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Erratic Eating
« on: April 23, 2006, 00:45:11 am »
I first read the wonderful book 3 years ago when I had my first son - a textbook baby and on EASY from 8 weeks without a problem. Now I have a new son. He is now 5 months old and I have reread the book but really have no idea how to manage. My 5 month old, another textbook baby, bottle feeds about 4-6 oz every 4-6 hours from 6 am to 7pm. He then sleeps through the night. My problem is that in the last week or so he seems to now be eating all the time and only 2-4 oz every 2 or so hours. How do I get more formula into him during the day. I just don't think he is getting enough calories eventhough he does not wake up in the middle of the night to eat.
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Re: Erratic Eating
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2006, 01:34:51 am »
Sounds like he is still eating about the same amount just smaller amounts but more often.  Have you tracked it to see how much he is eating for the whole day, I believe at that age they should be at least getting 26oz?  Sounds like he has become a snacker.  There is something in the book about how to get them off being a snacker.  In the book there is a section on what a four hour routine looks like, that would help him not to be a snacker and help you so you don't have to feed him every 2 hours.

With my three month old she started eating only 2 to 4 oz, when she was eating 6oz before.  Found out that she needed a faster flow nipple because she was a lazy eater and got tired of eating after 15min.  That might help as well.
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Re: Erratic Eating
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2006, 09:45:29 am »
Devorah welcome to TBW boards  ;D

My 5 month old, another textbook baby, bottle feeds about 4-6 oz every 4-6 hours from 6 am to 7pm. He then sleeps through the night.

My problem is that in the last week or so he seems to now be eating all the time and only 2-4 oz every 2 or so hours. How do I get more formula into him during the day. I just don't think he is getting enough calories even though he does not wake up in the middle of the night to eat.

Did anything happen last week for this snacking to start? 
What size teat do you use?
Do you think it is a growth spurt? Has his oz increased?
Have you tried giving him a 5 - 10 min rest then trying to feed again?
Is he teething an finding it sore to suck?  (see https://babywhispererforums.com/index.php?topic=58691.new#new)

I think you main objective to to get him back to 4hr feeding, you say he feeds between 4 - 6 hours, is there any reason he doesn't feed every 4 or 4.5hrs on a routine?

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Re: Erratic Eating
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2006, 12:41:59 pm »
In the last 2 days, my LO has steadily refused to eat (each meal will consist of only 40-100ml).  He is close to being 5mos old, and has never been a great eater.  Recently, he has been more easily distracted and have had to muster alot of patience to try and get through a meal with him.  Nonethelss have usually managed to give him 3 "full" meals (i.e. 160 - 180ml, including the dream feed) and 2 "snack" meals (anywhere between 40 - 100ml) until these last few days.

Not sure what to make of it.  Out of desperation today, did try him on both a sippy and regular cup.  He loved playing with the sippy cup and was obviously trying to get the teat it, but found it difficult.  When I helped him drink from the regular cup, he tried bringing it to his mouth with his hands and seemed much more willing to drink his milk although most of it dribbled on him.

Could it be related to teething?  Not sure if he is or not ... he also did get a 5 in 1 combo shot at the doc's on Wed but was thinking the effects should've worn off by now given it's a Sunday.

To top it off, he woke yesterday at 3.15am and wanted to be held with either his dad or me stannding up only.  He finally fell asleep on my shoulder at 5am, and proceeded to get up at his usual hour close to 7am.  He has been able to sleep through for some time now although occassionally with his ability to roll over, i would have to go in and turn him over (and he would go right back to bed) but certainly not pick him up.  Thought he must be hungry and against my promise not to feed him at night lest he start eating more at night and less during the day, i tried giving him the bottle but he wasn't interested in food.

Any suggestions as to how to get his feeding back on track would be much appreciated. 

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Re: Erratic Eating
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2006, 12:53:13 pm »
dabdab welcome to the boards  ;D

Does your LO display any of the following symptoms;
    * restlessness, irritability and disturbed sleep patterns
    * sore, red gums
    * flushed cheeks
    * loss of appetite
    * a slight rise in temperature (but not above 39oC, which indicates a fever)
    * dribbling (which may cause a rash or sore, chapped skin on the chin)
    * a sudden desire to chew anything they can lay their hands on!
    * an urge to bite. This should not be perceived as a sign of aggression or anger, more of a means to ease the pain.
http://www.teething-babies.co.uk/easing-teething/index.html

If he is teeting he may pull off after a few oz's this is because the suction created from sucking on the bottle really hurts their little mouths. A tip would be to rub his gums with teething gel BEFORE you go to feed him, another would be to try and give him a 5 - 10min rest and start feeding again (you have already increased teat flow) and try and feed him from a sippy or open cup.  It will be a bit of a muddle but at least he will get getting milk. His is fontanel sunken? He is still producing lots of wet nappies?

Are you on a 3 or 4 hour EASY? Can you post your routine please?
To top it off, he woke yesterday at 3.15am and wanted to be held with either his dad or me standing up only.  He finally fell asleep on my shoulder at 5am, and proceeded to get up at his usual hour close to 7am.  He has been able to sleep through for some time now although occasionally with his ability to roll over, i would have to go in and turn him over (and he would go right back to bed) but certainly not pick him up.  Thought he must be hungry and against my promise not to feed him at night lest he start eating more at night and less during the day, i tried giving him the bottle but he wasn't interested in food.

What solids are you giving? Are you giving milk first? It may also be that he is getting too much food and had cut down on his milk as a result of not being hungry ??? What size teat are you using to feed him?  Have you tried giving him a 5 - 10 min break then trying to feed again?

Babies usually eat more when they are relaxed and sleepy, did he have a growth spurt at 4months?

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Re: Erratic Eating
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2006, 13:18:13 pm »
Many tks for your note!   ;)  Suspected it's related to teething as he was displaying some of the symptoms you jotted down, including dribbling, chewing, and flushed cheeks about a wk ago (although chalked that up to having slept on his dribble when he's rolled over on his tummy).  Would love to try a teething gel and see whether that makes a difference - any particular brand you can recommend?

I do regularly give him breaks in between, usually when he either starts making motions to arch his back in protest or simply puts his hands around the bottle and yanks it off himself.  Sometimes it is related to gas, and i find it easier to get him interested once he's had a proper burp.  Guess what worried me was the consistency with which he wouldn't eat on Sat going into Sunday as he normally may have a smaller here and there, but not all throughout an entire day (or in this case, nearly 2 days).  He started eating more last night (he had 180ml for his dream feed), and was more or less back to his "normal" feeding routine today ... ish ... and managed to sleep through till 6.15am!

He is on a 4hr routine somewhat modified with a shorter nap (approx 45 - 60min) in the mrng and then a longer afternoon snooze (1.45min - 2hrs).  So it's 7am wake up (although sometimes he does wake up closer to 6.30am), feed around 7.30am, nap at 9am.  Next cycle starts around 9.45am, feed at 11am then down for his nap around noon.  He's up next at 2pm-ish, feeds at 3pm, bathes at 6pm and feeds again at 6.30pm before going down at 7pm (sometimes he'll want a quick zzz around 4.15pm).  Then as he's generally been an erratic eater, will give him a dreamfeed around 10.45pm of usually 180ml.  He's generally managed in the last 4 - 6wks to sleep through the night with an occassional whimpering when he's turned over and gets his hands jammed through the cot spars or bangs his head against the headboard of the cot after managing to wriggle his way up .....

He's not yet on solids as paed recommended holding off till he's 6mos, but has been on formula exclusively since he hit his 4mo mark (large part as i needed to start travelling for my job again).  Definitely went through a growth spurt several wks back where he guzzled 180-240ml each meal for 2 days!  I am now using Avent "3" sized teat and was thinking recently of upping that to "4" because of his quick disinterest with feeding although the labels say it's supposed to be for babies older than 6mos - would be curious to know what you think?   ???  Maybe keep up with the sippy cup/regular cup drinking since he really seemed to take to it????  Not sure whether he's too young, but paed did say last wk that i could try over the next few wks (guess i upped it a bit)??

Guess I'll keep a close on the little man these next few days and see how it goes ... will try out whatever teething gel you recommend and see if that helps.  Otherwise though, luckily during the day he always appears to be happy and playful minus the odd ocassions when he gets bored with a setting, etc.  Crossing fingers that it's just a teething problem!   ;D



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Re: Erratic Eating
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2006, 19:13:12 pm »
Would love to try a teething gel and see whether that makes a difference - any particular brand you can recommend?

I am now using Avent "3" sized teat and was thinking recently of upping that to "4" because of his quick disinterest with feeding although the labels say it's supposed to be for babies older than 6mos - would be curious to know what you think?   ??? 

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I am in the UK and use ANBESOL liquid, not sure where you are  :-\

I never went be the recommended ages for teats, I tried then if it was too fast then we went back to the older one.
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Re: Erratic Eating
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2006, 05:40:43 am »
am based in singapore, but we have mothercare shops, etc where i'll look out for it - many tks for the tip!

LO had another "regular" day yesterday so much more relieved ... think there is some element of teething going on, and will just have to be alert to any further changes ....