these habits/situations.  don't put any added pressure on you or lo - take one thing at a time and the routine and night sleep will all fall into line together. a BF baby will have 1-2nightfeeds  for quite a few months at least and then 1 feed up to 6 months or so (depending on baby)  Anytime up to 6 mo is reasonable for a baby to nightfeed and some needthem longer.




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I am able to get her to fall asleep but as soon as I try to put her in the bassinet, she cries. I did get her to go down for a catnap a few times since yesterday. She woke after twenty minutes or so and I have only been successful and putting her back once. She usually cries until the next feed if I try to put her down. What else can I try?

this is why tracy advocates teaching independent sleep right from the start - if you have them fall asleepin your arms/chest and then transfer them they are confused as to where they are and also need the same scenario to get back to sleep/ get through the stages of sleep.  if she falls asleep in your arms gently rouse her back to the 'awake but drowsy" state and then settle her for nap.


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Should I try to only get her to sleep on her own first then really apply the EASY schedule?

you can do both - work on the independent sleep and make sure you keep the order of events E (at), A (ctivity), then S (leep). EASY is about a routine not a schedule so don't feel you have to impose a set 3 hr schedule on your lo where you are pushing for her to sleep at exact timmes and wake at exact times based on the "guide" in the book. as long as the order is right, she is not snack feeding, nor feeding to sleep, you will be establishing a good start to easy. the independent sleep is a cornerstone to success with EASY for the long run.

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how long do we let her sleep if the nap just started right before the next feeding?

if you missed her tired window (a main reson it would take until next feeding to settle to sleep) then let lo have a full sleep cycle of 45 min and then wake to get "on track" - not for the reason of sticking to a schedule but in order to get enough daytime feeds in.

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She's always eating her hand now, right after we just fed. She is 9 weeks, could she be teething already?
it could be her learning to soothe herself.  if this is close to when sheis due for sleep she could be telling you she is tired, or if not due for sleep she could be bored and need a changeof scenery.

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There is a lot of drool.

drool is quite common from now on - not necessarily a sign of teething. it takes months before they learn to handle swallowing all the extra saliva so it comes ot as drool.  :D



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Do you try to put her down for a nap to keep with your EASY schedule if she doesn't show any signs of being tired?
not showing "signs of being tired" is tricky.  my sprited one never showed signs until it was too late (overtired). if she has been awake an hour and is still not yawning etc it does not necessarily mean not tired. my lo at 5 weeks coudl go hours with no tired signs we finally had to impose EASY in tyhe sense that we started offering the nap before the tired signs appeared and suddenly she started napping better because she was not overtired.


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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2005, 18:52:17 pm »
Debra,

Thank you for addressing all of our questions.  It was such a big help to have it all laid out like that. 

Today is Day 4 for teaching independent sleep and the first nap of the day went awesome.  My LO didn't really start showing any distinct sleepy signs but she was acting a bit lethargic and started to bat her eyes a bit so we decided to put her down.  My husband took her in the room, talked to her a bit, patted and shhhed, then swaddled.  The minute he swaddled and put her against his shoulder again she closed her eyes.  He then successfully laid her in the bassinet with eyes closed and we continued to shhh for twenty minutes.  She has slept so far a little over an hour.  She was also able to put herself to sleep a couple of times. 

I realize we are probably not out of the woods yet but there is definitely some progress happening.  Its a lot easier to see the light ahead now.  We will keep to the routine and move on to the next issue. 

Happy New Year to all!!

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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2005, 19:41:34 pm »
Thanks Debra for clearing up some issues. She is doing much better now. Only woke twice to eat and then right back to sleep. :D
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2006, 23:10:36 pm »
Deb or Angie,

Any thoughts on why my LO wakes after 45 mins. at bedtime now? 

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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2006, 23:43:24 pm »
We were battling that for a while. We would put her down after our bedtime routine and everynight right at 45 minutes she would wake up. I have no idea why, but we went in and soothed her back to sleep in her crib. Sometimes all we had to was give the pacifier back and sometimes we had to stay with her for 45 minutes. It seemed to last a few days and then went away. She still does it from time to time. Like I said I don't know why. Be consistent and keep putting her back to sleep and it may go away. Maybe Debra will be able to tell you why it happens.  :D

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