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March/April '05 Thread #4
« Reply #195 on: January 04, 2006, 22:49:08 pm »
Nancy-so you were the culprit with making the page so wide!   :lol:  Just kidding!  Cute pics of Liv.  BTW, last night I did read teh entire Emotions chapter looking for the information on months 7-9 but to no evail!  But don't feel bad, it was good to go back and read anyhow, especially because it talks so much about seperation anxiety.  Thanks for the clarification!

Macaire-what did you do in yuor past life?  I know we covered this a LONG time ago, but sorry I forgot.   :oops: Sometimes I feel shameful for missing my old job/life, and then get irritated when some people say "you're so lucky to be able to quit."  What I want to say is that I sometimes see it as a sacrifice on my part, since I loved my job so much.  A sacrifice that I have made for Miss T that I know is the best decision to make, but still a sacrifice.  KWIM?

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Ankie-even exhausted you manage to maintain your sense of humour. I suppose you need to to get through your days.

Ankie you do crack me up!

Well doen Jo on moderating!  I know you will be great.  Also, loved the very thoughtful card you sent.

Congrats to all the babes doing the new things!  We should all be so proud, tear stained faces, dirty clothes, messy house and all!
Traci-BTW, how long would you say it took Cole to learn to go down the stairs?
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« Reply #196 on: January 04, 2006, 23:27:44 pm »
I only have a few minutes as we have a static baby today, I swear she has been stuck to the bottom of my pant leg all day, *sigh*.

When you say that you do quiet activities, what do you all do?  Evrything I try to do with Sophie always turns into laughing, singing ect...  Even DH says, jeez I miss the all day parties being back at work, WTH?  He came home tonight and Sophie and I were YAYAYAYAYAING at each other, failry loud  :oops: , anyway she gets really loud when we go out as well - I am not really worried (I don't think anyway) but Sophie was, um, singing, in the grocery store this morning, a lady said, boy has she got some lungs!  Are you all quiet at home?  DH and I have a tendency towards loud and rambunctious behavior, maybe we should turn it down a bit?  Anyway -I really must go - DH has just got home and we are getting ready for bath, hmm just thought that is ANOTHER rambunctious and loud event, *sigh* I swear the things I find to worry about....
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« Reply #197 on: January 05, 2006, 00:01:08 am »
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Judy-with your short/no windown for the girls...what are they doing before that.  Are you sure to keep everything quiet? 

I can't even keep things quiet WHILE they sleep :lol:    Basically once they get teary I just pick them up and take them down to bed. 

Oh wow - I think I started this a few hours ago :oops:  Just sat down for our last feed of the day and realized my post was still here.

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« Reply #198 on: January 05, 2006, 00:07:34 am »
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... anyway she gets really loud when we go out as well - I am not really worried (I don't think anyway) but Sophie was, um, singing, in the grocery store this morning, a lady said, boy has she got some lungs!  Are you all quiet at home?  DH and I have a tendency towards loud and rambunctious behavior, maybe we should turn it down a bit?

This is great!!!!  I think it's wonderful that she sings loudly in the store.  Why shouldn't she?  Maybe other people in the store could stand to learn something from her - like how to enjoy life.  Maybe I should start to sing loudly in the store (I do sing quietly sometimes but maybe I need to be LOUD!!).  Heck grocery shopping could be a whole lot more fun if people were jovial and laughing and singing. :)  Sometimes I think we all go about life very seriously, with a lot of 'shoulds' and 'appropriate behaviour' all for what?  This is LIFE we're living here and we make it out to be fairly dull...  Of course I have this rant for myself...  I find I so easily get caught up in getting through, all the 'supposed to', 'need to' stuff in life and forget that THIS IS IT - THIS is my life and am I really having fun?  I love my life but am I living it up as I should/could?  No.

Thanks Sophie for the reminder!! ;)  I have a feeling I will need a lot of these reminders though! Sorry - tough study sometimes.

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« Reply #199 on: January 05, 2006, 00:17:51 am »
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I only have a few minutes as we have a static baby today
LOL-love this description.

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I can't even keep things quiet WHILE they sleep
DUH-of course not, what was i thinking.

so-tried to put cole down at 6:15 and he just went to sleep at 7.  Not sure what I need to do.  Wake him by 3:30 so he'll go down for 6:30?

He started something new the last couple of nights...doing laps of the kitchen.  back and forth, back and forth.  tonight we were in his room at the same time and he started doing circles...it is a tiny room!  anyhoo, i wonder if this is a sign of overtiredness?  that's why i tried for 6:15.  Unlike Sophie-he doesn't get loud/talkative/boisterous until he's overtired. hmmmmmmm

quiet activities...reading, playing with blocks as opposed to noisy toys, staring out windows (a favourite)

andrea-i wasn't really consistent showing him to go down.  only a couple times a week really.  the main reason i did it yesterday is he seemed interested in going down.  usually he goes to the edge, turns around and climbs the bigger staircase. soooo, i'm not sure how long.

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« Reply #200 on: January 05, 2006, 00:20:40 am »
I agree with Judy. We are all too repressed for our on good. Perhaps we should model these babes and do something WILD once in a while.. I know, I know, I should get out more if I think singing an a grocery store is wild :oops:  :lol:

I wrote a long post and lost it so here is the truncated version.

Nancy and Micky, loved the pics.

Jo, really appreciated the note and congrats on moderating.

Nikki, I see that you are moderating 2 boards now so congrats! If you have been doing it a while and i just didn't notice, sorry :oops:

I need some input everyone...Sam has been refusing his bedtime BF the last 2 nights. Night before last, he wakes at 11.45 pm and I feed him (only took one side). He then woke at 5 starving!
Last night, same deal, shoving me away, looking away, crying, biting me or mouth clamped shut. Falls asleep after finally taking a couple of sips off one side. Wakes at 2 am crying, I try to settle but wakes again so I try and feed but same deal. DH goes to fix a bottle but Sam falls asleep in our bed while he does this. By this stage, it is 4.30 am..time flies when you are having no sleep!!! He sleeps till 6 then only feeds one side then falls asleep again. Wild horses could not wake him up!! Sleeps till 7.30 am....WTH???? :shock:

What do I do? Is he self weaning? Do I ride this out by pumping while I give him a bottle? I am not quite done BF yet!! The shoving me away etc is breaking my heart :cry:  :cry:

Thanks for being here and your input would be much appreciated!

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Everything Ankie said!!!
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« Reply #201 on: January 05, 2006, 00:21:25 am »
I agree with Judy. We are all too repressed for our on good. Perhaps we should model these babes and do something WILD once in a while.. I know, I know, I should get out more if I think singing an a grocery store is wild :oops:  :lol:

I wrote a long post and lost it so here is the truncated version.

Nancy and Micky, loved the pics.

Jo, really appreciated the note and congrats on moderating.

Nikki, I see that you are moderating 2 boards now so congrats! If you have been doing it a while and i just didn't notice, sorry :oops:

I need some input everyone...Sam has been refusing his bedtime BF the last 2 nights. Night before last, he wakes at 11.45 pm and I feed him (only took one side). He then woke at 5 starving!
Last night, same deal, shoving me away, looking away, crying, biting me or mouth clamped shut. Falls asleep after finally taking a couple of sips off one side. Wakes at 2 am crying, I try to settle but wakes again so I try and feed but same deal. DH goes to fix a bottle but Sam falls asleep in our bed while he does this. By this stage, it is 4.30 am..time flies when you are having no sleep!!! He sleeps till 6 then only feeds one side then falls asleep again. Wild horses could not wake him up!! Sleeps till 7.30 am....WTH???? :shock:

What do I do? Is he self weaning? Do I ride this out by pumping while I give him a bottle? I am not quite done BF yet!! The shoving me away etc is breaking my heart :cry:  :cry:

Thanks for being here and your input would be much appreciated!

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Everything Ankie said!!!!
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« Reply #202 on: January 05, 2006, 00:22:34 am »
Don't know why that got posted twice and now cannot delete it, sorry!! :oops:
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« Reply #203 on: January 05, 2006, 00:27:19 am »
Richelle, if Sophie's fine with all the racket - no need to change it!  :lol:  Sounds fun!  Things get pretty crazy and noisy here with me and Nathan playing around too and D joins in the fun.

We also don't have a wind-down routine - I just notice the time, Danielle also starting to look a bit tired so I take her down to her room, change nappy, close curtains, tell her it's time for nigh-nighs, put her in the cot and leave.

Judy, right.  OK looking at this objectively and not necessarily how I would see it, so coming from a UP perspective, I guess I would question this:

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Ok so I pick up Zoe's which is on the table and give a bite to Sarah - fair enough right?

To me that was done as a pay-back (and too right  :wink: ) which to me also translates to punishment for Zoe for snatching. 

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Well Zoe get's mad and SPITS OUT the bite she took onto the carpet

We get a similar response of his snack plate being tossed if it's got something undesirable on it after HE demanded/agreed to have me put something on there.  i wonder if it's like they've made the chase but didn't really want it, it was the feelings of getting the thing rather than achieving it...not sure if I'm making sense there. 

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I told her she needed to clean up every last bit before I gave her the remaining part of her bar. She's lying on the floor claiming to be too hungry to clean it up.

Yep, I know that battle of wills...I do find if I ask Nathan to clean something up, and he refuses, so I go to clean it up he gets really snotty at me and then cleans it up anyway.  Almost like he hasn't got the rise out of me that he wanted.  That's obviously no help to you though, cause I know you often take this way anyway.

Were both girls agreeable to the flavour bar they had to start with?  Maybe encourage them to think about a trade before they start eating and if there's any fighting then they need to sort it out (I know Sarah tried to head off Zoe snatching it, but what would happen say if you werent' there when it happened and say were bathing the twins and couldn't go out and referee?)

I've read a thread on another board the other day about Sibling Rivalry (where I also got the article for Deb) which talked about a book called "Mom, Jason's breathing on me" - apparently it takes a whole difference stance and basically says to let kids work it out for themselves if there is no bodily harm going to happen or that one child isn't always at an unfair disadvantage.  The aim being that they will learn to compromise, problem solve on their own without thinking that one or other of them is needing you to referee which therefore gets interpreted as you taking sides, even if you've worked hard at not letting that happen.  So in this instance mum would've probably ignored the situation, ask them to both stop fighting and to try and figure out a solution to the problem: the outcome would have been Zoe offering a piece of bar to Sarah even if it was done in a huff (yes the snatching would have still happened, Sarah would have got upset etc).  I haven't read the book and we don't have it here, I found it another interesting take.  Then you would talk to both girls later separately and let them know that you're on their side and how the issue could have been resolved.

I don't know how I would have dealt with it differently in the place that I'm at with just coming to terms with philosophy.  :?  I just know that the outcome would have been the same.

Judy, do you find it difficult to read the Discipline forum lately now that you follow UP?  I just find unless someone understands and wants to come from a UP POV, it would be hard to give advise.

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« Reply #204 on: January 05, 2006, 00:31:53 am »
OMG Judy you are soo great!  You are sooo right as well, I was thinking as Sophie was having her bath which consists of splashing, swirling, sticking her face in the water, screaming and repeat. I started laughing so hard I was crying.  What a joy she is and I don;t want her to EVER stop being like that, WTF was I thinking????  I suppose it is b/c DH and I get told we are loud alot ect.. and SOphie gets the same thing but she is always making complete strangers chuckle and smile, jeez what a blessing!!

JO - It is nice to 'see' you again it has been too long!  WHat a great addition to the MOD's!  I also got your card today, thank you - it was excellent and that Fraser holy cow, sleep or not what a looker!  Glad your holidays went well and all the best with taking Fraser to day care and goin out to work, you'll do fantastic!

Traci - No kidding Cole is a busy guy, my gosh what a star!  It has been so great seeing you more today!

Macaire - {{{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}}}} I hope you are feeling better and know that you are a great mom, Ben is very lucky to have you!

Nancy - What great pic's, Liv is a DOLL, OMG those cheeks!  What a great gift from you parents!  It sounds like she is getting back on track, fingers crossed and fingers crossed that you and LIv stay healthy with that sicko DH around.

Hannah - ARE YOU OK?  STILL OUT THERE? HOW WAS THE 1ST FEW DAYS BACK?  Sorry for yelling just wanted to make sure you could here me and you what loudmouths we are over here!

ANkie - You are such a sane and funny person what a great combo!  That girl has go to cit you some slack soon right?  She is such a little dynamo!  I really do wish upon all things that you (and Traci and Nancy) get a good sleep in the near future.

Andrea - WOW, Taylor is a bit of a keener eh?  YOu go girl....

Micky - How cute is Jack in those pic's, I LOVE the head dress/wreath?  anyway priceless with the toothy smile!

Michelle - So glad all went well with daycare and the night sleep, phew...

That is all can remember and I need to check on dinner i am making 'healthy' 'fush and chups' / "feesh and cheeps" / fich and chips oh and mushy pois ( i love it, DH is from yorkshire and turned me onto this, anyone know what I am talking about?)
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« Reply #205 on: January 05, 2006, 00:33:33 am »
Karen, I have just taken on one more board to moderate, but they've also decided to list what boards we moderate now which is probably why you noticed it.

Not sure about the self-weaning, hardcore BFers will tell you that babies don't naturally wean before 14mths.  I think they do go through stages though and Danielle was refusing her two day feeds for a few weeks but we're back on track with some perseverence.

Strangely, I've been forgetting to give her the 11am feed a few times this week, she doesn't fuss or ask for it, so I wonder if it's ok to go to 3 BFs a day?  Anyone else doing only 3?

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« Reply #206 on: January 05, 2006, 01:30:49 am »
Yes, I'm the moron who can't upload pics accurately. You'd think with all the technology around our house, I'd be a little more savvy. (Actually, it was all a plan to show of my beautiful
daughter in living color!)

ANDREA--sorry you spent the evening reading the wrong section, but I'm glad it was a refresher for you. And I agree with your "sacrifice" philosophy on not working.

RICHELLE--Liv is the same way with wind down. Even looking out windows gets her all excited. It seems like she going, moving, talking, laughing until I turn off the light and sit in the glider.
Then she gets her thumb in her mouth and crashes. Needless to say "quiet" activities aren't always that quiet for us either.

KAREN--I don't have much input as far as bf, but I know that whenever Liv refuses her bottle in the same way (throwing a fit, pushing away, etc.) it's usually because she's too tired and just
wants to go to sleep. Has he been getting enough sleep lately? Just a thought.

NIKKI--I've also been wondering about going to 3 feeds a day as Liv is very uninterested in her bottle recently. However, she's a little younger than Danielle, so I don't know if it's too early. I
thought it was typically around 9 months that they go to 3. Anyone know?
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« Reply #207 on: January 05, 2006, 01:46:39 am »
Hi Everyone

Richelle, thanks for the compliment.  Yes, we think Fraser's a bit cute  :oops:  8)  Not half biased thought  :D

Nikki and Nancy - we have recently dropped down to 3 feeds.  Fraser had been stuffing around with the 11 and 3 for a little while, and all my precious liquid gold was being dumped down the sink making me  :( .  Plus my pumping output has significantly decreased, telling me that he's taking less and less.  So we went to 3 feeds while I was on the week off and that seems to be working for him really well - he is taking MUCH MUCH better feeds now (double sided feeds - they had only been single sided for ages).  I have also swapped the lunchtime for solids first (around 11.30) and then milk (12.00/12.30).   Morning I still do BF first because if we did breakfast first I might not get to BF before I need to leave for work.  And nights is dinner at 5 and BF before bed 6.30 or thereabouts.

I've also started taking Fenugreek to help with my milk supply - I guess hoping that he'll still get plenty during those day feeds.   

Karen - maybe Sam's BF refusal is linked to this as well - Fraser was turning me away because he simply wasn't hungry enough yet.  He certainly hasn't turned me down since we've moved to the 3 feeds.

Nancy - Liv is beautiful.  Love the grumpy shot!  Reminds me of my son  :D

OK, that's all for now!

See you later!

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« Reply #208 on: January 05, 2006, 02:11:14 am »
Hi, girls!
Judy/Nikki, now I'm just scared about toddlerhood.   :) Thanks, as ever, for opening our eyes to prepare the way. 
Micky and Nancy, loved the pictures!  Sooo cute! 
Karen, I'd keep offering the bf.  I'm sure it's heartbreaking, though.  I bet Jo  is right about less feeds making for better feeds. 
On the subject, I really thought I'd be all gung ho to quit this bf-ing, but as it's getting closer and closer, I'm not so ready.   :cry:   I'll just keep selfishly thinking about my lasik surgery (have to be done bf-ing for 3 months before they'll do it b/c of hormones or something?) and maybe it'll make it easier.  How screwed up is that line of thinking?   :oops:   One of my "non-make-believe" mommy group friends  :wink: is freaking out b/c her son turns 1 next week and he still feeds to sleep at night and both naps.  I've been subtly (or maybe not THAT subtly) pushing BW, but no luck so far.  I'll have to keep you posted.
Richelle, we are really loud this way, too.  I always sing to Ryan in the grocery store, but not too loud...I'm REALLY bad!  This weekend, I guess I was loudly whistling along with the songs b/c from the next aisle over, I heard dh whistling back to me.   :lol:   
We do try to do some sort of wind-down or else Ryan can't settle.  We usually read the same book (we have a nap book and a bedtime book...don't want him to get confused and take a nap instead of going down for the night.  Again, I am a FREAK!   8) )  Our bath is crazy over here, too.  We have to wind down after the bath or there'd be no hope for sleep.  It's Ryan's favorite part of the day.   :D
Macaire, big (((hugs))) to you!  I would like to climb into your bed-tent with you...but only as friends.   :lol:  I do believe that is your first official vent and, frankly, it's about time.   :D
Okay, that's all I can think of...except I second the where the deuce is Hannah?  And Bec?
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« Reply #209 on: January 05, 2006, 02:45:44 am »
Crikey girls, lucky Daniel has big sleeps or I'd never stay on top of this thread.

Mmmm what can I remember that I wanted to say....

Macaire - gym at 5am??? OMG RU crazy?? Actually, I'm envious of your motivation. Can you send some my way. You might be able to answer a question I've posted on the healthy living site, can the baby bump tummy go away? I'm back to normal size everywhere but the mound on my tummy, it used to be flat, now it's not. Is there any point in trying to flatten it by exercise? If I suck my tummy in it goes away, is this a good sign for potential decrease in size?

Nancy - cute photos of Liv, and how wonderful to get a hand made toybox/bookcase. Could we all put in orders?

Ankie - what a sigh of relief to hear Arwyn cries at meal times. Not that it's good she cries, but to know Daniel's not the only one. Thanks for the reassurance.

Karen - my guess is Sam's ready to drop a b/feed to. In saying that (Daniel's only on 3 bottles) I"m thinking of trying to add back in a bottle thisafternoon before dinner to see if that helps. And OMG you're a superstar Karen, you SHOULD be a solids food moderator. Your recipes have got my Daniel bear eating again.  :D  :D  :D I think it was nearly me crying after lunch due to happiness. I made the couscous and vege with chkn stock recipe thismorning and he ate it for lunch. A big desertspoon full + a cube of apple mixed in with a bit more water added too. What a relief. Ok, so I admit I also had the tv on and it was later than usual 12.30pm instead of 11.30pm, so perhaps they other changes helped, but he ate without tears and I cooked it! Hopefully it was the recipe that made the real difference though. Thank you so much.

Infact, thank you all for your feeding feedback  :lol:  :roll:  :lol: it really helped. I guess the crying is just Daniel's way of saying "get this stuff out of my way, I've had enough". I'm trying to make sure I whip it away as soon as he shakes his head but it doesn't always work.

Traci - have you thought about keeping Cole up until 7pm? What are his night time cues?

Oh, I was going somewhere with that, but Daniel's just woken and I've forgotten what I had thought of earlier.

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