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« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2006, 11:08:47 am »
I am falling apart.  My dd is 17 months old.  It's almost 4am.  DH is out of town for the week, AGAIN.  DD is nursing too much.  Reading all of the posts prior to mine just brings tears to my eyes.  In fact, I just cried because I desperately want to end nursing, especially at night.  Waking up 3 times a night is just killing me.  I am tired of being cranky and tired all day long.  I just got my period back last week....because dd nurses so much even during the day.  She nurses several times in the morning and several times in the afternoon and at least several more during the night.  I don't offer BUT I am to the point where I have started refusing....esp. in the morning.  She'll wake up and want to nurse....eat breakfast and want to nurse again.....want to nurse again after my shower......want to nurse again after I drop my older dd at preschool....  It seems like every chance she gets she wants to nurse.  It's crazy.  I can't nurse every hour or every two hours during the day.  I feel so out of control and am mentally in shreds over it.  It takes time away from myself and my older daughter.  My older daughter nursed until she was 18 months and dh and I both worked to wean her.  It was a lot easier with her.  With my 17 month old, she freaks out if I delay her and gets very angry.  I'm tired of using my boob as a pacifier.

I've tried hard to distract dd.  I offer snacks, something different to do, or a sippy cup.  It just doesn't work.  She's terribly persistent and won't leave me alone until I cave in.  I'm really trying not to be selfish but I want to be done.  On a daily basis I am either bitten, scratched or pinched.  No matter how many times we have talked about it or taken some action it, she just doesn't get it.  And the worst part of all is that she sticks her finger into my navel which I just hate.  More often than not, I think dd just hangs on.  It irritates me.  There isn't any letdown....and if there is, it takes a long time for it to happen.

I want my body back.  I am tired of lifting up my shirt.  I just want to hug and kiss instead of nursing.  Please, I need to wean her.  I think we've gone far enough and it is way past my own personal goal.  I know she doesn't want to give it up but, I'm done.  We're nursing out of control and it just isn't working.  It's not fair to me and it's not fair to my older one who has to watch and wait for us to finish.   

Please, any advice in this advanced situation would greatly help.  I just can't do this anymore.

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« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2006, 15:51:32 pm »
Hi,
I am new to the site and need a little advice as far as weaning goes.
My son is almost 10 months old and I have been BF the whole time. He started solids around 6 months and loves it. He is actually more interested in regular food than baby food at this point. I am thinking about #2, hence the question about weaning. I work full time and have been pumping for 6 months. Here is the daily schedule-
5am-pump
7am-pump
10am-pump
4:30pm-nurse
7:30-nurse
i have already eliminated the 7am pumping and am working on taking out the 4:30 nursing.
Any suggestions? How long will this take? What can I supplement with? Regular milk from a sippy cup(he does really well with a sippy cup with water)? Any help would be great!
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« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2006, 14:59:01 pm »
Hi, my LO is 12 1/2 months old, and I'm currently nursing his morning and evening feeds.  I weaned the two daytime feeds over the last few months, and he transitioned to formula from a bottle with little problem.  He drinks water from a sippy at all his meals. 

I'd like to wean his morning and evening feeds over the course of this summer, but he doesn't seem to like milk!  We switched to milk in his bottles when he turned one, and sometimes he rejects it completely, sometimes he takes a few ounces.  He won't drink it at all at mealtimes. 

He likes all sorts of dairy products, like yogurt and cheese, and I'm not giving up on offering the milk in a variety of ways, so I'm not worried about calcium (yet).  However, I'm unsure how to wean the last two feeds if he won't drink any milk.  Do I offer him milk in a bottle and just skip it if he doesn't take it?  Then, should I offer him water and a snack instead or is that reinforcing that he doesn't have to drink the milk?  Somehow it just seems sad to give him only water right before bedtime.

Any suggestions or advice is appreciated!  Thanks!

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« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2006, 16:40:17 pm »
Lucmom, what about trying a different type of sippy cup?  My lo is around the same age and he drinks his milk (maybe 4 oz a day) out of one of the straw cups.  I'm planning on dropping the morning and evening feed this summer, too.  I can't believe it's time already!
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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2006, 03:28:32 am »
Thanks so much MamaCobb.  I'd heard that suggestion, and tried it once without success, but I think I will try it again.  Do you do water out of a regular sippy and milk out of the straw cup?  So, does your lo take just 4 oz total from all his opportunities to drink milk?  And if so, how much milk are you planning to offer when you drop the feeds?    Thanks!

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« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2006, 03:39:41 am »
I offer both water and milk out of the straw cups.  I take water with me on errands, etc. and give milk during lunch, snack and dinner.  I haven't been really exact about how much milk he drinks.  I have an appt. w/ the pediatrician on Friday and I'm going to ask him about that very topic (number of ounces he should drink, etc.)  He eats cheese and yogurt daily, too.  OH, another thought...Spencer didn't take to the straw at first either, so then we tried again (around 10 mo) and we diluted apple juice to make it a bit more tempting.  Now I just do water and milk.  I hope this makes sense!
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« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2006, 21:34:16 pm »
I guess we belong here now... :'(

Lilah had been nursing morning and bedtime since a little after her 1st birthday.  With my new pregnancy, my milk decreased to essentially nothing at about 10 weeks.  Which has resulted in tears from Lilah ("more mama milk!"  :'( ) and then of course tears from me.  She will try and try to get some more out of there, but the dry sucking is very uncomfortable for me.  And for the first time ever, I'm not engorged if we skip a feed (since there's nothing there anyway  :( ).  So we've now started don't offer, don't refuse.  Some days, she doesn't ask for it at all.  Some days, she asks both morning and night.  (Sometimes she asks during the day, but I tell her "Later, at bedtime", then try to distract her).  It seems like a natural time to encourage her to wean, and I'm not sure I'm prepared to tandem nurse anyway (though I will if she's really resistant).  But it's really difficult, because I feel like I'm stopping because I want to and because of the new baby coming... which makes me feel a bit of a traitor. :-[  And when she cries for "more mama milk," it breaks my heart.  Just wanted to some encouragement and/or advice.
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« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2006, 08:45:00 am »
Hi Ladies - so sorry some recent posts have been overlooked especially momminluv. If you feel you're not getting the response you'd hoped for do feel free to start a new topic outside this thread. Subjects like "Oy! I need help/hugs" are perfectly welcome. I'll try and make more of an effort to check this thread.

momminluv - are you still here? - HUGS- I'm so sorry you are having a tough time. I think some of your issues go beyond simply nursing. It's also about teaching your LO empathy and respect for your feelings. I know it's easy for me to say but it's also the case that everytime you 'cave' she is learning that persistance will work in the end and your 'word' is not a consistent thing. I think you may need a few days of awfulness to get back control. I've heard someone using a method where they give their LO tokens (sounds a bit odd I know) and they say 'you have this many nursing sessions today' and when they are finished  - that's it. So the nursling has choice and control but there are limits. I guess it will depend a bit on your LO's language skills - she may well be too young for this. Or another option is you wear something - a special necklace or whatever - that indicates the milk bar is open and at other times it WILL not happen. Whatever she says/ does at the times the necklace is not on you do not give in. You offer hugs/ silly dances/ nice food but nursing is not an option. You control when you put the necklace on and if you really really feel desperate and you have to cave you can always pop off and put the necklace on - you retain control. I would say that if her behaviour at the breast bothers you - e.g tummy button - then end the session and make it clear why. Let her come back on and if it happens again - take her off. At 17 months she will get it.
I know all this is easy for me to say but you need to find the strength from somewhere to be firm. It's your body and you are the adult. You are teaching her important lessons about patience and respect for other people. It would be sad to end a nursing relationship out of frustration and resentment. If you can get through this the mood may change significantly and you can end on happy note. Does any of this make sense?

lilah's mommy - I'm so sorry you're not sure what to do. I can just picture you both in tears and it's heartbreaking to imagine. You sounds unsure about tandem nursing and you sounds like dry nursing is painful (so an SNS is probably not a sensible suggestion!). If colostrum were to come in over the next few weeks and her interest returned would you be comfortable with that? I'm not sure tandem nursing is easy at the best of times but especially hard during those first few weeks if you are not enthusiastic.
I can't see how it is going to be easy on those days when she asks all the time. Is there any obvious reason why those days seem different? What is going on on the days when she never asks at all?
The LLL breastfeeding answer book describes 'don't offer, don't refuse' as something that can help accelerate weaning alongside other techniques. They also talk about the importance of brainstorming your daily routine and thinking through what the triggers might be before she asks to nurse. Anticipate and offer a distraction before being asked rather than at the point of being asked.
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"Once the child has asked to nurse, distraction and substitution are far less likely to be effective. They work best when they are offered before the child thinks of breastfeeding"
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It also talks about changing a morning routine to avoid the morning 'ask' e.g have daddy give a solid breakfast first before mummy cuddle time happens in a new place.

You are not a traitor. It sounds to me that perhaps weaning is the right thing for you if you don't really want to tandem feed in your heart. Weaning earlier will not give it an association with the baby coming. I think if that's what you want to do then trust your instincts on this one. She's had a great nursing experience and it's best now it's done with relaxed planning than in sad desperation with a newborn in your arms when you realise tandem nursing feels all wrong - just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2006, 21:37:24 pm »
Sabrina - I know how you feel about weaning because you want to wean (rather than Lilah).  I felt the same with dd1.  I had it sort of in my mind that she would be the one to self-wean, but it didn't happen that way.  In my experience dd1 got a 'renewed' love of nursing once dd2 was born and the milk was again flowing!  During my pregnancy she would sometimes go a day without 'nursing' (when we were busy and would both forget) and she was possibly on her way to self-weaning.  So I did feel guilty about being the one to 'impose' the weaning, and would wake in the night worrying about why I was doing it (before I finally took the plunge and refused her requests).  We were down to one bf after breakfast (I had decided to wean the bedtime feed during my pregnancy in anticipation of being away from dd1 when in hospital).  If you are not 100% happy with idea of tandem nursing, then I would not do it, as it is not that easy.

Anyway, no real advice for you, just to say I think I know how you feel.  You know you have done a great job nursing for so long.

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« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2006, 20:45:00 pm »
Hi,
Lilah's mum: just wanted to offer support I nearly cried just reading about the "more milk" thing. I too am pregnant with a 10.5 month old: she still BF 4 times a day and I want to keep going as long as poss (though I don't want to tandem feed either) but starting to think about dropping feeds is hard!

If anyone has any advice/reassurance about dropping feeds that'd be great: I'd like to stop feeding in the day soon, partly so we don't do it all at once in 5 months time and partly because she's getting much more willful and attatched, and I'd rather fight the battles before it gets worse! I'm happy that she'd get lots fo the benefts feeding morning and night for as long as my milk lasts before the baby comes, so I don't think she needs those feeds any more from a nutritional/antibody point of view.
At the moment we have a wake up feed (which she cries and cries for so how can I get her to chill out about it in preparation for dropping it eventually?) a before morning nap feed at 9.30ish(which I'm worried about dropping in case she gets hungry and stops sleeping!) an after afternoon nap feed (4ish) and a bedtime feed (which I'm going to try and follow with a story/separate from bedtime asap). I had vaguely planned to drop the 2 daytime ones before she's 1 but if anything she seems more dependant on them than she used to, and she seems to be getting plenty still: I'm struggling to get her to drink anything else (she'll maybe have 3/4 sippy cup of water total over the whole day): it#s really hot here at the moment, and likely to be for the next few weeks (plus we go on holiday for about 3 weeks soon one of the reasons I want to drop feeds) so I'm not sure where to start! I desperatey want to avoid using a bottle: she's not had one till now.
I tried just not offering, and for the daytime ones I think she'd be fine with that until she gets thirsty later on but refuses sippy cup now because she wants boob! (I kindof wish I'd done it 6 weeks ago when she wasn't so bothered!)
My friends baby just dropped daytime feeds himself a couple of months ago and I'd always thought that would happen but I'm realising it probably won't: do I just have to sweat it out and put up with the tears till she learns to be better about the sippy cup? (she can drink from it really well if she wants to, she has on occasion had a whole cup at one sitting but usually she just messes).

Any tips anyone?
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« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2006, 05:35:34 am »
Yes, momminluv is still here.  *sigh*  I just went out and bought 3 new nursing bras.  *sigh*  We're still about the same for night wakings.  DH tries to go in and help but little dd just won't have him....I try to keep busy during the day so dd won't ask for boob.  It's still the mornings that get to me.  I don't understand why she needs to nurse so often....how about eating breakfast like other normal human beings?  Grrr.  And naps?  Needs to nurse BEFORE and AFTER.  Ugh.  She nurses on one side only, so I'm a little lopsided. 

I think at this point that I need to tackle just a portion of the problem.  How about the night nursings?  How can I get her to stop without freaking out?  When she wakes up I go in and she is clutching her lovey and sitting or standing up.  I nurse her for about 5 minutes and as soon as she's done I put her back down in her crib.  She rolls over and goes to sleep.  She usually wakes up around 11:30pm, 2:30am, 4ish, 6ish....  ugh.  It's the schedule of a newborn for a child who is almost 18 months.  I think it's habit.  Or it's teeth.  She doesn't have any side chops yet....just the front teeth.  Some side chops are poking through.  It's awful.  Should I attempt a dream feed before 11:30pm and see if it throws her off? 

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« Reply #41 on: July 05, 2006, 09:32:30 am »
i'm glad you've checked back in here, its good to know whats going on!! (yes i am quite nosey!! LOL!!)

its sounds like keeping busy is a good idea, i know with my dd i often resort to putting her in the buggy and going round the block when she keeps wanting the boob.

re:breakfast - if she had quite a bit of milk in the night it stands to reason she won't really be up for breakfast. you could try different things though if she normally has the same for b/fast as she might be bored with it?

with my dd i've been weaning her off day time feeds and that seems to have stopped nightime wakings, i think she was getting milk/comfort in the day whenever she wanted it so expected the same to happen in the night and for her it was a habit (i think!). i've also been a bit strict lately on not giving her snacks (or milk) in between  meals which means shes eating better size meals and is actually hungry for them.

i really hope things are going ok,

lots of love bec xxx

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p.s the dream feed is defo worth a try...you've got nothing to loose!!


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« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2006, 21:28:13 pm »
It seems like things are settling a bit.

Lilah does still ask for "mama milk", but it's more like she's just noticing that my breasts are still there-- she point to them and says, "mama milk."  I am able to tell her now "there's no more mama milk.  It's all gone.  But you can have a cup of milk and sit in mama's lap."  That used to not fly at all, but now she accepts it with no tears.  It's funny, today she pointed to my breasts saying "mama milk" and when I said there's no more, she went over to DH (who had no shirt on) and said "Baba milk" and tried to latch onto his hairy chest!  He laughed and told her only mamas can make milk.

Anyway, she now very rarely asks for the morning feed, so I think we're done with that one.  And we've gone two nights now without the bedtime feed, so I think we're on our way.

I feel sad yet fairly sure this is the right thing for us right now.  Because I usually produce so much milk, any time I'd try to skip a feed before my pregnancy was very, very painful.  Now I never feel full.  Lilah is also able to accept other forms of comfort and cuddling, and to understand that the milk is all gone anyway.  And because I really am not sure tandem nursing is for me (though I'd try harder to stick it out if Lilah were a year younger), I think this makes a natural time to wean.  So far things are going well.  When my milk first disappeared, things were rough, but it seems Lilah's now willing to accept the change and move on to the next phase of our relationship.  What a big girl! :) :'(
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« Reply #43 on: July 06, 2006, 22:52:26 pm »
Okay - I have skimmed thru most of the posts and have a question -
I am not ready to completly wean yet, maybe before the baby -we'll see. But I do want to drop some feeds. We are currently at -
When he gets up (maybe 6-6:30) and this is a long feed, he will nurse for a good 30 minutes
*After breakfast (like half way between when we ate and his am naptime)
When he wakes from am nap
*About an hour after lunch time
*Just before PM nap (if he asks for it)
When he wakes from pm nap
*After dinner (if I am sitting down somewhere and he asks)
Before bed

The * ones are the ones I would like to drop and just feed 3-4 times a day. I know he can handle it cause he does fine when we are out and he only nurses 4 times a day, but when we are home it's more often.

I have been trying to offer the sippy cup with milk or juice  but that doesn't always work - he often takes a couple sips and then hands me back the cup and lays down to try and nurse :-\

Any other ideas - I am kinda with Sabrina - I am feeling like I am doing this as I am preg and not wanting to tandem nurse but at the same time I don't think he is going to be willing to give up the breast at this point so I was going to continue a little longer and see how he did with a decrease in the milk during pregnancy and how he does dropping some feeds. I would be okay tandem nursing if it was just once or maybe twice a day but not all day long, but DH is ready for me to wean and I am getting close to ready myself so I think we will wean before March anyway.
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« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2006, 21:19:00 pm »
Jennifer,

That is a lot of nursing when you're pregnant and tired!  I don't have experience with this, as Lilah was down to two feeds with the odd mid-day feed very occasionally by the time I got pregnant (either time).  But I'll offer what I did to get down to those two feeds.  Lilah was nursing 4 times a day, first thing in the morning, after morning nap, after afternoon nap, and before bed (the classic EASY pattern) from 9 months, when we institued EASY to 12.5 months.  A couple weeks after her first birthday, after she had started taking a sippy of milk (which I started by mixing half-and-half with drinkable yogurt, to encourage her to drink, then slowly reduced the amount of yogurt and increased the milk), I just skipped the after morning nap feed, gave her her sippy, and took her out to play.  That last part was the most important-- the distraction part.  She was much more fascinated with her friends (we live in student family housing and all we have to do is leave our apartment and go to the playground downstairs to find other toddlers to play with) than with nursing.  I have read that this is the age at which that kind of distraction becomes possible, becuase they are suddenly much moe interested in what's going on around them.  A few weeks later, I did the same with the after afternoon nap feed.  We kept up with morning and bedtime nursing until a couple weeks ago, when we started dropping the morning feed.  We are now dropping the bedtime feed.  She hasn't nursed at bedtime for three nights in a row now, so we might be done.

Anyway, I don't think you need to worry about the sippy too much yet, though you might try to get him used to it so he can take milk from it when he needs it.  If you are still nursing 3-4 times a day, he will likely just nurse longer and take more at one nursing, and he really will not need any extra fluids (except for maybe a sip of water now and then).  As long as your supply keeps up, he'll be getting all the fluid he needs from 3-4 feeds, and a good deal of the calcium and protein he needs (though supplementing with yogurt and cheese will help with that).  So I'd advise not pushing the sippy during the nursing times you're trying to drop, and just doing an activity during which he does not normally nurse, like going to the playground, a play date, etc.  And encourage the sippy use at other times, so he doesn't associate it with a nursing replacement.  Does that make sense?  And of course, don't try to drop more than one feed every four-five days, or your breasts will be near to bursting!

It's also likely he'll drop one of his naps sometime fairly soon, which will then require reworking of the nursing schedule anyway.  That might also offer another opportunity to drop a feed.

HTH!
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