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Teaching Table manners
« on: April 11, 2006, 03:18:46 am »
My lo is 10 1/2 months old.  He has been feeding himself with help from mommy and daddy and developed a particularly troubling habit.  He seems to enjoy throwing his spoon on the floor and hiding the spoon next to himsef in his high chair.  He does this throughout the meal and seems to be doing so on purpose.  I know it's early and he is still learning to eat but when can I say no to this behavior?

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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2006, 04:03:33 am »
Hmmm, I'd say he just thinks it's a fun thing to do - probably done on purpose, but then he wouldn't have a clue what table manners are...I'm not too sure what the problem is though and why it's troubling? Is it because you're helping feed him and you can't get the spoon off him? In that case you could give him another spoon to play with. Maybe it's his way of saying he's had enough? I think it's great that he's self feeding with a spoon, I would hate to think that he gave that up because you started telling him off for doing something and him thinking he was doing it wrong.

Personally, I just favour the method of letting them see us and how we act at the table rather than actually teaching table manners or saying no to certain things (like dropping food over the side). I noticed my ds when he was about 2.5yrs old was really deliberately chewing with his lips closed - I had never asked him to close his mouth while eating, and he was just observing and mimicking us.

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Re: Teaching Table manners
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2006, 04:38:26 am »
I also have a 10.5mo & you know he is doing exactly what his older brother did at this age... seeing what happens. We have never "consiously" taught our 2.5yo "table manners" but because he eats with us most of the time he "knows" what to do, he uses a knife & fork mostly properly & that (I think) is simpply because he sees us do it.

when I take to feeding ds#2 I take 4 spoons & give him one & then if I need another (ie all others are on the floor), I pick one up & use it (he licks the floor etc) so I don't seen too much of an issue with a spoon that has been on the floor.

To be honest having 2, the one thing I have learnt is "they will do as they see done" so if you make a big issue of them throwing a spoon on the floor he will take it as a game & you will see it happen more often, if you just let it happen & "roll with it" it soon becomes no fun & stops.
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2006, 06:37:05 am »
I am a good manners fan and I see where you come from. What your wee fella does isn't bad manners though, it's learning. He is just discovering the "what happens if" stage.

However, it's not too early to introduce table manners anyway. I would let him play with his food and stuff, can't help that.

But good table manners include for instance that everybody sits around the table and starts eating at the same time and doesn't get up until the last one is finished... It might not be too early for that. If he sees how everybody behaves at the table he will imitate the family.

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2006, 11:32:13 am »
Did you say he was 10.5 months?

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Re: Teaching Table manners
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2006, 12:38:49 pm »
I think its a wee bit early for him to be learning table manners at 10.5 months.

Your Lo is still young and learning about the environment around him and how things work.
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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2006, 17:53:42 pm »
I agree with everyone here, it will be a wee bit early to TEACH table manners, but it is not to early to let him WATCH good table manners :)

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Re: Teaching Table manners
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2006, 11:56:54 am »
I don't teach per se but I do say 3 times and then no more; so when it is dropped/thrown/hidden the first time I smile at her and play the game and then say we are trying to eat, we need our spoon.  The 2nd time I am less encouraging about it and tell her when need the spoon to eat otherwise mummy will have to control it, I also tell her the next time it won't come back.  The 3rd time I say oh dear, that's 3 times so it can't come back now and mummy will feed you.  I started this at 5 months and wasn't sure it really worked but now when I say next time it won't come back she smiles at me and either throws it immediately and grins or holds onto it so I think it might be working.
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2006, 02:25:09 am »
Colour me silly (or stupid ;)) but I just figure these things are part of their learning and fun for them... so I make them fun for me too. :)  My girls toss their sippy cups off their trays, oh about 18 times per meal.  And they smile and say "uh uh uh uh ooooooooh!" :)  Sometimes they say that BEFORE they toss it and I laugh and say "Hey!!  You haven't even dropped it yet! Monkey!" :) and pick it up and give it back so they can do it again.  If they don't look pleased I gave it back and chuck it immediately a few times then I figure that *I'M* not getting their point and I put it on the table assuming their telling me 'no thanks mom, really it's in the way right now' but the moment they make a noise looking at it I give it back.

Children's learning involves doing things over and over and over and over and over and over seemingly endlessly.  I try to accomodate as best I can.  They go to their drawer and toss out all the plastic plates and cups and when the drawer is empty and the play slows I put them all back in.  It's fun cuz they try to pull them out before I get them all back in :)  and then I stand back and wait till it's all empty again and we repeat.

Like I said - colour me silly but I love the game and love watching how their minds work.

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Re: Teaching Table manners
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2006, 16:24:28 pm »
My son has started throwing his food off of his tray, and I think I did it wrong.  It must also be noted that this is done somtimes immediately when we sit down, so he's not full.  I told him no we food doesn't belong on the floor.  Well, I forgot that he thinks no is a big joke.  "No, don't try to bite the cat's tail  because she will try to take your head off." is a big joke as well.  So, do you think I just ignore it?  As a teacher, I always tried to praise good behavior rather than punish bad behavior, but I also don't want to get into praising eating either because I want him to stop when he's full and not think eating is something that he needs to do for praise.  Thoughts?



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Re: Teaching Table manners
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2006, 16:45:54 pm »
Henrys Mom

I'm interested in this as well, I am still at the stage where everything and anything goes striaght in the mouth and stays there.
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2006, 19:21:32 pm »
Henry's mum, from my experience, the less you pay attention to this type of thing the less they are likely to continue to latch onto as what they're doing for any longer than their natural curiosity would (from me experience kids seem to have an inbuilt measure on experimenting with things and need to get it out of their system). Because what they're doing is not because of bad table manners, but purely "dropping an object from height", it is a science experiment. It is something that almost all babies will do at this age - even the baby books describe this as an age appropropriate action. So I guess, my philiosophy is to ignore it for the most part. But, a few things that I found helped during the phase: place only small amounts of food on the tray at a time, I think babies can find a whole selection of stuff a bit overwhelming. So place a piece of each flavour and replace as needed. If I do find my dd had eaten all that she wants off there and I see her starting to toss it, I will remove the food in a low-key way and offer something different if I know that she is likely still hungry. She may have just had enough of the flavours at that time, or maybe on that particular day she's not into having xx. You could set her up to drop a bunch of toys away from food time and maybe in a different room if you don't want to associate the dropping for play with eating. But I've just found that it only lasts a few months if you don't make a big deal of it.

For your pulling the cat's tail scenario - a good way to deal with this type of thing is to instead of saying "no, don't pull the cat's tail" (as he is likely to hear "pull the cat's tail"), so rephrase it with what to do instead "let's pat the cat gently, oooh, see how the cat loves being stroked?" and guide his hand in a gentle action. It is best for any changing of these types of things to show the desired action and thereby ignoring the one you don't like, but not ignoring the child - if that makes sense?

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Re: Teaching Table manners
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2006, 01:04:26 am »
Thanks for the good info.  My husband and I had some laughs at some of the stories about your LOs and appreciate everyone's input.  Emmett has for the most part quit throwing his spoon.  We have been trying different finger foods and he is more interested in all the flavors.  Thanks again

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Re: Teaching Table manners
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2006, 14:06:20 pm »
My DD went through that stage and we opted for ignoring it and she eventually got bored of it. We took the route of letting her make as much mess as she wanted (within reason) and she did certainly learn to eat on her own quicker. She is almost two now and is starting to get table manners. Just today I told her I would take her yoghurt away if she carried on dipping her fingers in it and messing around and she certainly got the message sharpish.
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