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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?
« Reply #1695 on: May 01, 2007, 23:51:20 pm »
Oh, Deborah, I need to vent.  I feel like I've worked pretty hard to get Adalyn happy and rested.  But today I had a dr appointment and had to leave her with my MIL.  She is an 80-something yr old and has a dozen kids of her own...literally.  She's always been great with all kids.  The problem is she lives with her "husband" (they've been separated forever) in the house right next door.  He comes in whenever he wants, her dog barks constantly, she has chimes right outside the bedroom window, and visitors come all the time and just walk in as if it were their house.  So  when I say 9:45 for a bedtime, she'll put her down,and then one of noise issues listed above will arise, or in today's case 4 of them.  So Adalyn woke up and she put her back down at10:30 and slept until 11.

THis totally screwed her up!  She was whiny, crying, and cranky all day.  Yawning all day...except for nap time.  Her second nap was only 40 min!  I put her down at 3 hrs A time hoping it would be enough A time but not too much to = OT.  So bed at 6...but back to the playing thing where she's so wound up she cant stop her body from twitching.  I had to hold her in the chair again in the most uncomfortable position for me.  Even when she was "asleep", her left hand kept rubbing my arm up and down, rubbing her blanket, grabbing at her blanket...etc.

It seems to be on these days when dh decides he needs to go play basketball...He is wonderful in many ways, but he is so good at skirting out of work when he wants to...when is it my turn to have a break from the hard stuff?

Anyway, that' smy day.  It just ticks me off that I finally found a good balance for her, and it's blown so easily from what I consider to be someones inconsideration for her needs.  It's n ot like this is the first time noise has been an issue at grandma's...I've considered finding someone else to take care of her when I have dr appointments.  It's like this almost every single time she goes over there.  Very frustrating!!!



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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?
« Reply #1696 on: May 02, 2007, 00:23:41 am »
Hi there, I have a question about the 2-1 nap switch (Hi Layla, how are you going???)

For the past month or so I have had problems getting Ella down for her second nap of the day.  It used to be I could put her in bed and leave and she'd just fall asleep for both her naps.  Then she started kicking up a fuss at her second nap and it became difficult to put her down some days, but ok on others.  Some days I would have to AP to get her to sleep, other days I would just sit in the room til she fell asleep, some days I could just leave.  Her morning nap hasn't changed.

Then yesterday she refused to take a pm nap at all.  She started crying loudly as soon as I put her down, and that didn't stop whether or not I was in the room.  I stayed with her and eventually she calmed down but there was no way she was going to sleep.  After trying for over an hour I just got her up and kept her up til bedtime.  She was fine and went out like a light at 7pm, but then woke up every half hour or so til 11pm, then she woke every 2 hours (overtired? teething?).  Today she cried and screamed and kicked up a fuss at her pm nap but ended up falling asleep after about 20 minutes.

I'm not sure why she's doing this, the only thing I can think of is teething, but wouldn't that effect all her sleeping, not just one nap?  I know it isn't SA for the same reason.  Anyway I know she is young, but do you think this could be her way of moving towards 1 nap a day?

Any insight is appreciated!

Thanks,
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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?
« Reply #1697 on: May 02, 2007, 00:44:56 am »
She shouldn't be read for 1 nap, but as we've found out here, it can take awhile to get there.  You may need to adjust her napping times and lengths to get a good second nap.  Many of us have shortened the first nap to 45-15 min...just depends on what works for your lo.  Right now I'm doing 45, since coming off an illness, but shortening it to 20 min, then only doing 3.25 hrs A time would give a 2hr+ second nap .

I know it's scary, but you don't have much to lose if she's skipping her second  nap all together.  I'd wait a few days and see if she keeps this up.  If she does start shortening #1 and then figure out how much A time she can handle before #2.  I had NEVER gotten a 2hr nap before, but shortening #1 got me there when I tried it.  This was around 11 mo.  It could take a while for your 10 mo to be ready for 1 nap, it's often around 14 mo.

Let us know how it goes.



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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?
« Reply #1698 on: May 02, 2007, 00:59:27 am »
Ella was a chronic 45m napper.  At 5mo she took her first long naps, then went back to 45mins with random long ones thrown in just to confuse me.  Then she slowly evolved to the short am nap/long pm nap and I figured this was the way it was going to be and I was ok with that.  Then she changed again about 3 weeks ago to 2-1.5hr naps a day, with a random 45min nap appearing every now and then.  It's hard keeping track of this kid!!!

So I don't really have a problem with the length of her pm naps, it's just how difficult it is getting her there!  And even if she naturally only sleeps for 45m in the am, her pm naps don't go over 1.5hrs (I think she's done 2 or 3 2hr naps in her life!) so the idea of shortening her am nap scares me (funny, I was happy to do this a few weeks ago before she started having 2 long naps a day!).

I guess I will see what happens over the next few days, maybe I'll move the nap time a little to see if that makes a difference.  I'm really not ready for her to drop to one nap a day!!

Thanks!
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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?
« Reply #1699 on: May 02, 2007, 01:21:39 am »
It does make sense.  But she is definitely tired when I put her down for her pm nap (yawning, rubbing eyes).

I guess the reason why I am resisting waking her is because since Ella was born all I've heard is how short naps are wrong and bad and evil...then I found a post from Layla who said her LO did the 45m/1.5hr naps, which was exactly what Ella was doing at the time and it made me feel so much better about things!  Then when she lengthened her naps again I thought everything had finally fallen into place.  Now I'm reading that she was better off before???  :D

It's just all so confusing.  I guess I'll try to wake her early one day and see if it makes a difference - it's the only way I'll know for sure!

Thanks,
Michelle.


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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?
« Reply #1700 on: May 02, 2007, 05:26:19 am »
Layla Catherine's was 3hrs45mins before she moved to 1 nap she would do:

7am - Wake
10am - Nap 1.5hrs
2.30pm - Nap 45mins
7.30pm - Bedtime

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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?
« Reply #1701 on: May 02, 2007, 10:33:20 am »
Thanks everyone, I'll try waking Ella early today  :'(  :'(  :'( and see what happens.  Did I mention how happy I am that she has two long naps during the day????!!!!

Layla, I've noticed Ella only sleeps for 11 or 11.5 hours at night now, not 12hrs like she used to.  But I can leave her in bed for a while and she plays quite happily on her own so I can get a bit more sleep!


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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?
« Reply #1702 on: May 02, 2007, 13:20:15 pm »
ok, I am at a loss!  Ds continues to do really well with his 45 am nap and almost 2hr pm nap.  OUr issue is EARLY w/u!  He will never be able to drop his am nap if he continues with a 5:30am w/u!  His bedtime is 7pm (which is getting tougher as he doesn't seem that tired at bedtime these days.  If he were to sleep t'ill 6:30-7am the transition would be significantly easier (but they never make it easy do they?!)  I have always had a 6:30 start of the day but that has been difficult to follow as he is not quiet in the crib anymore....he is very active.  and by 6am he is getting loud and frustrated and ready to get out!  So i go in and sit with him but that isn't working much either...he is ready to be on the move!  So we do not have OT issues but more like "I've had enough so let's go mum...but mum hasn't had enough at 5:30am!" 
Any ideas as to how to increase nightime sleep?!  I wasn't sure if i should post this here or with early w/u?   should i be challenging him more during the day?

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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?
« Reply #1703 on: May 02, 2007, 13:50:05 pm »
when we had the early wake ups I always trimmed a bit off Sophie's pm nap so she didn't have more than 2hrs total day sleep- this got her back on track after a few days.
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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?
« Reply #1704 on: May 02, 2007, 14:37:33 pm »
just to chime in here...

i agree with kathrynk....oliverrowland...trim the pm nap back by 15minutes perhaps.  then put to bed early if you need to for the first few days.


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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?
« Reply #1705 on: May 02, 2007, 15:26:01 pm »
Also have you tried W2S- if it's the same time every day it might have become a bit of a habit. I found this was the case with Sophie. Couldn't face setting the alarm for 4.30 so I tried Kathryn's version of W2S for the lazy mummy- set the heating to come on at 4.30am- the radiators always clonk and bang at first- made Sophie stir and helped stop those 5.30 wakings!  ;D
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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?
« Reply #1706 on: May 02, 2007, 15:45:22 pm »
Hi everyone!

OliverRowland----I agree with Kathryn, shorten the pm nap so that its more like 1.5hrs, if he is still waking early after that, then we can go from there. I also have a early riser and ALWAYS have. we struggle to get 11hrs at night, its usually more like 10.5, so I know exactly what you mean about this whole process of trying to get down to 1 nap.

Babyre---I'm sorry to hear about your day. It can be very frustrating when other people take care of our LO. I also have to leave my son in the care of my mother and mother-in-law, aswell as my DH. They all babysit at our house though. would that be an option? As frustrating as it is, you WILL get back on track.

Layla- we usually had like 4hrs from end of nap til bed on a decent 1.5hr nap.

suggestions for my early riser?

Mon night was awake playing from 5-6am and then slept til 7:30
so Tuesday nap was 12:35-2:50.
bed at 7:20 and asleep by 7:40 or so
woke at 6am!
so i now I'm back to some combination of 2 naps today, just not sure what combo!
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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?
« Reply #1707 on: May 02, 2007, 18:04:10 pm »
deb do you think that if you really stretched him, and insisted on one nap, no matter what, his body clock would settle down a bit and get used to the new routine, and then start to stretch his nights? I know many posters say once they are established on 1 nap the nights usually lengthen to nearer 12 hours. Ours have on some days, although we are now teething really badly (I finally understand what Becky has been going through  :P) so we're a bit all over the shop this week too (back to 2 nap after 2 weeks on 1 nap)

So for example if he wakes at 6, keep him going till 11.15, have an early lunch or big snack, in bed for 11.45ish, sleep till just after 2pm and then bed at 7.30. The morning is a big stretch but I find running errands out in the stroller keeps her going ok with no o/t problems.
Another thought- See on your day today you just posted, he's only had 4.5hrs from nap till bedtime- maybe that's the culprit now. When Sophie was on 2 naps if she napped too near to bedtime she was always waking early- maybe it's as simple as that and he needs more A time now before bed? Maybe if you took the plunge and just went for it with the 1 nap rather than keep switching he would sleep better once he got used to it? WHat do you think?
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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?
« Reply #1708 on: May 02, 2007, 19:09:00 pm »
Hi ladies,

So today I tried giving Ella a later 2nd nap time (instead of waking her early from her first nap)...didn't work.  Ended up nursing her to sleep to stop the crying - bad mum!  So I give up, tomorrow I will wake her early from her first nap... :-\

Do you think giving her a consistently shorter first nap will affect her morning wake-up time?  She's been having some early wakings lately (nothing major, 6am ish).


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Re: anyone want to chat about the 2-1 nap switch?
« Reply #1709 on: May 02, 2007, 19:14:25 pm »
ditto to what Stacy said- when you are shortening that first nap if you can make it a little later too (like 10 mins to start with) lo is more likely to sleep later
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