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Help! new nap problem.
« on: January 25, 2006, 00:49:06 am »
My DS is 4 months old and has all of a sudden started having problems going down for a nap.  After reading Tracy's first book a month ago, I put my son on EASY, he took to it immediately and did very well, I still need to work on reading his cues, though.  I have just started the "solving all problems" book.  So far I think he is ready for 4 hour easy, so I will transition him soon (this could be the problem). 
Here is what was happening at nap time:  He could stay awake between naps for 1 - 1.5 hours, so around that time is when I started watching for yawning, getting fussy, etc.  When this began I would take him to his nursery, turn on the lullabyes, change his diaper, and rock him in the rocking chair and hum along to the music.  He would fuss a little, but his eyes would droop and I would put him in his crib.  He "complained" (not all out crying, but fussing) and would drop off after just a couple of minutes.  His naps were short, though.  30-45 minutes.  I decided not to work on extending them at that point because we were working on night time sleeping.  He now sleeps very well at night. 
Last night: bath, massage, stories, lullabyes, rock in chair and in crib by 9pm, no fussing, not a peep, asleep minutes later.  Slept until 5:30 am, had a bottle (soy formula) and went back to sleep until 8:30 am.  This is by far the best night's sleep he has had so far. 
This is what happened with naps the last couple of days:  I see he is getting tired, take him to nursery, do the same thing described above, only he now screams in the rocking chair.  I get him calmed with shh/pat and put him in crib.  He screams bloody murder, like gurgling and all.  I do PU/PD until he conks out.  I am going to him to pick him up when he is actually crying.  I leave him if he is fussing.  But today the crying got so bad when I was doing PU/PD, I have never heard him cry like this.  Finally he conked out.  Before this happened he had taken a few 2 hour naps, so I thought that was great. Today his longest nap was 1 hour, first nap of the day, second nap 30 min and now he just went down 20 min ago.  I did 30 min of PU/PD before this nap.  He has never needed it before, so this is new to me.  I just skimmed the section in the book about what to do, so not sure if I'm doing it right.
I also have just started trying rice cereal with him today.  Very runny and just to get him used to the idea of eating.  He was definitely liking the sitting in the high chair, even "helped" me put the spoon in his mouth, but spit most of the cereal out.  Didn't cry, just made a sour face. 
Please let me know what you think, I somehow think there is a connection between sleeping so good at night and now not napping so well, but I don't know.

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Re: Help! new nap problem.
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2006, 02:11:24 am »
Hi there,

Your DS got 11.5 hours of night sleep last night. I don't think that is so much that it would prevent him from napping.  Could you please tell me what time you tried to put him down for the first nap?  How long was the A time?  I just wonder if maybe he's ready to stay up a bit longer and that's why he was fighting going down.

Our los sleep cycles start to mature around 4 months and it takes a while for them to adjust their nap schedule to 3 naps from the several they used to take around the clock.  It is a frustrating period, both dealing with settling issues and extending the naps to their proper length.  It is important to be consistent though and your DS will catch on eventually.

If you need help with PUPD, I recommend visiting that board.  There should be a good post at the top by Jenapple if it didn't get lost in the shuffle to the new website the other day.  It explains how she had success with PUPD.

I'll be back tomorrow to look at your awake times.

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Re: Help! new nap problem.
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2006, 02:31:25 am »
He slept in a little this morning, he usually wakes at 7 ish, but woke up at 8:30 this morning, had a bottle until about 9am (includes diaper change after BM).  Activity time until 9:50 when he started showing tired cues, asleep by 10am (not too bad getting him settled) slept until 11am.  The rest of the day went:
11:00  Activity
11:30  Rice cereal
11:45  Formula
12:00  Activity
12:30ish Started wind-down in nursery, very hard time going down.  Did PU/PD, fell asleep 12:50
1:20 woke up, no fussing, played and cooed in crib, so I let him (thought he might go back to sleep)  Started crying around 1:40, did PU/PD until I figured he wasn't going back down.  ( I probably should have started PU/PD immediately after he woke up)
2:30 Activity (suprisingly happy)
3:00  Formula (8 oz, the most he has ever taken)
3:20 Activity
3:45 this is when he had the hardest time going down, described in my last post
4:15 fell asleep (passed out from exhaustion)
4:40 woke up again happy and playing in crib, I let him stay there.
4:50 got fussy, so I went in and got him - Activity
5:50 2 yawns in a row, I take him into nursery, he screams his head off, DH comes in to relieve me after a couple of minutes, gets him down at 6:00.  As of now has been sleeping for half hour.

PS I asked DH how he got him to sleep and he let him suck on his finger until he fell asleep.  I haven't done this with him for weeks because I wanted him to self-soothe.  I help him find his thumb, etc.  But DH wanted the easy way out.

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Re: Help! new nap problem.
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2006, 15:12:43 pm »
Hi,

I have a few thoughts

1) I saw in your first post you calmed him with shhh/pat.  Will he calm in the crib with shh/pat?  PUPD is a last resort when shhh/pat won't work to calm.  Also-PUPD only works when your lo is crying.  It is a method of soothing your baby while at the same time giving them a chance to settle themself.  so when you said you should have done pupd when he woke at 1:20...there is no need.

2) Your awake time in the second slot is over 1.5 hours.  Maybe this is a touch too long for him.  If you started your windown a touch earlier to have him asleep by 12:30 it may have gone smoother.  Your third awake time is about 2.5 hours so way too long.  This is the reason it was so hard to get him down.  I would really try to keep his awake times to 1.25-1.75 hours max. right now.

3) what kind of activities are you doing, especially before windown?  I felt it very helpful to keep the last bit of activity time quiet with soft toys or just laying on the floor looking around.

4) consistency is very very important during sleep training.  Please try to explain this to DH.  It will only confuse your lo if sometimes he gets the finger to soothe and other times he doesn't.  when he doesn't he will cry and cry to tell you "mommy, this is different again". 

Your patience will pay off, hang in there!

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Re: Help! new nap problem.
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2006, 17:29:15 pm »
Thanks so much for your advice on awake time, I guess once I see it in writing I see he is awake too long also.  I only kept a log the first 4 days on EASY, maybe now that there is a change I should start again.  sleep last night was awesome! in bed at 9pm, no fussing, asleep within minutes.  Slept until 10:30, cried, did shh/pat in crib and settled back in.  Slept until 6:40 this morning and played in his crib until I came in a few mintutes later. 
Activities -  I rotate these activites depending on what he will stay interested in:
tummy time (on the floor with toys or without - he rolls around and creeps.  I also get down with him and he plays with my face :)
swing
bouncie chair with toys hanging over or not if he is fussy.  If no toys I usually point the chair toward the big window.
"standing" ( with my help) he could do this forever
practice sitting (getting better every day)
read / play with books
sing songs
listen to music, sometimes dance with mommy
sit in high chair and play with activity board attached.  If there is other noise in the house (tv, music) I turn the sound off.
look at photos if him (he likes this)
I will try doing the more colorful/noisy activities first and wind down as we go along.  BTW, I don't do all of these during one activity period, nor do I do all of them with him, some of the time he plays on the floor on his own, or with me. 
This morning's nap I took him into the nursery at 8:15, turned on lullabyes, slow danced until he "seemed" tired (layed his head on my shoulder, let out a sigh).  Put him in his crib, said "I'm going to put you down now, have good sleeps, I love you baby".  He fussed and I sat in the rocking chair where he couldn't see me.  Fussing escalated to crying, did ssh/pat in crib he quieted, I sat back down.  We did this dance for a while, then he really started crying so I did Pu/PD about 10 times, but he didn't cry when I tried to put him down (yesterday I could hardly lean over before he started in again).  This seemed better than yesterday.  Still took 30 minutes to fall asleep.  Has been asleep now for 45min.  I appreciate your help and advice, maybe I just need support while trying PU/PD.  I did read the posts on that part of the boards, did help bolster my confidence.
Thanks!!

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Re: Help! new nap problem.
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2006, 20:30:58 pm »
Most recent nap:
started quiet activity at 10:50, turned off all lights, all sound, layed on floor and talked, looked at each other.  Took him to nursery at 11:00, did routine.  He hadn't had any yawns before this, I just went by when I though he would be tired.  Had 1 yawn in nursery and 10 seconds later was screaming bloody murder, that terrible gurgling scream.   Arching back, flailing, tossing head back, scratching at my face. I hadn't even put him in his crib yet.  once I calmed him, put him in crib, he cried a little, did pat/shh in crib, he quieted, I sat in the chair, he fell asleep at 11:20.  He then woke up at 11:45.  25 minutes, his naps are getting shorter.  I'm not giving up, will keep going (what other choice do I have :)

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