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Baby wakes up a lot at night
« on: April 28, 2006, 03:59:54 am »
Hi everyone, 
I have a 10 month old who has never slept through the night and I don't understand.  She still has no teeth, but I'm tired of the teething excuse.  She is healthy and eats her solid food well.  She usually drinks around 17-20 oz of formula per day and won't take any more.
I am currently working on getting her to sleep on her own...again.. 
It has never made a difference to her night waking.  Since she was 5 months old she hasn't needed a bottle in the night.  But she wakes a lot (crying)....most times I can put her soother in and she goes right back to sleep. Although lately she will be awake for over an hour at a time and usually doesn't cry if I stay there with her.  Some nights she wakes 5 times, others only 1 or 2, but she has only slept through the night about 4 times since she was born!  I'm trying not to rush in when she cries out initially, and yes sometimes she goes back to sleep but other times she wakes herself up completely.
I'm exhausted much of the time due to the constant waking (and I can't get back to sleep).
She naps really well (if we don't go out) and generally does get 10-11 hours of sleep at night and 3-4 hours of nap time (usually 2 in a.m. and 1 & 1/2 in p.m.).  She rarely cries during the day.  I put her to nap as soon as she rubs her eyes.  She goes to bed between 7 and 8. If we rock her she falls asleep immediately.  If not, she may be awake crying for a while.  At one time I had her going to sleep on her own consistently for a couple of weeks, but the night wakings continued.
I could go on and on. Does anyone have any idea why she might be waking up so much?  It never seems to matter if she is well rested or overtired...it is still the same.
thanks!

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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2006, 12:17:53 pm »
shannon,
i'm going through the same thing with my 5 month old.  yesterday, the ladies here gave me some great tips and we had a great night last night, so take heart.  you might post your schedule so we can see what your lo is up to.  also read our thread from yesterday "help, i'm losing steam", it might give you some food for thought in the meantime.

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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2006, 15:22:16 pm »
I have been spending a lot of time reading threads about sleeping.
I hate that I get frustrated with my lo at night. she is a very good baby during the day, very happy, and eats so well.  Perhaps if I post my schedule someone will have an idea of how to help the night sleeping.  (I did pu/pd for the last two nights....took 1 hour the first night and 1/2 hour last night....she tired herself so much that finally she was okay with my hand on her back.

7:15   bottle 6 oz (sometimes she plays in her crib from 6:30 until 7)
8:30   breakfast (5 tbsp cereal & 2 tbsp fruit)
Activity
9:15 - 10:45 or 11:15  Nap
12:00  lunch (2-3 oz formula, 4 tbsp vegies, 2 fruit, 2 cereal)
Activity
2:00 ish (usually 3 hours after waking from 1st nap)  - 3:00 or 3:30  Nap
3:30  Bottle (6 oz if lucky)
Activity
5:30  Supper (2tbsp protein, 3 vegie, 2 fruit)
Quiet activities
7:00   bedtime routine
7:30 bottle (6 oz if lucky) and to bed

Hope this helps. It may also help to know that I always read to my lo before naps and bed and always cuddle for a few minutes and sing lullabies.  She goes down quite easily for naps (only occasionally have to go in to do pu/pd or sit beside her).  She is a gem if I take her out anywere even if she is tired.   She sleeps so well for her naps usually so I just don't understand the nighttime waking.
Am I feeding her enough?  she wasn't drinking her 2nd and 3rd bottles when I had her on 4 bottles/day, so I've sort of switched to 3 bottles and the time of her afternoon bottle varies sometimes.  She is a good weight (Almost 22 pounds).
Maybe I should just thank my lucky stars that she is a good baby and come to realize that I will never get 8 hours of straight sleep????

Thanks!

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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2006, 15:37:01 pm »
i am not sure but have you tried upping lo's intake of solids? my lo takes quite a bit more than that..and what about finger foods?

i definately think you could extend A times some. i was at about the same with my lo and reading a bit more as i started to have a few wakings - it was time to extend A time again...although the first few days were tough as she was used to going to nap at a 'certain' time and seemed very tired...a few days later she is doing very well i extended am A time to a min of 3.5 hrs and before the pm nap approx 4hrs and then bedtime (just to give you an idea) although it takes a bit of time - gradually extend it so lo doesn't become overtired.
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2006, 20:24:34 pm »
Just wanted to send you a virtual hug. We are going through EXACTLY what you described with our 5 mon old. I've gotten a lot of good advice from the ladies here. But it is exhausting! It's easy to second guess everything you are trying when it feels like nothing works.
I don't understand why my baby won't sleep through, either- it seems the reasons for nightwaking contradict each other a  lot so it leaves you in the land of WTF? Too much day sleep, too little day sleep, too much solids, not enough solids, overtired, undertired, over stimulated, not stimulated enough!
Hang in there!
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2006, 20:26:46 pm »
elphyrfire - i take it things are not going well then?? :(
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2006, 20:53:36 pm »
Teezee/Tawnya,
Don't get me wrong, your advice did help A LOT! Getting him on 4 hour EASY cut down on the wakings and now he doesn't eat at night anymore (except for a DF)!  I'm just getting greedy again. I don't want ANY nightwakings at all- not even the ones where you need to pat/shush him! I have no idea why he's waking up- he has no good reason - it's not to eat and it's not to play and it's not pain. He just lay there and whimpers and if I don't attend to it it turns into screaming and him being wideawake! He is still swaddled and so sometimes he comes out of his wrap. So I just go in an pat him or flip him onto his other side or give him his paci or rewrap him. Oh we have tried leaving him unwrapped but he wakes every 20 minutes. I really need to catch up on some sleep before I battle that monster!
I think he doesn't know how to soothe himself to sleep yet and I'm really not sure what to do about it.
I am grateful that W2S and the 4 hour EASY appear to have cut out the habitual wakings however, I want to cut it all out! I'm still tweaking his naps. I'm not sure if they have any effect on the nightwakings at all.  Our schedule is pretty much Tracey's out of the book.
Thanks for checking up on me!
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2006, 02:01:16 am »
Thank you for all your replies. At least I'm not the only one who is having a hard time.

I will try giving my lo more solids as I know she would take more.  (I wish I didn't have family members who think that what I'm giving now seems like a lot), and yes I have started some finger foods, but she plays more than she eats and still gags a little but we're movin up.
She actually drank almost 22 oz of formula today which is not like her....we'll see how she sleeps tonight.  It only took 15 minutes tonight to get her to sleep on her own.

Teezee, in response to your suggestion re: increasing activity time.  Currenly my lo is usually only awake 2 hours before her first nap.  So I guess even if she rubs her eyes, I should gradually keep her awake longer until she gets to 3 and 1/2 hours.  I think I could do that but how long do I let her nap?  She will easily sleep two hours in am.  Should I shorten that?  Maybe if I shorten her naps just a little she will sleep more than 10 hours at night?
What do most parents do for a 10 month old.  My lo usually sleeps 10 or 10.5 hours at night and 3.5 or 4 hours in the day.
Should I change this to 11 or 12 at night and 2 or 3 during the day if possible?  But of course there are some days she won't nap at all in the afternoon (which really makes no difference to her night wakings, ie. better or worse). We sometimes go out after her lunch and then  I make sure to get back in time for her nap and then most times she won't go down, it's like she's too wired.

Anyway, so many questions.....but just one other thing...How late is too late for our babies to take their second nap? ie. when might it interfere with nighttime sleep. 
thanks again everyone. It's great to get some ideas!
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2006, 04:59:38 am »
yes, move up slowly every few days and when you find what 'works' for your lo then that is probably long enough but def think it should be at least in the 3+ hr range at this age.

yes, i would also limit naps some and it will help lo sleep longer stretches at night. i would limit your lo to approx 2-2.25hrs of naps/day although i would recommend doing that slowly also - not as slowly as the A time - but not all at once either. i usually just open her door and make some extra noise on the same floor and within a few minutes she is usually up - not always happy about it - i wouldn't be too happy if i was woken up either ;) but nonetheless - it works and is for the greater good of mommy's sanity :) :) ...and everyone's sleep!

imo i think that lo is overtired on the days she won't/doesn't nap in the pm is b/c she is probably rested enough from a long morning sleep (shortest nap of the day 'should' be in the am) and then b/c she hasn't napped is overtired and therefore has wakigns b/c of that rather than the other..my lo was getting a 45 min nap and about hr and 15min nap/day i started getting wakings and i started tweaking a bit - she has now been on one nap for the last few days ( i DO NOT recommend this for your lo as of yet as she isn't used to staying up those lengthy amounts of times at this point) and doing very well on it - goes to show how different all lo's are!

and yes. likely lo is wired after going out - your lo sounds spirited like my dd!! :)  have you tried doing an extra long wind down and cuddle on those days?? helps alot with my dd.

i never let my lo sleep any later than 5:30 since she was younger. even now - if she needs a catnap of sorts b/c the one nap isn't getting her through to her bedtime and it's still too early to put her down for the night, i would rather have her reenergize with a 20min nap than let her sleep too late and have it throw off bedtime. again, all lo's are soo different - kind of trial and error for each lo kwim?!
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2006, 05:49:36 am »
Shannon--
My son is 9 mos. (well, 2 days away), but he is on a pretty consistent schedule and generally sleeps through the night.  I thought I might post it for you (maybe it could help?):
6 am--6 oz bottle and back to sleep
8 am--wake up
8:30--solids
10:30--4 oz bottle
11:15--nap
12:15/12:30--wake
1:00pm--solids
3:00--4 oz bottle
3:30--nap
4:30/5:00--wake
5:30--solids
7:30--7 oz bottle, bath cuddle
8:00--bed
I don't measure the solids I give--I just feed him until he seems full/uninterested.  I split the midday bottle up so to extend the "A" times.  He always perks up after he eats something.  I know I just luck out with the going back to sleep in the am--sometimes he's up around 7/7:30, but I still stay consistent with his nap times (maybe only extending them 15 minutes if he wakes up early). 
Anyway, I hope you have some luck.  Let us know how you're doing!
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2006, 21:05:28 pm »
Thanks again for the replies.  It is very helpful.
I shortened my daughter's naps yesterday and extended activity times.  I don't think it will take her long to get used to this, and I don't think she minded.  She is definately spirited and wants to know whats going on all the time.  She still woke up last night (only once) but she was awake for an hour.  I'm so upset with myself because I get so frustrated.  After 45 minutes of trying to get her to sleep again (in her crib) I decided to try a bottle because she was wailing.  She drank the whole bottle and then I put her in the crib and she went right to sleep.  I don't usually feed her in the night....but maybe that is why she is waking so much??
I'm worried about her intake of formula ( I guess I should post on the eating forum).....but yesterday she would not take more than 16 oz in total (waste a lot of formula).  I've tried 3 bottles a day or 4 but it doesn't seem to matter. 

I'm sort of learning more about myself.  I guess I'm not very patient.  I don't know why I expect my daughter to go to sleep as soon as she hits the crib.  So today I didn't worry about the exact time that she napped....I just started the routine 40 minutes before I wanted her to be asleep.  20 minutes of stories and cuddling and then I set her in the crib.  She played as happy as can be, babbled, stood up a lot (and I had to go in and rescue her), but what do you know, she did go to sleep on her own. It took 20-25 minutes for both naps which means she fell asleep exactly after being awake for 3 hours.   I'm so paitent during the day but at night I panic.  I get so frustrated because she's almost asleep in my arms and then wakes right up when I put her down. 

Tonight I will try exactly what I did for her nap.  If I want her to sleep at 7:30 then I will take her to her room at 6:45, read, bottle, cuddle and then into crib by 7:10.
Previously I was setting her in her crib at 7:30 and then panicking when she was still awake by 8 or 8:30.

good idea about the extra long wind down when we go out.  The usual scenerio is this....We go out, and on the way home she falls asleep for 10 minutes so I figure she is really tired.  So we go in the house and I try to just put her in the crib. I figured, she was asleep, no point in reading and waking her completely. (plus by then it may be a little past her nap time).  But now I think I understand that with these spirited babies, it takes a little more than that.

So thanks again.  Here's hoping for a good night.  i have to go and wake her from her nap now (1 hour 15 min).
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2006, 03:17:57 am »
could it be the nine month growth spurt appearing a little bit late??..or could lo have an upset belly from anything? i do know for a long time..too long i made the mistake of thinking dd was hungry at night b/c she would drain both breasts - but in reality her belly was upset and it was probably soothing ot put something in it and also to suck. may be something you want to think about.

just another thought - my lo is spirited also and i know that right before bed reading her books is too stimulating - maybe could this be posing a problem??

you said that she falls asleep in your arms and then wakes when you put her down? is this during the night wakings? middle of the night? first going to sleep at night? regardless this is def a habit you want to break as lo expects you to be there when she wakes. at all costs durnig the night try soothing her in the crib first! then you may need to do pu/pd for a few nights to teach her to fall back asleep on her own.

honey - don't be hard on yourself. we mothers (although others expect us not to be) are only human. i don't think that there is a mother out there that hasn't gotten frusterated with their lo's when having these kinds of ongoing wakings. we need our sleep too! i don't think ANYONE being woken this way in the middle of the night is at their best - so give yourself a pat on the back that at least you are trying and doing the best you know how to do!!..you are gathering information to try and help the situation and supporting lo the best you know how in the meantime - you are being a wonderful mom!!!

hope everything went well tonight..fingers crossed!!
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2006, 02:00:43 am »
teezee,
I just want to clarify (I didn't explain myself very well).  I don't let my daughter fall asleep in my arms (anymore). When I said "she's almost asleep in my arms" what I meant was.....She finishes her bottle and occasionally closes her eyes before finishing. Then I put her in the crib and she is suddenly WIDE awake.  There have also been times when her dad is reading to her and she falls asleep before I get the bottle to him. (This never happens when I'm reading). It never really occured to me that the books could be stimulating.  Lately when we do story time she is apparently tired and is very calm in my lap and listens to the stories (sucking her paci). Then I give her the bottle (tonight she would only take 3 oz) and cuddle for a minute, then put her in the crib and say goodnight.  Immediately she usually starts rolling around, sitting up, standing up and thinking its a game and she is wide awake. If I stay in the room she giggles and smiles at me and if I lay her down and leave the room, she is immediately back up again, at first happy, then she gets stranded and cries. I only go in if she is really crying.
I never know when to stay in the room and when to leave again. She usually stops crying but starts playing again. So I get frustrated and leave and it starts over.  Then when she gets really upset I try to get her to sleep with a hand on her side.  But she kicks and squirms so I get frustrated and leave again.  Finally tonight she cried really hard and I did PU/PD about 10 times and she calmed. Layed on her back and stared at me for 5 minutes and went to sleep.  This whole process was really only 40 minutes but it always feels like forever.

I just don't know what to do anymore. I'm ready to give up and go back to rocking (don't worry I won't). In the past the baby whisperer methods did work (shshsh pat eventually worked). But then we went back to rocking when she was sick and when we were on vacation (didn't want to wake our relatives). 

We've been doing this for a week.  She goes down for naps pretty good.

I'm not sure if she could have a tummy ache.  If this is the case, then she's had one her whole life.  Nothing has really changed....I mean she has always woken up numerous times at night. But from about 5 months (once she tookt he paci) to 9 months it was usually easy to get her back to sleep.  Maybe thats just because she couldn't sit up or stand up.  I did start giving her yogurt the other day so maybe this could be bothering her but as I mentioned, the recent wake ups are no different than they have always been.  I didn't give her any yogurt today though just in case.
I think I'll post a question under the E as I'm getting worried about my lo and her decreased intake of furmula.
I tried increasing her solid food for two days as we talked about but now she seems to be refusing to eat anymore before we get to the fruit. (she has never done this before with solids).

Well, thanks again.  I'm sure these exact topics are posted on here somewhere....I just don't have the time to read them all right now.
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2006, 03:22:14 am »
ok well when lo falls asleep while eating instead of putting her down straight to the crib - walk around and talk to her a bit to get her awake BEFORE laying in the crib kwim?

i think that you could stand to up A time - to 3.5 hrs at least at this point..maybe longer in the afternoon. it is something to play with and adjust slowly here and there and see if it helps the situation at all. it seems that she is not all that tired going into her crib as she seems to want to play - and falling asleep during eating could just be that she is that relaxed.

it sounds like you did a great job tonight with pu/pd!! good for you! be consistant and keep with this and it will get better...at least you got it done in 40 minutes for me it took over two hrs..felt like 2 days!! :o

my lo is really giving me a hard timea about eating baby food as well...don't feel bad...how about finger foods? does she take to those well? my dd will only have about 3-5 bites of purree before refusing..it's very frusterating but i am learning to feed her what she likes and it makes for a much nicer day...cut up fruit, veggies, meat bits, and grilled cheese...and the all safe cheerios - NEVER turns a nose at those!

i do know milk/formula intake goes down more and more but can't be sure of the exact amounts lo should be getting so do make a post in the E forum and they will be able to help you.

wishing you a wonderful sleep tonight!! :-*
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2006, 15:47:06 pm »
Thanks again, I hear what you are saying.  Make sure she is awake, ie don't put her in the crib drowsy. I'll try that. 
It seems though that there aren't enough hours in the day to have A at 3.5 hours.
Unless I do it this way:  morning A = 3 hours,   Afternoon A = 3 hours, Before bed A = 3.5 hours.
This is if she naps 1 hour in am and 1.5 in p.m.  But I will try it out and maybe I'll have to make her pm nap one hour too.

I do think I had been letting her nap too long.  It was just such a miracle when she started to nap in her crib and not wake up for two hours!  Plus I fully believe that the reason she cried so much for the first 4-5 months of her life is because she wasn't sleeping enough. I always thought she was hungry and often fed her every two hours (and then i discovered baby whisperer).  I looked back in my journal and  found that at 2-3 months she was barely getting 11 hours of sleep and that was just cat naps here and there.  The minute she started sleeping for long naps, the happier she got and now she is almost an angel baby during the day .... But  Now I've got her sleeping too much in the day!  Everyone probably thinks she is such an angel baby at night too!  NOT!  Last night she woke up 5 times (I didn't have to stay with her though).  I stress so much about my sleep that now I've had insomnia for months!  (thank goodness for sleeping pills from the doc) but that's a whole other story!

As for the solids teezee, my lo really doesn't seem to want to put them in her mouth....just play (fruit pieces, pasta, etc).  She might suck on it for a second but she barely gets any into her tummy.  She is so happy to have them and it keeps her quite content.  She will eat arowroot cookies and cherrios but takes a while.

Anyway, I will see how tonight goes.
Thanks so much for the support!


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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2006, 16:39:30 pm »
putting lo down drowsy is one thing - asleep is another. slowly work your way up to a little more awake every few days...and eventually you will get there :)

what about 45 min in the am and longer in the pm (naps)? you could probably go A in the am 3-3.25hrs, in the pm 3.25-3.75 (before nap), and then whatever til bedtime. slowly work towards something like that. the shorter am in nap is b.c lo's should be rested from getting good rest in the night and they don't 'need' as much rest first thing in the day kwim?

you have come a long way since you found bw - congrats on that! and i know how hard it is to change things once you worked so hard to get there...but as lo's grow their needs change - and often it is harder for us parents to go with the flow and let go of the routine's than it is for the lo's.

just keep letting lo practice with the solids! she will get it when she is ready..if you have concerns you can check out the feeding solids board.  i wish my lo would still take her puree - but she will only eat a few bites before dismissing it  :-\  :-\  she wants to feed herself...determined and independant as she is...:)
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2006, 16:47:02 pm »
hey teezee!
Sorry to butt in here but can I ask a few things?? Thomas now has a good nap am but still very short pm. Do u think I should extend A times further?? He's awake 2.5hrs before am nap then usually up to 3hrs before pm nap then less than 2 hrs before bed if he has a catnap (which he needs coz of short pm nap) He definately seems tired when goes to bed at night!!


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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2006, 17:19:35 pm »
you may want to try and eliminate that catnap at this point?! and instead opt for the earlier bedtime if lo isn't able to make it for the first little while. i do think that with the catnap gone the pm nap would improve and sort itself out.
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2006, 18:10:31 pm »
excellent! Will do! So if he only sleeps 45mins I just go with an earlier bedtime?? Thanx again! ;D

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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2006, 18:44:38 pm »
This is all excellent advice. I certainly would not have thought that making the naps shorter would help. But it all makes sense now.  It's a cycle though, the more she doesn't sleep at night, the more she needs in the day. But if I just limit the day time naps hopefully it will fix the night time.  I guess it will just take some time so I shouldn't expect a miracle overnight.

45 minutes seems like such a short time.....but it does make sense when I think about it.  I guess I always thought that my lo was crying because she was overtired (this definatly was the case when she was younger) but maybe now she is not and I just assume that.  She seems to rub her eyes a lot in the evening from about 6:00 on. Even if she slept a lot in the day. But I can relate....sometimes if I sleep too much then I feel tired.  (not that it has happened in a LONG time).

I remember when I cut out her catnap. I thought she would be so tired. But it was easy and she did fine and it helped her sleep for a little while.
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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2006, 21:34:43 pm »
I'm getting so frustrated.  I tried to extend my lo's A time today. She had a one hour morning nap (until  11:45) then at about 2:00 I could tell she was tired (rubbing eyes a little etc). But I wanted to keep her activity time a little longer. I gave her a bottle at 2:10 and some lullabies and put her in the crib at 2:30 (knowing that it may take her a while to get to sleep).
maybe there are others out there who go through this....
She played in her crib for about 20 minutes happily, then she started standing up, getting stranded, and I would go in and lay her down. She would giggle or start to play again. The went on for another hour, when she cried for help I went in. I tried to stay with a firm hand on her side but she would kick and scream.  It then escalated and she started wailing by 4:00. She was so tired. I did PU/PD and every time I picked her up her eyes would roll back in her head (I immediately put her down of course).  She screamed even more when I put her down. I did this for 15 minutes. She was so upset. Finally, I sat in a chair beside her and let her cry with my hand on her tummy. She finally fell asleep exhausted at 4:20 but now I don't know how long I should let her nap or if I should have just taken her out of her crib and forgotten about her nap.

I know I'm trying to extend A time gradually, but isn't it also important to observe the sleep window? I feel like I've been passing that window in the afternoon and that she gets tired quickly because I shortened her a.m nap.
I find it so difficult to talk calmy to my lo about "just going to sleep" when I am so frustrated (and by this time I'm crying too - which I don't want her to see).  This only happens when I don't sleep at night (last night I had 3 hours because I couldn't sleep between her wakings).
and no, I'm not depressed....just sleep deprived.
I hope I'm not the only one.
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2006, 23:30:26 pm »
HI
I don't know if this helps at all.....it's also sort of a question...
I have noticed that after offering my 7 month old at the time meats,(he is now 8 months)  he would often wake up crying with cramps,etc usually for at least one hour.  I narrowed in on it, took the meat away and he still woke a few times, but mostly self soothed, or needed me to go in and pat him a few times.  I wasn't sure if it was coincidence or not, but I tried meat again yesterday for lunch figuring if it did cause gas it woul dbe gone by the night time, but once again he awoke crying and was up for 1.5 hours.......

Has anyone heard of allergy to meat or protein?? 
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2006, 02:24:44 am »
Thanks.
Tonight I was really considering that my daughter might be in pain because she just wouldn't settle down.  She was banging her feet on her mattress and squirming so much... i couldn't settle her. Eventually she tired herself out.  I told my husband there must be something wrong with her because she is getting more upset these last few nights. But I don't know how we are supposed to know what is wrong.  There have been many nights when she squirms and has a lot of gas.  I just don't know what to do for her other than give her oval.   I've been giving her pureed meat since 8/9 months and I didn't think there was a problem.  But perhaps now that she gets a little more....maybe it is bothering her.  I will try eliminating the meat just tomorrow...thanks for the advice.  Actually I will watch more closely now. Maybe her tummy hurts if I give her the real chicken with broth vs the "vegies and chicken" (which really doesn't have a lot of protein).
But she did the same for her afternoon nap today and didn't have any meat for lunch.

She usually naps well for morning, 50 % of the time for afternoon, and needs lots of help at night. The only difference I can find is that she doesn't have a bottle right before her morning nap.  She had one today before afternoon nap and if you read my post...it wasn't good.
And...r, my daugther has always been fussy with mid day bottles. and tonight again only drank 3 oz before bed.
So maybe there is something bothering her tummy.
I remember all the way up until I stopped breastfeeding I thought that my breastmilk bothered her because I couldn't figure any other reason for her behavior. But even then she never just nursed. A lot of coming off, squirming, fussing etc.  okay now I'm getting off topic.
I'll take allergies into consideration. I'm just not sure how to tell when there are no outward signs.

thanks again,
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« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2006, 15:37:23 pm »
why did you give a bottle to extend A time? i wouldn't have necessarily chose this - if you want to give some water that would prob be better, and maybe read to lo or just talk quietly. it does sound like lo got overtired and maybe in the afternoon you need to extend by even shorter periods and be sure to keep the A tiime very low key before this nap. reading your above post maybe try giving oval/gripe before feedings for a few days just to be a bit proactive and see if that helps at all. i do know from experience that a baby in pain is not one that is easily comforted or easy to get to sleep/stay asleep. could your lo have even a mild case of reflux?

nathan_smom - my lo has the same problem to this day with any baby cereal - everything else is fine - but baby cereal gasses her up and gets her constipated..oh and i bf and when i have ANY caffeine she also is up all hrs of the night with gas...
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2006, 15:51:08 pm »
Well, i didnt give any meat yesterday and my LO was up again last night for 2 HOURS....so maybe that theory is out the window???? I just don't know!!
Shannon..I feel your pain!!!
I am also BF and don't drink any caffine at all, but am constanlty thinking about what  I eat/ate to see of there is any correlation to how Nathan acts and sleeps (or doesn't sleep!)
I went away last weekend and DS was an absolute angel...I come home and now I get the nightwakings again...dont get it.

AND to top it all of....he totally protested his AM nap today...so here we are.. me typing away and him in his exersaucer squealing with delight....as long as I am in the room next to him....its must feel good to be the king!!!
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2006, 16:01:10 pm »
teezee, I didn't actually give the 2:00 bottle to extend A time, although that is what it sounded like.  I was planning on giving her a bottle at around that time anyway because I have combined her 2nd and 3rd bottle and I'm still tyring to figure out the right time for that bottle. I'm afraid if I give it too soon after lunch she won't take it. But I don't want to wait until after her nap either.  Maybe I should give lunch at 11:30 and then bottle at 1:30?

In the past I wondered about reflux.  She doesn't spit up or anything like that.  She gets the hiccups about 2 times a day but I don't think that could be related.  she is so happy most of the day and GENERALLY naps well.  This morning when we got her out of bed she had had a fairly solid poop and then later in the morning had a softer one.  Perhaps her tummy was sore last night and yesterday and she needed to poop.  It took an hour to get her to sleep last night with a lot of crying and she woke up 3 times in the night (not bad) and went right back to sleep with a soother.

Anyway, I know I should gradually do the extending of the A time. But I'm still a bit confused.  What if she is rubbing her eyes after only being up for 2 hours?  I will definatly keep activities low key before bed and nap.  Although i'm not always sure what is low key for her.

Thank you sooooo much for all your help.

nathans mom,
Just got your message as I was writing.  I know what you mean about having to be beside him all the time.  This should get better.  My lo (10 months) is actually very happy to play on her own, I think it makes a huge difference once they are on the move and discovering things on their own.  When she was younger I always made sure to come and go from the room to get her used to playing on her own (even if I just left for a few seconds).  Now she is great that way!
 I also feel your pain....ie "was it something I ate".  I have to say that once I stopped bf (when lo was 5 months), it was a huge relief and it was soooooo nice not to have to worry about it.  However, I had to stop bf because I needed to go back on meds for arthritis.  I remember thinking it was caffiene too but really there was no difference when I ddin't drink it.  I could never verify any theory about food and bf.  I actually remember when I was breastfeeding...I would here my lo's tummy rumble a lot.  No more of that now.

I guess every baby is different and they are waking for different reasons.
I'll let you know how my lo sleeps tonight with no meat today.
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2006, 16:40:23 pm »
if you are eliminating somehting from lo's diet then imo it will take more than just one or two nights for it to totally be out of lo's system..maybe you want to try for a few more days and see if you will get results?? have you tried eliiminating dairy from your diet - i have no problem with that here but i have heard that is sometimes a major cause for lo's.

shannon - i wanted to say that my lo also has a fairly solids/hard poop first thing in the morning...like she held it in at night and therefore wasn't as soft as the rest of the days poops...i often wonder the same thing...

if she is rubbing her eyes just try to keep it low key..my dd is also spirited and low key one day isn't the next..the reason lo is tired at this time is b/c she is used to going to sleep at that time - she is accustomed to her routine so do what you can by extending without letting her get overtired - it may start off as a very slow process and then once she is used to the change may speed up for you - it may take up to a month to get where you want it to be - so be patient - and remember rome wasn't built in  a day :)
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2006, 17:22:13 pm »
Shannon...How long did it take for your lO to be ok with you leaving the room?  I try to do it now for just a few seconds and he immediately screams, so I "POP" back in and say its ok...sometimes I also try talking to him from the other room..ie..bathroom! :)  I dont know if this is part of our nighttime problems wither...is it part of the sep. anxiety??

Teezee...good point on the food possibly still being in his system..I am definitley not giving any meat for a while anyway.  I am on the fence about the dairy...some days I think it might be affecting him, and then other days he is completley fine...could that also take a few days to bother him??

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« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2006, 17:27:48 pm »
nathan_smom - try staying out of the room and not saying anything for a few mintues maybe lo just needs to try and settle himself. go in after a few minutes if the cries are loud and consistant.

about the dairy - i was told by my dr if i were to try eliminatiing dairy that i would have to have ALL dairy out of my system ... even very minute amts for i believe i remember almost two weeks or something like that...i was glad i figured out the caffeine before haivng to resort to that...but it may be worth it in your case if the meat isn't the culprit..
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2006, 20:51:38 pm »
nathans mom,   It seemed like a phase when my lo cried if I wasn't in the room.    I can't remember her exact age that it became a problem....but I remember it was hard to do anything other than sit right with her.  When it upset her I tried to make it fun.  Like play peek-a boo from the other room or something. But often I had to bring her from room to room.  It seemed that as soon as she was sitting well and about ready to crawl, or when it got easier for her to pick things up, open things etc, she stopped caring that I wasn't right there.  Or she was very occupied with trying to pick up a piece of fuzz.
The other thing that I did was I often left her with just dad for a while. Sometimes 10 minutes and sometimes and hour or more.  I always worried when I was breasfeeding, thinking she couldn't live without me for two hours. But I was wrong and she was fine.  She has always been fine when I'm not there.  She doesn't even look back when I leave her with dad or grandma.
But I agree, keep leaving the room and then not making a big deal out of it when he cries. The other thing I often did was give her something new that would keep her interest (like an empty water bottle) and then leave again.
Good luck. I'm sure it will get better.
oh ya I would also play fun music and I would dance around from room to room and sing (while she sat in one spot).  As long as noone else saw me acting so silly. Whenever she hears music now she moves to the beat. 

Well, my lo has been in her crib for an hour and 15 minutes and won't nap.  She's playing. If I go in to try to settle her and try to keep her still, she has a fit.  She had a poop after half hour of being in her crib so I thought her tummy was bugging her again. But she still won't sleep.  I can hear her banging on the rails, but she's not crying.  How long do I let her do that?
It's so frustrating isn't it?

oh yes, and I did stop eating dairy ( I almost forgot) when I was bf.  I stopped for long enough to feel that it may have been affecting my lo.  But I was never 100% sure, then I switched to formula.
take care.
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« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2006, 21:28:38 pm »
Shannon...my LO wouldnt nap today either (He protested but finally only slept for 1 hour)...it is VERY frustrating....but the scary thing is, that he is perfectly CONTENT and HAPPY!! I just don't know! 
Thanks for the advice on sep. anxiety....my LO loves the water bottle too!!  I also sing and dance (when no ones looking ;)) and now when he hears the music he bobs his head and neck..its so funny!! Oh what do we do with these crazy babies??!!!

Also, I am noticing Nathan is very close to crawling...he goes in circles and backwards and jolted forward a few times...I wonder if thats whats keeping him up, along with maybe new teeth????? We can guess all we want and won't know until after the fact and think...oh yeah, thats what was bothering him/her!!!LOL
As for the dairy, I dont think thats what it is because I have been eating/drinking the same for 8 months now, I dont think it would all of a sudden bother him.
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2006, 15:38:22 pm »
Just an quick update.
I decided that my lo has been in pain (tummy ache) especially at night and that's why her "getting to sleep" has been worse. So yesterday I did not give any meat at all and I will continue that for a few days.  Guess what?  She went to sleep a lot faster last night, no flailing around or anything and so she didn't seem to be in pain. It took approx 20 minutes to get her to sleep. I had a hand on her tummy.  Also she woke up only 2x (sitting up). I put her down and she went right back to sleep.  one of the best nights in a while.  Maybe just a coincidence, but I will continue with no meat for a while and see if the sleep improves even more.  I've been doing the bw sleep techniques for just over a week now. So maybe I will start to see some results.  She has always woken up a lot at night, but it seemed to get worse over the last 2 weeks even though I have been doing all the right stuff (she has been falling asleep in her crib every nap and bedtime....with help of course).  So even if she goes back to waking up 2x instead of 5x I would be happy. And if she goes back to taking 20-30 mintues to get to sleep instead of and hour or 2, I will be happy.

Maybe in the right circumstances, (no tummy aches or gas), and if I stick to it....it will get even better.
I feel terrible that I didn't realize she was in pain this week.  (The exact same thing happened when we were away for a week....I had been giving her the same kind of meat).
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« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2006, 15:48:56 pm »
it seems that you figured out what the pain is so be very happy about that. you might want to wait a month or two and try re introducing it into her diet. good luck with everything - once you have the meat out of her system with some consistancy you should see great results!
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« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2006, 16:01:34 pm »
Should I just not worry about her getting any protein then for a while?  When it comes time to re-introduce, I'll get help on the E boards.

I guess I just never thought it was food because she has always woken up lots at night.  But maybe she was JUST learning to calm herself when I introduced meats.
Anyway, now we have to get this schedule down, maybe her afternoon nap today will be better.
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« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2006, 16:10:22 pm »
is it all meat or just this meat?? there are other foods you could feed her with protein...egg yolks for ex which my dd especially loves!! you can give them every other day...anyway, you might want to check out the E board now to get some more ideas though.
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2006, 22:02:20 pm »
Shannon...I am so happy your LO slept better without the meat!!!  My LO slept better last night..Teezee maybe you were right, it did take more than a day to get the meat out of his system!  I wonder what it is about the meat that makes them have so much tummy trouble... ??? ???
Nathan was up 3x last night, but I only had to go in and put my hand on his tummy and he fell right back to sleep...man do I hate that feeling when they wake up and your are like...Uh Oh here we go again...what is my plan this time...but then they jhe ust drifted off to sleep on his own... thank goodness!!! :)
I heard that avacado has some protein in it....maybe check on that!  ALso, we have tried some hard boiled egg yolk mushed with some formula, but your LO's are a bit older, so I bet they can have it chunky!!
Yay.....the weekend is here...let's see if the LO's will sleep!!!!
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« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2006, 01:54:58 am »
just a thought on the avacado - my lo loves it but it makes her gassy so maybe start off slow with it.

next time you try to reintroduce the meat to lo try it earlier in the day so it hopefully won't affect night so much, as it is harder to digest than other foods.

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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2006, 14:40:18 pm »
Just when I thought things might improve.....
well, I actually was out with a friend last night and dad had lo asleep by 7:00.  I said I guess I have to go out every night.  but woops, spoke too soon. She was awake crying at 11:00 and did not go back to sleep until 2:00. Initially I thought she might have had a bad dream. She was okay if we picked her up.  Then DH and I took turns calming her in the crib, I'm sure we should stick with one person but I just couldn't do it anymore..  Some of the time she'd lie there still but with eyes wide open. Then she would suddenly get fussy and roll over and sometimes a toot would come out. So we decided she had a tummy ache.  Girpe water helped a little but  then she didn't want to lie down at all. Anyway, it was a long process and then she was up at 6:00.

What if we decide our lo is in pain?  Is it okay to hold them longer to soothe them?

So if it is meat causing this, it is definately still in her system. And teezee, I'm really not sure if it is all meat, I didn't think of it until these posts.  She may be okay with the "vegies and meat" since there really isn't much meat in them.    I just hope it's not something else entirely.

On a more positive note:  lo did have two good naps yesterday and could be the reason for DH having an easy time getting her to sleep at night.
Thanks to both of you for your posts!
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« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2006, 16:44:27 pm »
i would try sticking to giving gripe water before the afternoon/night feedings and see if that helps with the gas...sorry things aren't going better  :-\
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« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2006, 19:54:36 pm »
I  have been giving mylicon before bedtime and if he wakes up during the night.....seems to be working. He has been sleeping better, but now instead of waking for a long stretch of time, he seems to be waking a few times in a 2-3 hour period. 
He would be sleeping soundly, then cry out.  I would wait and count to 100 or more if he was just mumbling, but when he started to cry out, I would go in, try to shush/pat or p/u and then he would resettle and fall back to sleep.  I wonder what could be causing him to wake so frequently during that time??? ??? 
Oh well, like I said before, you fix one problem only to find another!!!! ;)  I do like this way better though, and hope this too shall pass and he will be able to sleep through......LOL
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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2006, 02:56:11 am »
Just an update....

My lo does not seem to be in pain when going to sleep at night anymore (since stopping meat) but she still seems to have gas and has been having more poops than usual. Not sure why.

As for my original post....baby wakes up a lot..............still does.
BUT she only woke 3 times last night and 4 the night before and each time went straight back to sleep.  I still went in to find her paci.
And the last two nights, she fell asleep on her own in 45 minutes with me going in and out to lay her down.  Occasionally putting a hand on her tummy to settle.

Hopefully it keeps getting better.

nathans mom, my lo seems to wake mostly during a 2 or 3 hour stretch too.  Usually she wakes once just as I'm going to sleep and then not again until around 3:00, 4:00, 5:00 sometimes.  I wish I knew why!
Maybe we could do a poll......how many times does your baby wake at night!!!!!!!

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Re: Baby wakes up a lot at night
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2006, 21:02:41 pm »
Hi Shannon
We have been having some successful nights!!! He slept through a few times, and the others he tosses and turns, puts himself back to sleep, or just needs me to go in a pat him for reassurance! ( I know I just kinxed myself!!!!) Still have not tried meat again..I am scared to!
Also, I dont know if this helps, but we just recently tried the overnight diapers.  I know when I used to go in to settle Nathan, he would  try to go back to sleep but looked uncomfortable and seemed to go back a lot easier after I changed him........so we tried a few nights of the overnight diapers my girlfriend gave me.  The 1st night he slept ALL night and I was like...this is the answer to my prayers!!!! BUT the next night he was up again!!......but only for about 40 minutes!!!

nathans mom, my lo seems to wake mostly during a 2 or 3 hour stretch too.  Usually she wakes once just as I'm going to sleep and then not again until around 3:00, 4:00, 5:00 sometimes.  I wish I knew why
Nathan also used to get up when I went to bed...now he just stirs....and he seems to get up around 3 too!!!
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