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« Reply #90 on: September 20, 2006, 07:29:43 am »
Yes, a schedule would be useful. To agree with the PP it's possible to get @6 oz in even less than 8 minutes and remember quantities of breastmilk needed are less than formula because breastmilk has a higher fat and calorie content and is absorbed more efficiently than the body.
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« Reply #91 on: September 20, 2006, 13:56:17 pm »
I'm trying Good Start by Nestle...Please help  thanks Sherri
this is the worst tasting formula and i have tried similac, enfamil and my own breast milk.  breast milk tastes sweet like soy :-* and even my dr said baby will notice different taste.  started on similac but thought baby constipated (should've waited longer to switch/ or not switch at all >:()  anyway, good start has a repugnant taste, baby would only drink 1-2 oz.  i thought for sure it couldn't be possible that baby could taste the bad taste because surely his taste buds are underdeveloped ::) and that i was projecting my own feelings about the formula after having tasted it...well, after much wasted formula i had dh and dd taste it and my dd gagged and dh said do not give this to him, he had done a blind taste test and had tried enfamil (which i happened to have in the house, similac is the same really but didn't have any on hand) dh said give him this one and then i revealed which was which....update:  ds just chugged 5 oz.  a record amount, he loves his new milk and drinks @ room temp!!!!!


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« Reply #92 on: September 20, 2006, 14:00:36 pm »
ok let's see...i will post a schedule after i put ds down for a.m. nap now, after just taking a record 5 oz. of formula!!! thanks, ladies :-*


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« Reply #93 on: September 20, 2006, 14:33:05 pm »
ok here's our schedule:
7:30 bedtime (i nurse at this time both sides maybe 15, much of which are sleepy and probably inefficient?)
10:30 df (also bf for a good 8 or so min., usually one side because other side does not make lots of milk and ds gets frustrated and fidgety which might wake him?)
he has been waking once only (HUGE MILESTONE) @ around 3-4 o'clock in the a.m. (i bf for a good 6-8 min.)
wakes up for the day @ 7:30
i give ff@ 8:00, followed by activity and morning nap @ 9:00
usually sleeps 1 hr.
(today is the first day that he took almost entire 5 oz bottle @ morning ff so perhaps i will see how long we can go...prior to this morning and last couple days schedule has us feeding every 3 hr. max with 3-4 oz. ff)
so next feed would be bf (i alternate ff and bf during day/ 3 bottles max.)  it looks like:
nurse @ 11:00ish ( i figure 2.5 hr. after a nursing)
so...ff @ 1:30ish
nurse @ 4:30ish (if we make the 3 hrs. after a ff, we sometimes do and sometimes don't)
last ff for the day @ 6:30 (sort of a cluster feed)
top off with breast @ 7:30 for bedtime
he doesn't seem content for long after a nursing...feels like when he was a newborn and i was constantly wondering if he had enough, should i top off an hour later b4 nap just in case, etc. etc.
one thing i have realized from the bottle feeding forum is that he may need a 15 min. break in between a bottle...have been doing that in just the last few days and noticed him eagerly finishing bottles after the little rest)  that is tricky though because if you wait longer than 15 min. next thing you know you're topping him off an hour later and then your feed schedule is really off!  it is SOOO confusing to combination feed. :-[  one of my other main worries is that because i'm lopsided and he's over 12 lb.s (around 13) is that i don't really have two sides to offer and so there may not be enough?  ALSO,  he is sooo fidgety on the breast, kicking legs, pinching boob, bobbing on and off, etc.  hats off to you ladies who bf these BIG babies, i admire you all greatly :-*
i think this is everything i meant to say?  sorry, i'm positively incapable of short posts. :-[


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« Reply #94 on: September 20, 2006, 14:45:31 pm »
it's possible to get @6 oz in even less than 8 minutes and remember quantities of breastmilk needed are less than formula because breastmilk has a higher fat and calorie content and is absorbed more efficiently than the body.
this is really interesting, i always forget that...i have calculated his oz intake many times and if he was only receiving on avg. 8-9 oz of formula per day than he would have had to be getting at least 21 oz from the breast...so that would be around 5 oz each time, give or take and today i'm surprised he can take a 5 oz bottle, hee hee. (i get these calculations from the 2.5 oz per lb. which comes out to roughly 32 oz.  i am rounding down to 30) i wonder what the estimate is for exclusively bf babies (in oz) at around 4 mo. 
 he recently cut out 1-2 night time feeds believe it or not so perhaps the jump in ff has something to do with that too?   his appetite during the day could be from the new drop in night calories...just thinking out loud here...


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« Reply #95 on: September 20, 2006, 15:31:17 pm »
This is from kellymom.com and fits with what I've read elsewhere

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The research tells us that exclusively breastfed babies take in an average of 25 oz (750 mL) per day between the ages of 1 month and 6 months. Different babies take in different amounts of milk; a typical range of milk intakes is 19-30 oz per day (570-900 mL per day).


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his appetite during the day could be from the new drop in night calories...just thinking out loud here...

This sounds likely.

With regards to what you've termed 'self-weaning'. Younger babies can sometimes show a bottle preference because of the faster flow and the fact bottle-feeding is so much easier. This can mean less and less satisfaction with the boob (doesn't happen for all babies. Tracy recommended using variflow bottles or haberman feeders to try and reduce problem. This wouldn't be relevant for you if you were planning on weaning soon anyway but more for mums wanting to mixed feed long-term.)

 
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do you think 5 min. on one boob and 2-3 on the less plentiful boob is too little for a full feed?

This could be a full feed. You could also try and go back again to bigger boob and get another let down from it. What you do get will be very hindmilk rich so even a small amount would be worth it.
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« Reply #96 on: September 20, 2006, 16:00:13 pm »
Hi I'd be interested to know what people think about our situation here...

dd is 11MO, I've been bfing 4x during the day and once in the night (or on very bad nights twice) for a good long while now. She eats a wide range of food, but in no great quantities and only weighs 7875g (17lb 4oz approx)

I started cutting out our 11am feed about a week ago, which she doesn't seem to miss. The other day, worrying about her weight I gave her a sippy of formula at 11 which had disasterous effects on lunch - like she refused to even take a bite >:(

I want to carry on weaning slowly ( I think her 1st birthday present will probably be no 3pm feed :P) is it likely that the less milk she gets the more solids she'll start eating, or should I wait until she eats with more enthusiasm?

The doctor's not worried, but you can't help being a little concerned when your friend's 4 mo old weighs more than your 11 monther!

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« Reply #97 on: September 20, 2006, 16:36:41 pm »
is the 4 mo old ff?  if so, your baby is probably leaner due to yummy mummy milk :-*  not sure about the rest, my lo is not quite 4 mo. i would think the less milk intake, the more solid food intake.  i think your timeline is right, milk should be primary until 1st birthday, right? :)


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« Reply #98 on: September 20, 2006, 16:46:55 pm »
hi samuel's mum,  thank you for great advice :-*  huge variation for exclusively bf babies!!  i have been using special bottle from u.s. that has two nipples and supposedly mimics the nursing style.  the idea is baby compresses both nipples and the milk 'lets down' at a rate similar to bf, hhhmmmmmm.  however, ds gets milk immediately from bottle and may be waiting for letdown from boob, also at one point i had a fast letdown/overproduction...green poo, white nipples, all the signs...i almost wonder if he likes the control of the bottle?  he does not fidget with bottle and lately seems more content during feeds.  this morning i fed him 5oz between 7:30-8 and then (a lot for him) i figured he'd go 3 hours but i found myself nursing @ 10:22 for 5-6 min. one side and he drank hungrily so....this does not seem like a growth spurt, pretty sure he had one about two weeks ago ;D i start on little boob for the strong suck for stimulation and then big boob and after he pulls off it's been 5 or so min. i usually try to put him back on but he'll bob on/off,  i can get another letdown but he doesn't seem to want/need it.  thank you for your time


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« Reply #99 on: September 20, 2006, 16:58:11 pm »
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i have been using special bottle from u.s. that has two nipples and supposedly mimics the nursing style.  the idea is baby compresses both nipples and the milk 'lets down' at a rate similar to bf

That sounds interesting. What's it called out of interest?
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« Reply #101 on: September 21, 2006, 08:06:16 am »
lisi's mum - I think your dd may or may not up her solids intake if you cut down bf's!!  With dd1 I was bf'ing 4x per day at 10mo, and she was not eating a whole lot of solids.  So I was advised to drop to 3 bf per day, which I did, but it didn't affect her solid intake.  I think it's tricky to tell with bf'ing, as the lo may just up their intake at the other feeds, so overall be taking in the same amount of milk.

My dd2 probably is the same size as your dd, and is a great eater (well, probably not great amounts, but eats most things I give her, family food etc etc).  I wouldn't worry about introducing formula at this stage.  If you are wanting her to eat more solids, this won't help.  Sounds like you're on the right track anyway!

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« Reply #102 on: September 21, 2006, 10:56:15 am »
thanks Denise. I just am getting so nervous about this whole food thing seeing that her weight gain is way below "normal" (200g in 6 weeks) and she's such a little shrimp. It's silly I know, particularly as the doctor isn't concerned, just I come from a family of massive babys and kind of wonder what I'm doing wrong  ::)

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« Reply #103 on: September 21, 2006, 12:38:26 pm »
Anna and Caleb's mommy - thanks for the pic. Never seen those before! Intriguing! And why isn't the bottle cover able to get lost?
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« Reply #104 on: September 21, 2006, 14:19:46 pm »
no problem...the cover just attaches to the bottom of bottle, which just makes it awkward to hold, so that's not a terrific feature ::) but...other sites and i suppose the packaging itself boasts about the letdown and nipple shape, etc.