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« Reply #60 on: July 27, 2006, 00:44:06 am »
I did something similiar. My LO is just 11.5 mo old but I have dropped the three EBM bottles during day and nurse in am and after I get home from work. I made sure he had sippy cup down. Then slowly dropped amount of lunch-time bottle to 4 oz and then took that bottle away and substituted with milk. Then one week later did same with 0900 bottle and then one week later (today) stopped sending in 3:00 bottle. He seems fine, no night awakenings. I judged he was ready but not refusing the breast this weekend- but not offering as often either. He really nurses well in the morning and after work- so I am content to continue with this. Its nice not pumping anymore, but still having the connection. He has been a good eater and takes in three solid meals so his nutritional needs are being met. I have pumped over the last 2 weeks just for comfort as needed and haven't pumped for 3 days!! I was a little worried about mastitis- I've had three bouts this time, but so far we are good. Now...how do I burn my pump!! I love nursing but really never enjoyed pumping! But I reached my goal of no formula (that was my personal goal) and I may continue with morning/evening nursings for another 3 or 6 months- we'll see!
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« Reply #61 on: July 28, 2006, 02:33:02 am »
Hi all,
It's been a little while, so I thought I'd check in.  My lo (who wouldn't take milk), decided that he likes soy milk out of a particular type of sippy cup.  It took a couple of weeks of experimentation on my part and developing on his part to find the right combination, so I encourage any of you who are having a similar issue to just keep trying, but don't worry too much.

I've weaned very slowly, starting about 4 months ago when LO was about 10 months, first dropping the afternoon feed, then the morning nap one, then keeping am and pm until recently.  I dropped the daytime feeds because it was getting more and more difficult to pump at work.  (Twitchy -- I was also a single side feeder, and I didn't find that I had to change things when dropping the first daytime feed, but went back to double side when I was down to just 2 feeds -- seems like my milk started decreasing at that point as well since I wasn't feeding or pumping regularly all day long).  The am feed was fairly easy to drop -- LO was upset the first couple days and kept gesturing to his rocking chair where we nurse (which just about broke my heart), but then totally was over it by the third day.  I'm just about to drop the pm feed.  I have a little anxiety over how it's going to be to go to bed without nursing for him and wondering if he'll still cuddle with me if he only has a sippy or a bottle, and a little sadness that this phase is ending. 

Just as others have written, enjoy the experience while it lasts and keep going until it feels right to you and LO to move on to the next exciting phases.    Best to all.

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« Reply #62 on: July 28, 2006, 04:19:29 am »
Hi all,
I would like some advice on weaning. I will be returning to work three days a week starting the end of August. My 8 month old son currently breastfeeds 4 times a day. He used to take a bottle as a supplement, but now will not take a bottle or formula anymore since 6 months. He takes a sippy cup, but only takes a few small sips of water and then he's through.

He now feeds at approximately 7, 11, 3, and 7. When I start back to work, how will I have the nanny do the 11 am feeding? Should I use the sippy with expressed breastmilk even though he takes so little from a cup? If I do this, should I start giving him the sippy now at 11am - so that he has 4 weeks of the routine with me before I go back to work?

Also, I will return home from work at 4pm so I thought that I could somehow move his 3pm feeding to 4, but will this be too late?

Please let me know what you think or what's worked for you.  :)

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« Reply #63 on: July 28, 2006, 14:42:47 pm »
I think that you will just have to play it by ear for the 3 pm feeding. My little one used to wait until I got home at 4 to nurse also (which was nice for both of us). Some days he might be too hungry and will want to have some milk before 4. Since he is older I would probably not try to reintroduce the bottle. I would keep working on a sippy. He will eventually drink more when he gets hungry enough! You can also just ensure that he has extra yogurt, cheese etc during the day to supplement him not drinking enough milk. My son was never a bottle fan and somedays he would have only a few oz (13 or 14 oz) and then nurse 1 time at night. I didn't think he was getting enough milk. My ped said not to worry and just to offer more food with calcium.

Have you tried a straw cup? It took some time for my son to take to the sippy but after 1 week of the straw cup he was hooked. I would get the kind that is not spill proof because it is easier for him to learn to suck out of it (Playtex). But once he knows how I would move to the spill proof one (Munchkin - only 2 designs, Spongebob or Dora). Target also has a great sippy called the Nuby. It's super cheap and it has a soft spout that all babies seem to love

I would say you should attempt to try the 11 am with the sippy now with EBM. But it will also be hard because you will be right there for him and its so easy to just bring him over for a quick snuggle and drink! It's all trial and error!

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« Reply #64 on: July 29, 2006, 02:59:14 am »
I definitely agree with starting with cups that aren't spill-proof.  Breastfed babies don't seem to get that they have to suck on this hard plastic thing in a way totally different from nursing to get anything to come out.  The cup that Lilah finally took was the very basic, free-flowing spout type from First Years-- it looks just like those old-fashioned Tupperware cups we had. I've also heard good things about the Nuby, though I mostly hear that little ones who are transitioning from a bottle to a sippy love it.  Lilah also really liked straw cups. Just keep trying with one style for a bit before you move on, to give him a chance to learn.  He will get it-- I promise.
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« Reply #65 on: July 29, 2006, 11:24:52 am »
My LO took a while (weeks to months) to finally "get" the sippy cup and we tried them all- straw, nuby, playtex, gerber. He was used to EBM in bottle at school. Once he figured out tipping the cup up, he seemed to come faster. He is able to get the liquid out- now we are working with him swallowing vs running down his chin. He practices with water usually.
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« Reply #66 on: July 29, 2006, 22:28:03 pm »
We started on the cup at 6 months.  Lilah did not "get" it until she was 9 months old.  And it was so sudden-- one day she just took the cup and drank from it like a pro.  I have just found she can now do the same with an open cup almost perfectly (though I still usually only give water in an open cup).  And this she barely practiced at all, except when she would drink the bathwater in the tub (SO GROSS!) ::) .  So I think that as with most things, they get it when they get it, and there's not too much we can do to speed up the process.
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« Reply #67 on: July 29, 2006, 23:14:20 pm »
BOTH of my LO LOVE drinking bath water! What's the deal? And I agree---- UGH! ::)
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« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2006, 16:55:20 pm »
lol and pool water  :P too



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« Reply #69 on: July 30, 2006, 21:35:01 pm »
Kenzi's first sippy was the Gerber starter cup but it was maybe two weeks before she could consistently suck hard enough to get water out.  (This was around 5 months.)  It was cute to watch her little tongue moving in and out like when she bf's, wondering why it didn't make the liquid come faster. 

As far as pool water, Kenzi will drink it like it's the best thing she's ever had, but how dare I try to nurse her after swimming before having a chance to shower.  Somehow the chlorine flavor isn't as good on my boobs...

We've dropped the afternoon bf and introduced milk a few days ago.  I thought it was going to be easy because the first time Kenzi had milk, she chugged three ounces before I took it away.  I only wanted her to have a little so we could see how she digested it.  But since that day she just sips at it.  We had assumed that we could just give her a sippy at the time I used to nurse and that she'd just drink that down instead.  But she only takes a little at a time and then plays, then has a few more sips while she flips through a book, etc.  Since it's just one feeding's worth, today I filled up a sippy and offered it at every meal and over the course of the day she finished it.  But I don't know what I'll do when she's supposed to be drinking three sippies' worth.  Hopefully by then she'll be willing to drink more at one time.

And I know this is just petty, but I don't like having twice as many cups to wash!  It used to be one cup a day that had water or juice-water, but now I actually have to wash cups more often than the dishwasher is run.  Being a mom is really conflicting with my slothfulness.
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« Reply #70 on: July 31, 2006, 01:06:09 am »
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Our LO's have the same b-day! So this mornign we went to breakfast and he was taking milk from sippy and spitting it out...until the food came- then was drinking milk as he ate. Same sippy...same milk. I guess it was pre-meal entertainment!  ::)
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« Reply #71 on: August 01, 2006, 18:57:41 pm »
Hi
I just saw this on the bottle-feeding board and thought it would be useful to have here:

It's an extract from BW Solves All Your Problems (Thanks to Calum's mum)

From Breast to Bottle:
The First Steps of Weaning



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There are two factors that influence what happens when you try to introduce a bottle: your baby’s reaction and yours, the impact on your your mind and body. You might want to introduce a bottle because you’re ready to wean your baby entirely, or because you want to make your life easier by replacing one or more breast-feeding sessions with bottle-feeds. Either way, you’ve got both factors to contend with. The older your baby, the harder it will be for you to get her used to a bottle in the first place if she’s been exclusively on the breast. But with older babies it also will be easier for your body to adapt to the change, because your milk will dry up more quickly (see box, page 126). At the same time, though, a lot of murns have a strong emotional reaction to reducing the number of breast-feeds and, especially, to quitting altogether.

So let’s take the baby first. The procedure is the same for one who’s never had a bottle as it is for one who had one several months earlier and now seems to have forgotten how to drink from one. 1 get tons of emails and calls from mums who have struggled with both problems. Here’s a posting from my website:

               Hi, I am mum to a six-month baby boy. Does anyone have advice on introducing the bottle? I don’t want to stop
               nursing but I need a break. He will not entertain a bottle, we have been trying far the last twelve weeks. I have tried almost
               everything, cups, bottles, breast milk, formula, etc.

Twelve weeks! That’s a lot of coaxing and cajoling and frustration—— yours and your baby’s. Obviously, this mum is not in a hurry. Imagine if she had to go back to work, as many do! For example, I remember Bart’s mum, Gail, who breastfed her son for the first three months and then called me: “1 am going back to work in three weeks and would ideally like to breast-feed in the morning, late afternoon and evening and then use bottles of formula for the other feedings.”

Regardless of whether you’re switching to a bottle and plan never to breast-feed again or you want to do only a few feeds a day, my advice is make sure you’re ready, stay the course, and steel yourself for a bumpy day or two. Of course, if your baby is 6 months or older, you might consider going straight to a trainer cup and skip the bottle. But if you decide to go ahead...

Find a type of nipple that most closely resembles your own. Some gung-ho breast-feeding experts warn of “nipple confusion” and use it as a reason not to give a bottle before three or six months of age (depending on which book }~O1t read). If anything, babies can be confused by flow, not the nipple itself. Pick a type and if your baby takes to it, don’t keep switching nipples. it ‘s enough for her to adapt to a bottle; she doesn’t need you to experment with nipples, too—unless she starts choking, sputtering or gagging. If so, buy the slow—release type of nipple, which is specially designed to respond to her suckling actions, as opposed to the standard types, which drip into her mouth even when she stops sucking.

Start with the first bottle of your baby’s day, when she’s hungriest. I don’t agree with people who suggest starting when your baby isn’t very hungry. What’s her incentive to accept the bottle if not hunger? Expect to he anxious yourself, and expect that your baby is going to be resistant and ill at ease, too.

Never force the bottle. Look at it from the baby’s point of view. Imagine what it is like after several months of sucking on warm, human flesh to taste a Cold rubber nipple for the first time. To make it more enticing (or at least more like your body temperature), run warm water over it. Push it gently into the mouth and jiggle it on his bottom lip, which stimulates the sucking reflex. If he doesn’t take it within five minutes, stop, or you’ll give him an aversion to it. Wait an hour and try again.

Try every hour the first day Be persistent. Any mum who says she’s been at it for 12 weeks, or even 4 weeks, is not really keeping at it. More likely, she tries for a day or two—or even a few minutes——and then forgets about it. ‘Then she starts feeling tied down or she’s worried about leaving her baby with a sitter. So she tries again. if she doesn’t commit to staving with it every day, it’s less likely to work.

Let Dad or Grandma, a friend or a nanny give it a try, but only when you’re first introducing the bottle. Some babies take bottles from others and absolutely refuse it from their mums. it’s a good way to get your baby started, but its not something you want to foster. The idea of giving a bottle is to have the flexibility. Let’s say you’re out with your baby and you’d rather not breastfeed. You won’t want to have to call Dad or Granny in every time. Once she’s accustomed to the bottle, you give it to her, too.

Expect—and be willing to ride out—a hunger strike. If your baby refuses the bottle altogether don’t whip out your breast. I promise. your child wont starve to death, which is what all mums fear. Most babies will take at least some food after three or four hours of not getting the breast, I’ve seen babies refuse bottles all day long, holding out  ‘til mum comes home, but those are the exceptions (and they don’t starve either). If you’re persistent, the trauma of introducing a bottle is over within twenty-four hours. Some older babies, usually Grumpy types, can take as long as two OF three days.

Thereafter, always give a bottle at least once a day. A common mistake that others make is not sticking with at least a once—a—day bottle. Babies will always go back to their original feeding method. So, if a baby starts out breast-feeding and, say, his mum had to go to the hospital for a week, and he was bottle-fed during that time, he’d know how to start right in again. Though it’s less Common, if a baby starts out with a bottle and then Mum decides to breast-feed, that baby will always be comfort¬able with a bottle as well. But they won’t remember the second method you teach them unless you keep it up. I get mums all the time who tell me, “My baby used to take a bottle but seems to have forgotten how”. Of course, she has – it was a long time ago. In such cases, the mum has to start all over again, using the above method to reintroduce the bottle.


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Spotlight in the Trenches

Making the Switch


Janna, a television producer I was working with, had been leaving work every day, driving 30 miles in traffic, in order to feed her 7-month-old baby, Justin. She was at her rope’s end because now she really wanted to have the flexibility of a bottle. At my suggestion she  gave  Justin a  feed before she left for work and left a bottle of pumped milk for the nanny to do the midday feed. But Justin refused and went on a hunger strike. Every time Janna called home to see how things were going, she heard Justin crying in the background “I thought he was starving I don’t think I have suffered through a day as much as that one.” When Janna walked through the door at 4 that day, Justin was still screaming for her breast. She offered him a bottle instead and when be pitched a fit, she told him calmly, “Okay you’re not hungry now.” By 6, he was willing to take the bottle.

Janna called me afterward and said, “I’d like to breast-feed him tonight.” “You can’t,” I stressed, “unless you want another hunger strike on your hands tomorrow.’ I told her to keep up the bottles for 2 days and after 48 hours, she could resume giving him the bedtime feed.


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There’s one other piece of advice I have about taking steps to begin the weaning process: Make sure you want to introduce a bottle. In Janna’s case (see box above), for example, her fears about Justin starving were not merely about his physical well-being. She was feeling guilty for causing him to “suffer” and, I would wager, ambivalent about the whole process. Many breast-feeding mums have similar kinds of mixed feelings about giving their babies bottles.

Breast-feeding can be a very emotional experience for the mothers, especially when a mother decides she wants her life hack.



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« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2006, 07:46:22 am »
Hi
My daughter is a week shy of her first birthday, and I'm really keen on weaning her from breastfeeds as soon as I can - because I just want my boobs back.  Currently I breastfeed her three times per day (first thing in the morning, right after lunch and just before bedtime), and usually once or twice at night too (she seems genuinely hungry both times).

She has never been sleeptrained to not feed at night, nor taken to a bottle.  But she will drink a very small amount of water or rice milk (due to a family history of allergies I'm avoiding giving her cow's milk until she is 18 months) from a sippy cup.

I feel that it will be easiest to wean her from the lunchtime breastfeed first, then the morning feed, then the bedtime feed. And I guess I'm hoping she will wean herself off the night feeds because she did actually go from 3-4 night wakings per night at 8 months, to 1-2 night wakings per night from 9 months...

Today I introduced rice milk in a sippy cup during her meals (she just gets water with her snacks).

So my question is...if I go ahead and subsitute the daytime breastfeeds for milk in a sippy cup (bearing in mind she doesn't drink more than about 20mls at a time), do you reckon she will end up making up for the shortfall during the night and therefore increase her night wakings?

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« Reply #73 on: August 08, 2006, 00:31:56 am »
Hi!  I didn't read all the pages, so I hope you don't mind that I jump in!   I need help tweaking my schedule. It's great right now, my DS just turned 8 mos. But I am concerned about coming up on a year & how to transition.  I posted this on the 6-12months EASY thread & also on the solid food forum, but not sure where I would get the best feedback. 

James is just turned 8 months old this week. Here's his schedule:

7am Wake & BF
7:30am Breakfast (usually cereal mixed with fruit juice)
9am-10:30am Morning nap
10:30am BF
12pm Lunch (usually fruit & veggie, water in a sippy cup, then a few fruit puffs finger foods)
1:30pm-3pm Afternoon nap
3pm BF
4:30pm Dinner (meat & veggie, sometimes fruit too, water in a sippy cup, then fruit puffs again)
6pm Bath & PJ's
6:30pm BF
7pm Bedtime

I'm still BF 4x's /day,  I just introduced yogurt today as he is 8 mos. now.  I need help changing this routine so that he gets his BF milk with meals instead of in between, & offering more finger food snacks in between meals instead.  I think that coming up on a yr. it will be easier to substitute the BF for whole milk if it's given with meal times.  Please give me any tips.
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« Reply #74 on: August 08, 2006, 20:18:11 pm »
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I have a little anxiety over how it's going to be to go to bed without nursing for him and wondering if he'll still cuddle with me if he only has a sippy or a bottle, and a little sadness that this phase is ending. 

Lucmom - how's it going...at nighttime I felt the same way, but I made sure dd was weel fed, and not thirsty, then we would have quiet play in her room, and a book and a song, now it's a great routine for us (albeit 3 months later.)